Proposition 23

[enron_by_the_sea]

Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!!

[air_ogi]

Taxes going to fund law enforcement increase cost of doing business.

Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.

Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. Improvements in vehicle MPG will more than offset additional vehicle costs. Savings though better home isolation will more than offset installation costs.

We have been though this game before. I would suggest you watch “Who Killed the Electric Car”.

[air_ogi]

Taxes going to fund law enforcement increase cost of doing business.

Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.

Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. Improvements in vehicle MPG will more than offset additional vehicle costs. Savings though better home isolation will more than offset installation costs.

We have been though this game before. I would suggest you watch “Who Killed the Electric Car”.

[air_ogi]

Taxes going to fund law enforcement increase cost of doing business.

Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.

Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. Improvements in vehicle MPG will more than offset additional vehicle costs. Savings though better home isolation will more than offset installation costs.

We have been though this game before. I would suggest you watch “Who Killed the Electric Car”.

[air_ogi]

Taxes going to fund law enforcement increase cost of doing business.

Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.

Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. Improvements in vehicle MPG will more than offset additional vehicle costs. Savings though better home isolation will more than offset installation costs.

We have been though this game before. I would suggest you watch “Who Killed the Electric Car”.

[air_ogi]

Taxes going to fund law enforcement increase cost of doing business.

Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.

Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. Improvements in vehicle MPG will more than offset additional vehicle costs. Savings though better home isolation will more than offset installation costs.

We have been though this game before. I would suggest you watch “Who Killed the Electric Car”.

[UCGal]

Semi-hijack.
I’m old enough to remember having frequent “smog alerts” in the late 60’s and early 70’s. It was bad. Your lungs literally hurt from breathing the crappy air. I’m glad they passed the laws that improved the air quality.

[UCGal]

Semi-hijack.
I’m old enough to remember having frequent “smog alerts” in the late 60’s and early 70’s. It was bad. Your lungs literally hurt from breathing the crappy air. I’m glad they passed the laws that improved the air quality.

[UCGal]

Semi-hijack.
I’m old enough to remember having frequent “smog alerts” in the late 60’s and early 70’s. It was bad. Your lungs literally hurt from breathing the crappy air. I’m glad they passed the laws that improved the air quality.

[UCGal]

Semi-hijack.
I’m old enough to remember having frequent “smog alerts” in the late 60’s and early 70’s. It was bad. Your lungs literally hurt from breathing the crappy air. I’m glad they passed the laws that improved the air quality.

[UCGal]

Semi-hijack.
I’m old enough to remember having frequent “smog alerts” in the late 60’s and early 70’s. It was bad. Your lungs literally hurt from breathing the crappy air. I’m glad they passed the laws that improved the air quality.

[jstoesz]

yeah I still don’t follow the analogy. Is oil refinery A doing appreciable harm to mom and pop shop B? Law enforcement protects against theft…but what theft is occurring here?

[quote]Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.[/quote]

It is clearly not the only business, but a large percentage of businesses and nearly all of their consumers are dependent on energy…nearly every person in this state uses gasoline directly or indirectly. If costs for gasoline go up, then there is less money to spend on other things. (fewer jobs)

[quote] Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. [/quote]

Sounds great! lets buy it in 2020…or we can make a law that mandates purchase of solar energy in proportion to its competitiveness with fossil fuels. Oh wait we already have that law, it is call the law of the free markets…

[jstoesz]

yeah I still don’t follow the analogy. Is oil refinery A doing appreciable harm to mom and pop shop B? Law enforcement protects against theft…but what theft is occurring here?

[quote]Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.[/quote]

It is clearly not the only business, but a large percentage of businesses and nearly all of their consumers are dependent on energy…nearly every person in this state uses gasoline directly or indirectly. If costs for gasoline go up, then there is less money to spend on other things. (fewer jobs)

[quote] Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. [/quote]

Sounds great! lets buy it in 2020…or we can make a law that mandates purchase of solar energy in proportion to its competitiveness with fossil fuels. Oh wait we already have that law, it is call the law of the free markets…

[jstoesz]

yeah I still don’t follow the analogy. Is oil refinery A doing appreciable harm to mom and pop shop B? Law enforcement protects against theft…but what theft is occurring here?

[quote]Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.[/quote]

It is clearly not the only business, but a large percentage of businesses and nearly all of their consumers are dependent on energy…nearly every person in this state uses gasoline directly or indirectly. If costs for gasoline go up, then there is less money to spend on other things. (fewer jobs)

[quote] Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. [/quote]

Sounds great! lets buy it in 2020…or we can make a law that mandates purchase of solar energy in proportion to its competitiveness with fossil fuels. Oh wait we already have that law, it is call the law of the free markets…

[jstoesz]

yeah I still don’t follow the analogy. Is oil refinery A doing appreciable harm to mom and pop shop B? Law enforcement protects against theft…but what theft is occurring here?

[quote]Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.[/quote]

It is clearly not the only business, but a large percentage of businesses and nearly all of their consumers are dependent on energy…nearly every person in this state uses gasoline directly or indirectly. If costs for gasoline go up, then there is less money to spend on other things. (fewer jobs)

[quote] Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. [/quote]

Sounds great! lets buy it in 2020…or we can make a law that mandates purchase of solar energy in proportion to its competitiveness with fossil fuels. Oh wait we already have that law, it is call the law of the free markets…

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