Proposition 23

[jstoesz]

yeah I still don’t follow the analogy. Is oil refinery A doing appreciable harm to mom and pop shop B? Law enforcement protects against theft…but what theft is occurring here?

[quote]Oil refining is not the only business in California. I would bet that it doesn’t contribute to more than 0.01% of GDP.[/quote]

It is clearly not the only business, but a large percentage of businesses and nearly all of their consumers are dependent on energy…nearly every person in this state uses gasoline directly or indirectly. If costs for gasoline go up, then there is less money to spend on other things. (fewer jobs)

[quote] Solar power will be competitive with natural gas electricity by 2020. [/quote]

Sounds great! lets buy it in 2020…or we can make a law that mandates purchase of solar energy in proportion to its competitiveness with fossil fuels. Oh wait we already have that law, it is call the law of the free markets…

[DWCAP]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]

Excellent post. Most excellent. I just wish more people felt this way.

[DWCAP]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]

Excellent post. Most excellent. I just wish more people felt this way.

[DWCAP]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]

Excellent post. Most excellent. I just wish more people felt this way.

[DWCAP]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]

Excellent post. Most excellent. I just wish more people felt this way.

[DWCAP]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]

Excellent post. Most excellent. I just wish more people felt this way.

[air_ogi]

Calif. global warming law will have little impact on bottom line, study says

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/06/calif-global-warming-law-has-little-impact/

[air_ogi]

Calif. global warming law will have little impact on bottom line, study says

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/06/calif-global-warming-law-has-little-impact/

[air_ogi]

Calif. global warming law will have little impact on bottom line, study says

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/06/calif-global-warming-law-has-little-impact/

[air_ogi]

Calif. global warming law will have little impact on bottom line, study says

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/06/calif-global-warming-law-has-little-impact/

[air_ogi]

Calif. global warming law will have little impact on bottom line, study says

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/06/calif-global-warming-law-has-little-impact/

[jstoesz]

ok, I guess now commence the listing of studies…

http://suspendab32.org/AB_32_Report071309.pdf?d3734640

conclusion…
The total AB 32 cost of $182.649 billion in lost output is one and a half times the total
budget for the state of California. Given that the total gross state output of $1.8 trillion for
California in 2008, the total lost output from AB 32 costs to small businesses is almost
10%. Accordingly, the total cost of AB 32 is $49,691 per small business in California.

[jstoesz]

ok, I guess now commence the listing of studies…

http://suspendab32.org/AB_32_Report071309.pdf?d3734640

conclusion…
The total AB 32 cost of $182.649 billion in lost output is one and a half times the total
budget for the state of California. Given that the total gross state output of $1.8 trillion for
California in 2008, the total lost output from AB 32 costs to small businesses is almost
10%. Accordingly, the total cost of AB 32 is $49,691 per small business in California.

[jstoesz]

ok, I guess now commence the listing of studies…

http://suspendab32.org/AB_32_Report071309.pdf?d3734640

conclusion…
The total AB 32 cost of $182.649 billion in lost output is one and a half times the total
budget for the state of California. Given that the total gross state output of $1.8 trillion for
California in 2008, the total lost output from AB 32 costs to small businesses is almost
10%. Accordingly, the total cost of AB 32 is $49,691 per small business in California.

[jstoesz]

ok, I guess now commence the listing of studies…

http://suspendab32.org/AB_32_Report071309.pdf?d3734640

conclusion…
The total AB 32 cost of $182.649 billion in lost output is one and a half times the total
budget for the state of California. Given that the total gross state output of $1.8 trillion for
California in 2008, the total lost output from AB 32 costs to small businesses is almost
10%. Accordingly, the total cost of AB 32 is $49,691 per small business in California.

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