4S ranch–Pienza Jan release

[NewtoSanDiego]

You have still failed to convince me.

I’m in the business of assessing risk and I view living in a High wildfire risk area as inherently risky. No way around it.

You can certainly improve your odds of surviving by having a well constructed fire resistant houses, a sprinkler system, a well defended perimeter area, perhaps some foam fire retardant and a good family emergency plan.

During recent wildfires, how many of your neighbors stayed in their houses and stuck it out during the mandatory evacuations?

I bet not too many. If I saw a wall of flames approaching I too would run like mad, screw the Shelter-in-place!

To improve the fire safety of 4S, the road access and exits have to be improved, and widened.

FACT: DURING THE LAST WILDFIRE, THE EXITS OUT OF 4S AND ALL SURROUNDING ROADS WERE CLOGGED WITH FLEEING FAMILIES!!!
IF THE WILDFIRES HAD OVERTAKEN THESE EXITS WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!

[NewtoSanDiego]

You have still failed to convince me.

I’m in the business of assessing risk and I view living in a High wildfire risk area as inherently risky. No way around it.

You can certainly improve your odds of surviving by having a well constructed fire resistant houses, a sprinkler system, a well defended perimeter area, perhaps some foam fire retardant and a good family emergency plan.

During recent wildfires, how many of your neighbors stayed in their houses and stuck it out during the mandatory evacuations?

I bet not too many. If I saw a wall of flames approaching I too would run like mad, screw the Shelter-in-place!

To improve the fire safety of 4S, the road access and exits have to be improved, and widened.

FACT: DURING THE LAST WILDFIRE, THE EXITS OUT OF 4S AND ALL SURROUNDING ROADS WERE CLOGGED WITH FLEEING FAMILIES!!!
IF THE WILDFIRES HAD OVERTAKEN THESE EXITS WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!

[NewtoSanDiego]

You have still failed to convince me.

I’m in the business of assessing risk and I view living in a High wildfire risk area as inherently risky. No way around it.

You can certainly improve your odds of surviving by having a well constructed fire resistant houses, a sprinkler system, a well defended perimeter area, perhaps some foam fire retardant and a good family emergency plan.

During recent wildfires, how many of your neighbors stayed in their houses and stuck it out during the mandatory evacuations?

I bet not too many. If I saw a wall of flames approaching I too would run like mad, screw the Shelter-in-place!

To improve the fire safety of 4S, the road access and exits have to be improved, and widened.

FACT: DURING THE LAST WILDFIRE, THE EXITS OUT OF 4S AND ALL SURROUNDING ROADS WERE CLOGGED WITH FLEEING FAMILIES!!!
IF THE WILDFIRES HAD OVERTAKEN THESE EXITS WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!

[NewtoSanDiego]

You have still failed to convince me.

I’m in the business of assessing risk and I view living in a High wildfire risk area as inherently risky. No way around it.

You can certainly improve your odds of surviving by having a well constructed fire resistant houses, a sprinkler system, a well defended perimeter area, perhaps some foam fire retardant and a good family emergency plan.

During recent wildfires, how many of your neighbors stayed in their houses and stuck it out during the mandatory evacuations?

I bet not too many. If I saw a wall of flames approaching I too would run like mad, screw the Shelter-in-place!

To improve the fire safety of 4S, the road access and exits have to be improved, and widened.

FACT: DURING THE LAST WILDFIRE, THE EXITS OUT OF 4S AND ALL SURROUNDING ROADS WERE CLOGGED WITH FLEEING FAMILIES!!!
IF THE WILDFIRES HAD OVERTAKEN THESE EXITS WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!

[Aecetia]

I agree. Even though we remained during the Cedar fire evacuation, I had made preparations to evacuate my son and our pets to a safer location in the event the backfire CDF had set failed. As an old person, I figure I can make the decision to stay and fight, but I was prepared to evacuate the kid and the pets to a safer place a few miles west at a friend’s house. After witnessing the devastation of the fire’s aftermath and reviewing the death of the firefighter, I did not want to take any chances with the family. I never used to worry about brush fires until these last two fires made me a believer. One thing that we have not discussed is firebreaks whether by County work crews or by herds of goats. There is a sheep ranch on 67 in Ramona. All structures within the perimeter of fuels leveled by the sheep were spared. The ones outside the grazing area were burned. It was a real living lesson.

[Aecetia]

I agree. Even though we remained during the Cedar fire evacuation, I had made preparations to evacuate my son and our pets to a safer location in the event the backfire CDF had set failed. As an old person, I figure I can make the decision to stay and fight, but I was prepared to evacuate the kid and the pets to a safer place a few miles west at a friend’s house. After witnessing the devastation of the fire’s aftermath and reviewing the death of the firefighter, I did not want to take any chances with the family. I never used to worry about brush fires until these last two fires made me a believer. One thing that we have not discussed is firebreaks whether by County work crews or by herds of goats. There is a sheep ranch on 67 in Ramona. All structures within the perimeter of fuels leveled by the sheep were spared. The ones outside the grazing area were burned. It was a real living lesson.

[Aecetia]

I agree. Even though we remained during the Cedar fire evacuation, I had made preparations to evacuate my son and our pets to a safer location in the event the backfire CDF had set failed. As an old person, I figure I can make the decision to stay and fight, but I was prepared to evacuate the kid and the pets to a safer place a few miles west at a friend’s house. After witnessing the devastation of the fire’s aftermath and reviewing the death of the firefighter, I did not want to take any chances with the family. I never used to worry about brush fires until these last two fires made me a believer. One thing that we have not discussed is firebreaks whether by County work crews or by herds of goats. There is a sheep ranch on 67 in Ramona. All structures within the perimeter of fuels leveled by the sheep were spared. The ones outside the grazing area were burned. It was a real living lesson.

[Aecetia]

I agree. Even though we remained during the Cedar fire evacuation, I had made preparations to evacuate my son and our pets to a safer location in the event the backfire CDF had set failed. As an old person, I figure I can make the decision to stay and fight, but I was prepared to evacuate the kid and the pets to a safer place a few miles west at a friend’s house. After witnessing the devastation of the fire’s aftermath and reviewing the death of the firefighter, I did not want to take any chances with the family. I never used to worry about brush fires until these last two fires made me a believer. One thing that we have not discussed is firebreaks whether by County work crews or by herds of goats. There is a sheep ranch on 67 in Ramona. All structures within the perimeter of fuels leveled by the sheep were spared. The ones outside the grazing area were burned. It was a real living lesson.

[Aecetia]

I agree. Even though we remained during the Cedar fire evacuation, I had made preparations to evacuate my son and our pets to a safer location in the event the backfire CDF had set failed. As an old person, I figure I can make the decision to stay and fight, but I was prepared to evacuate the kid and the pets to a safer place a few miles west at a friend’s house. After witnessing the devastation of the fire’s aftermath and reviewing the death of the firefighter, I did not want to take any chances with the family. I never used to worry about brush fires until these last two fires made me a believer. One thing that we have not discussed is firebreaks whether by County work crews or by herds of goats. There is a sheep ranch on 67 in Ramona. All structures within the perimeter of fuels leveled by the sheep were spared. The ones outside the grazing area were burned. It was a real living lesson.

[4Sbuyer2002]

OK . . . here ya go. 1) I and many others did not evacutate and 2) the exits where not clogged, and 3) the main exit (Camino Del Norte to I-15) that was not clogged has just finished being widened. There are 2 other main exits to the south (Carmel Mountain Road) and to the west (Camino Del Sur). Exiting 4S (which was entirely unecessary and only done because the reverse 911 system can’t differntiate at that level) is not a problem.

Yea your right . . . IF . . . the wildfire had burned the entire area around the Camino Del Norte/I-15 interchange that would have been a disaster. Look at a map and see how many 10s of miles of suburban development the fire would have had to burn through to get to this point. Ya now . . . if a meteor the size of Texas hit San Diego tomorrow “WE WILL HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!” . . . Chicken Little strikes again. Too funny . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

OK . . . here ya go. 1) I and many others did not evacutate and 2) the exits where not clogged, and 3) the main exit (Camino Del Norte to I-15) that was not clogged has just finished being widened. There are 2 other main exits to the south (Carmel Mountain Road) and to the west (Camino Del Sur). Exiting 4S (which was entirely unecessary and only done because the reverse 911 system can’t differntiate at that level) is not a problem.

Yea your right . . . IF . . . the wildfire had burned the entire area around the Camino Del Norte/I-15 interchange that would have been a disaster. Look at a map and see how many 10s of miles of suburban development the fire would have had to burn through to get to this point. Ya now . . . if a meteor the size of Texas hit San Diego tomorrow “WE WILL HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!” . . . Chicken Little strikes again. Too funny . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

OK . . . here ya go. 1) I and many others did not evacutate and 2) the exits where not clogged, and 3) the main exit (Camino Del Norte to I-15) that was not clogged has just finished being widened. There are 2 other main exits to the south (Carmel Mountain Road) and to the west (Camino Del Sur). Exiting 4S (which was entirely unecessary and only done because the reverse 911 system can’t differntiate at that level) is not a problem.

Yea your right . . . IF . . . the wildfire had burned the entire area around the Camino Del Norte/I-15 interchange that would have been a disaster. Look at a map and see how many 10s of miles of suburban development the fire would have had to burn through to get to this point. Ya now . . . if a meteor the size of Texas hit San Diego tomorrow “WE WILL HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!” . . . Chicken Little strikes again. Too funny . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

OK . . . here ya go. 1) I and many others did not evacutate and 2) the exits where not clogged, and 3) the main exit (Camino Del Norte to I-15) that was not clogged has just finished being widened. There are 2 other main exits to the south (Carmel Mountain Road) and to the west (Camino Del Sur). Exiting 4S (which was entirely unecessary and only done because the reverse 911 system can’t differntiate at that level) is not a problem.

Yea your right . . . IF . . . the wildfire had burned the entire area around the Camino Del Norte/I-15 interchange that would have been a disaster. Look at a map and see how many 10s of miles of suburban development the fire would have had to burn through to get to this point. Ya now . . . if a meteor the size of Texas hit San Diego tomorrow “WE WILL HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!” . . . Chicken Little strikes again. Too funny . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

OK . . . here ya go. 1) I and many others did not evacutate and 2) the exits where not clogged, and 3) the main exit (Camino Del Norte to I-15) that was not clogged has just finished being widened. There are 2 other main exits to the south (Carmel Mountain Road) and to the west (Camino Del Sur). Exiting 4S (which was entirely unecessary and only done because the reverse 911 system can’t differntiate at that level) is not a problem.

Yea your right . . . IF . . . the wildfire had burned the entire area around the Camino Del Norte/I-15 interchange that would have been a disaster. Look at a map and see how many 10s of miles of suburban development the fire would have had to burn through to get to this point. Ya now . . . if a meteor the size of Texas hit San Diego tomorrow “WE WILL HAVE SEEN A MAJOR CATASTROPHE!” . . . Chicken Little strikes again. Too funny . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[Aecetia]

4SB2,

4S is a terrific community. I already own and do not want to move again for a long time. If I move, it will probably be out of California. I did not want to continue the back and forth about the fires and which fire was worse, whose community is safer, etc. You cannot blame the contributors for wanting to get more house for their money. I think one of the reasons would be the high costs for schools in your area. I am sure you get what you pay for and I am not here to detract from anyone’s home, community or their investment. I learn a lot from reading here because of the diversity of opinion and did not want to get personal about issues with you on fire safety, etc. I think the forum is most valuable when it is friendly and contains more facts and fewer argumentum ad hominem attacks. Although they probably spice up the mundane real estate issues, I am trying to be polite and fair. I think we have all read posts here that read like political attack ads.

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