[XBoxBoy]

First off, thanks Brian for sticking to the topic. (Why this thread immediately turned into a Clinton good vs Clinton bad pissing match is beyond me.)

[quote=briansd1]I’d say participate in the primaries and vote the issues, not the emotions. [/quote]

I always participate in the primaries. As a matter of fact I’m registered as a republican, not because I like the republicans (I dont) but because I had hoped that I might be able to provide a vote to move the republican’s from the far wing nut right to the center. (So far that hasn’t been working out so wel, but that’s another discussion)

But here’s my dilemma. I see this whole repub vs dem and big govt vs smaller govt debate as BS. The issue isn’t which party is in power, or whether we do things via govt or via “free” markets. The issue is how do we allocate resources in an efficient and fair manner free of corruption and fraud, From what I see, the current situation of politicians and lobbyist working together to line the pockets of special interests completely subverts this goal

So, given that I want to vote for a candidate that will actually work towards my goal of efficient allocation free of corruption, I find it pretty hard to stomach anyone who has gotten the support of either the democratic party or the republican party.

[quote=briansd1]When I pick something to eat, I always choose the items that taste the best and are the least unhealthy. Most everything that we eat is unhealthy…. But we have to eat nevertheless.[/quote]

[quote=Hobie]So it is bitter pill but I think we need to stick with the two parties for now.[/quote]

So, leaving aside Brian’s feeling that most everything we eat is unhealthy, (Dude, there’s some serious issues buried in that statement) my question to you two would be, if we just go along with the current two parties, how can we ever hope to change the system? For Hobie, if we don’t change things now, are you thinking we will sometime in the future? Why will the future be a better time?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

First off, thanks Brian for sticking to the topic. (Why this thread immediately turned into a Clinton good vs Clinton bad pissing match is beyond me.)

[quote=briansd1]I’d say participate in the primaries and vote the issues, not the emotions. [/quote]

I always participate in the primaries. As a matter of fact I’m registered as a republican, not because I like the republicans (I dont) but because I had hoped that I might be able to provide a vote to move the republican’s from the far wing nut right to the center. (So far that hasn’t been working out so wel, but that’s another discussion)

But here’s my dilemma. I see this whole repub vs dem and big govt vs smaller govt debate as BS. The issue isn’t which party is in power, or whether we do things via govt or via “free” markets. The issue is how do we allocate resources in an efficient and fair manner free of corruption and fraud, From what I see, the current situation of politicians and lobbyist working together to line the pockets of special interests completely subverts this goal

So, given that I want to vote for a candidate that will actually work towards my goal of efficient allocation free of corruption, I find it pretty hard to stomach anyone who has gotten the support of either the democratic party or the republican party.

[quote=briansd1]When I pick something to eat, I always choose the items that taste the best and are the least unhealthy. Most everything that we eat is unhealthy…. But we have to eat nevertheless.[/quote]

[quote=Hobie]So it is bitter pill but I think we need to stick with the two parties for now.[/quote]

So, leaving aside Brian’s feeling that most everything we eat is unhealthy, (Dude, there’s some serious issues buried in that statement) my question to you two would be, if we just go along with the current two parties, how can we ever hope to change the system? For Hobie, if we don’t change things now, are you thinking we will sometime in the future? Why will the future be a better time?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

First off, thanks Brian for sticking to the topic. (Why this thread immediately turned into a Clinton good vs Clinton bad pissing match is beyond me.)

[quote=briansd1]I’d say participate in the primaries and vote the issues, not the emotions. [/quote]

I always participate in the primaries. As a matter of fact I’m registered as a republican, not because I like the republicans (I dont) but because I had hoped that I might be able to provide a vote to move the republican’s from the far wing nut right to the center. (So far that hasn’t been working out so wel, but that’s another discussion)

But here’s my dilemma. I see this whole repub vs dem and big govt vs smaller govt debate as BS. The issue isn’t which party is in power, or whether we do things via govt or via “free” markets. The issue is how do we allocate resources in an efficient and fair manner free of corruption and fraud, From what I see, the current situation of politicians and lobbyist working together to line the pockets of special interests completely subverts this goal

So, given that I want to vote for a candidate that will actually work towards my goal of efficient allocation free of corruption, I find it pretty hard to stomach anyone who has gotten the support of either the democratic party or the republican party.

[quote=briansd1]When I pick something to eat, I always choose the items that taste the best and are the least unhealthy. Most everything that we eat is unhealthy…. But we have to eat nevertheless.[/quote]

[quote=Hobie]So it is bitter pill but I think we need to stick with the two parties for now.[/quote]

So, leaving aside Brian’s feeling that most everything we eat is unhealthy, (Dude, there’s some serious issues buried in that statement) my question to you two would be, if we just go along with the current two parties, how can we ever hope to change the system? For Hobie, if we don’t change things now, are you thinking we will sometime in the future? Why will the future be a better time?

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Usually I vote NO on all propostions unless they can convince me that

1. It needs to be really really really done.
2. It really can only be done by voters i.e. legislature can not/will not do it.

Thus the only proposition worthy of my YES vote this cycle is proposition 20 – the one that takes away the job of redistricting away from CA legislature.[/quote]

Enron, allow me to suggest that Prop 19 also meets your criteria. Clearly we’ve spent enough on the war on drugs to no avail, and there is no way that politicians are going to legalize marijuana.

Cheers,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Usually I vote NO on all propostions unless they can convince me that

1. It needs to be really really really done.
2. It really can only be done by voters i.e. legislature can not/will not do it.

Thus the only proposition worthy of my YES vote this cycle is proposition 20 – the one that takes away the job of redistricting away from CA legislature.[/quote]

Enron, allow me to suggest that Prop 19 also meets your criteria. Clearly we’ve spent enough on the war on drugs to no avail, and there is no way that politicians are going to legalize marijuana.

Cheers,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Usually I vote NO on all propostions unless they can convince me that

1. It needs to be really really really done.
2. It really can only be done by voters i.e. legislature can not/will not do it.

Thus the only proposition worthy of my YES vote this cycle is proposition 20 – the one that takes away the job of redistricting away from CA legislature.[/quote]

Enron, allow me to suggest that Prop 19 also meets your criteria. Clearly we’ve spent enough on the war on drugs to no avail, and there is no way that politicians are going to legalize marijuana.

Cheers,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Usually I vote NO on all propostions unless they can convince me that

1. It needs to be really really really done.
2. It really can only be done by voters i.e. legislature can not/will not do it.

Thus the only proposition worthy of my YES vote this cycle is proposition 20 – the one that takes away the job of redistricting away from CA legislature.[/quote]

Enron, allow me to suggest that Prop 19 also meets your criteria. Clearly we’ve spent enough on the war on drugs to no avail, and there is no way that politicians are going to legalize marijuana.

Cheers,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Usually I vote NO on all propostions unless they can convince me that

1. It needs to be really really really done.
2. It really can only be done by voters i.e. legislature can not/will not do it.

Thus the only proposition worthy of my YES vote this cycle is proposition 20 – the one that takes away the job of redistricting away from CA legislature.[/quote]

Enron, allow me to suggest that Prop 19 also meets your criteria. Clearly we’ve spent enough on the war on drugs to no avail, and there is no way that politicians are going to legalize marijuana.

Cheers,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

I’m pretty sure this is his website
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I’m pretty sure this is his website
http://www.homeloansheldon.com/Home

[XBoxBoy]

I’m pretty sure this is his website
http://www.homeloansheldon.com/Home

[XBoxBoy]

I’m pretty sure this is his website
http://www.homeloansheldon.com/Home

[XBoxBoy]

I’m pretty sure this is his website
http://www.homeloansheldon.com/Home

[XBoxBoy]

Recently finished “Son of Hamas”

A fascinating story of a young man whose father was one of the founders of Hamas. Tells of his teens, going to prison, being recruited by Israel as a spy, and his ultimate conversion to christianity. His take on things and his perspective is fascinating.

For fiction, I’ve been working my way through James Clavell’s books. So far I’ve finished:
Shogun
Taipan
Gaijin
Nobel House
King Rat
and now working on Whirlwind. Really enjoyed all of them.

My wife recently finished “The Help” and she loved it, but I couldn’t get into that much.

Last summer I read “Water for Elephants” and really liked that.

Also recently finished “The Drunkard’s Walk, How Randomness Rules our Lives.” Found it very interesting too.

[XBoxBoy]

Recently finished “Son of Hamas”

A fascinating story of a young man whose father was one of the founders of Hamas. Tells of his teens, going to prison, being recruited by Israel as a spy, and his ultimate conversion to christianity. His take on things and his perspective is fascinating.

For fiction, I’ve been working my way through James Clavell’s books. So far I’ve finished:
Shogun
Taipan
Gaijin
Nobel House
King Rat
and now working on Whirlwind. Really enjoyed all of them.

My wife recently finished “The Help” and she loved it, but I couldn’t get into that much.

Last summer I read “Water for Elephants” and really liked that.

Also recently finished “The Drunkard’s Walk, How Randomness Rules our Lives.” Found it very interesting too.

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