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The Brits have bad teeth for sure. And they don’t look healthy generally speaking. Maybe it’s the rain. Or maybe because I’m from sunny Southern California.

Interesting fact on British teeth..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135582/Man-pulls-13-teeth-pliers-NHS-dentist.html
http://flapsblog.com/category/dentistry/socialized-dentistry/

.. and the Brits have Universal Health care. The problem is that the price is driven below the cost to the dentist, so you don’t have many new dentists entering the field.

As for general health, the human body has a great capacity to heal itself if you don’t screw with it. Unfortunately too many doctors screw with it I’m not saying all, but too many doctors feel compelled to do something when nothing may actually be better. Factors contributing to this may include profit motive, reducing liability or patient demanding that the doctor do something.

Right now, the insured are subsidizing the uninsured.

This is a falsehood spread by the insurance companies. If you remember back in time, it is the same falsehood used to push for mandatory auto insurance in California. The promise was that auto insurance rates would drop after passage. They didn’t. The public in California then pushed for an insurance commissioner. I think the first guy holding that position was John Garamendi. We got a ‘token’ reduction in auto insurance costs.. but nothing real, and yet another politician got a government paycheck.

If you look at hospital room costs (just for the room, they micro-bill everything else), they range from $3000/per night on up. Considering that most hospital rooms are double occupancy, the room is really costing people $6000 per night. If the cause was the uninsured, it would mean that up to 19 out of 20 people in the hospital are uninsured.

Being uninsured doesn’t mean you get a ‘free pass’. You get hounded by debt collectors on behalf of the hospital. Only when it is finally determined that it is un-collectible, or you have been bled dry after all sort of ‘collection fees’ have been racked up.. might they consider it a ‘charity act’ and listed on their expense as such.. which makes it tax deductible against the hospital’s revenues. An interesting note on ‘charity acts’ is that it also include costs on providing help (surgery etc) to need cases from other countries, as well as charitable contributions. The actual cost of the uninsured to a hospital is buried in the noise.

What might really help all of the health care costs, is to deal with $3000+/bed/day, $6000+/room/day costs ($90,000 – $180,000 per month). If hospital stays did not have this cost, health care would really not be that expensive. Nursing homes (nice ones) manage to provide own room in the cost range of $3500 to $5000/month.

The present bills do not address any of the costs of health care.. it only conceals it under a layer of insurance. This is guaranteed to do only one thing, make the true costs higher.

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The Brits have bad teeth for sure. And they don’t look healthy generally speaking. Maybe it’s the rain. Or maybe because I’m from sunny Southern California.

Interesting fact on British teeth..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135582/Man-pulls-13-teeth-pliers-NHS-dentist.html
http://flapsblog.com/category/dentistry/socialized-dentistry/

.. and the Brits have Universal Health care. The problem is that the price is driven below the cost to the dentist, so you don’t have many new dentists entering the field.

As for general health, the human body has a great capacity to heal itself if you don’t screw with it. Unfortunately too many doctors screw with it I’m not saying all, but too many doctors feel compelled to do something when nothing may actually be better. Factors contributing to this may include profit motive, reducing liability or patient demanding that the doctor do something.

Right now, the insured are subsidizing the uninsured.

This is a falsehood spread by the insurance companies. If you remember back in time, it is the same falsehood used to push for mandatory auto insurance in California. The promise was that auto insurance rates would drop after passage. They didn’t. The public in California then pushed for an insurance commissioner. I think the first guy holding that position was John Garamendi. We got a ‘token’ reduction in auto insurance costs.. but nothing real, and yet another politician got a government paycheck.

If you look at hospital room costs (just for the room, they micro-bill everything else), they range from $3000/per night on up. Considering that most hospital rooms are double occupancy, the room is really costing people $6000 per night. If the cause was the uninsured, it would mean that up to 19 out of 20 people in the hospital are uninsured.

Being uninsured doesn’t mean you get a ‘free pass’. You get hounded by debt collectors on behalf of the hospital. Only when it is finally determined that it is un-collectible, or you have been bled dry after all sort of ‘collection fees’ have been racked up.. might they consider it a ‘charity act’ and listed on their expense as such.. which makes it tax deductible against the hospital’s revenues. An interesting note on ‘charity acts’ is that it also include costs on providing help (surgery etc) to need cases from other countries, as well as charitable contributions. The actual cost of the uninsured to a hospital is buried in the noise.

What might really help all of the health care costs, is to deal with $3000+/bed/day, $6000+/room/day costs ($90,000 – $180,000 per month). If hospital stays did not have this cost, health care would really not be that expensive. Nursing homes (nice ones) manage to provide own room in the cost range of $3500 to $5000/month.

The present bills do not address any of the costs of health care.. it only conceals it under a layer of insurance. This is guaranteed to do only one thing, make the true costs higher.

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The Brits have bad teeth for sure. And they don’t look healthy generally speaking. Maybe it’s the rain. Or maybe because I’m from sunny Southern California.

Interesting fact on British teeth..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135582/Man-pulls-13-teeth-pliers-NHS-dentist.html
http://flapsblog.com/category/dentistry/socialized-dentistry/

.. and the Brits have Universal Health care. The problem is that the price is driven below the cost to the dentist, so you don’t have many new dentists entering the field.

As for general health, the human body has a great capacity to heal itself if you don’t screw with it. Unfortunately too many doctors screw with it I’m not saying all, but too many doctors feel compelled to do something when nothing may actually be better. Factors contributing to this may include profit motive, reducing liability or patient demanding that the doctor do something.

Right now, the insured are subsidizing the uninsured.

This is a falsehood spread by the insurance companies. If you remember back in time, it is the same falsehood used to push for mandatory auto insurance in California. The promise was that auto insurance rates would drop after passage. They didn’t. The public in California then pushed for an insurance commissioner. I think the first guy holding that position was John Garamendi. We got a ‘token’ reduction in auto insurance costs.. but nothing real, and yet another politician got a government paycheck.

If you look at hospital room costs (just for the room, they micro-bill everything else), they range from $3000/per night on up. Considering that most hospital rooms are double occupancy, the room is really costing people $6000 per night. If the cause was the uninsured, it would mean that up to 19 out of 20 people in the hospital are uninsured.

Being uninsured doesn’t mean you get a ‘free pass’. You get hounded by debt collectors on behalf of the hospital. Only when it is finally determined that it is un-collectible, or you have been bled dry after all sort of ‘collection fees’ have been racked up.. might they consider it a ‘charity act’ and listed on their expense as such.. which makes it tax deductible against the hospital’s revenues. An interesting note on ‘charity acts’ is that it also include costs on providing help (surgery etc) to need cases from other countries, as well as charitable contributions. The actual cost of the uninsured to a hospital is buried in the noise.

What might really help all of the health care costs, is to deal with $3000+/bed/day, $6000+/room/day costs ($90,000 – $180,000 per month). If hospital stays did not have this cost, health care would really not be that expensive. Nursing homes (nice ones) manage to provide own room in the cost range of $3500 to $5000/month.

The present bills do not address any of the costs of health care.. it only conceals it under a layer of insurance. This is guaranteed to do only one thing, make the true costs higher.

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Italian justice is a joke.

Italian state did not want to press extradition, but the prosecutors went on ahead for ‘show'(make it look like they are doing something while not dealing with needed prosecutions within Italy)

The Italian ‘co-conspirators’ were not tried because “all evidence of coordination between the Italian secret services and the C.I.A. violated state secrecy rules and was therefore inadmissible in the trial”.

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Italian justice is a joke.

Italian state did not want to press extradition, but the prosecutors went on ahead for ‘show'(make it look like they are doing something while not dealing with needed prosecutions within Italy)

The Italian ‘co-conspirators’ were not tried because “all evidence of coordination between the Italian secret services and the C.I.A. violated state secrecy rules and was therefore inadmissible in the trial”.

[ucodegen]

Italian justice is a joke.

Italian state did not want to press extradition, but the prosecutors went on ahead for ‘show'(make it look like they are doing something while not dealing with needed prosecutions within Italy)

The Italian ‘co-conspirators’ were not tried because “all evidence of coordination between the Italian secret services and the C.I.A. violated state secrecy rules and was therefore inadmissible in the trial”.

[ucodegen]

Italian justice is a joke.

Italian state did not want to press extradition, but the prosecutors went on ahead for ‘show'(make it look like they are doing something while not dealing with needed prosecutions within Italy)

The Italian ‘co-conspirators’ were not tried because “all evidence of coordination between the Italian secret services and the C.I.A. violated state secrecy rules and was therefore inadmissible in the trial”.

[ucodegen]

Italian justice is a joke.

Italian state did not want to press extradition, but the prosecutors went on ahead for ‘show'(make it look like they are doing something while not dealing with needed prosecutions within Italy)

The Italian ‘co-conspirators’ were not tried because “all evidence of coordination between the Italian secret services and the C.I.A. violated state secrecy rules and was therefore inadmissible in the trial”.

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Like it or not, the act of bearing a child creates a very different relationship between a child and a mother. You are forever changed physically, mentally, and emotionally after having biological children.

I think you are ignoring the bonding that occurs with the father. He is the provider and there is a drive to take on this additional responsibility.. instead of buying that new sports car. Here is an interesting question: who is more protective of the daughter with respect to her first date… mother or father?

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Like it or not, the act of bearing a child creates a very different relationship between a child and a mother. You are forever changed physically, mentally, and emotionally after having biological children.

I think you are ignoring the bonding that occurs with the father. He is the provider and there is a drive to take on this additional responsibility.. instead of buying that new sports car. Here is an interesting question: who is more protective of the daughter with respect to her first date… mother or father?

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Like it or not, the act of bearing a child creates a very different relationship between a child and a mother. You are forever changed physically, mentally, and emotionally after having biological children.

I think you are ignoring the bonding that occurs with the father. He is the provider and there is a drive to take on this additional responsibility.. instead of buying that new sports car. Here is an interesting question: who is more protective of the daughter with respect to her first date… mother or father?

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Like it or not, the act of bearing a child creates a very different relationship between a child and a mother. You are forever changed physically, mentally, and emotionally after having biological children.

I think you are ignoring the bonding that occurs with the father. He is the provider and there is a drive to take on this additional responsibility.. instead of buying that new sports car. Here is an interesting question: who is more protective of the daughter with respect to her first date… mother or father?

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Like it or not, the act of bearing a child creates a very different relationship between a child and a mother. You are forever changed physically, mentally, and emotionally after having biological children.

I think you are ignoring the bonding that occurs with the father. He is the provider and there is a drive to take on this additional responsibility.. instead of buying that new sports car. Here is an interesting question: who is more protective of the daughter with respect to her first date… mother or father?

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True. However, the fact that single mothers constitute a disproportionate number of people living at/below the poverty level makes me think that single/divorced women with children suffer financially compared to women without children.

You can’t use that particular analysis to support the position that divorce is the cause of single mother living at/below poverty level. You add in unwed mothers, teen children bearing children and you add in the issue of the welfare state. We were covering the issue of the effect of divorce. Single women bearing children out of wedlock is a completely different subject and has much different causes, underlying issues etc.

Question: would you have preferred that your parents divorce, or have them work on developing a better marriage and staying married?

Simple.. divorced. We wished they had done it sooner. It was driving all the kids insane.

I guess I see more options that just “stay married and miserable” or divorce.

There are more options than stay-married+miserable vs divorce. But there are also situations where stay together and get it to work.. won’t work.. ever!

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True. However, the fact that single mothers constitute a disproportionate number of people living at/below the poverty level makes me think that single/divorced women with children suffer financially compared to women without children.

You can’t use that particular analysis to support the position that divorce is the cause of single mother living at/below poverty level. You add in unwed mothers, teen children bearing children and you add in the issue of the welfare state. We were covering the issue of the effect of divorce. Single women bearing children out of wedlock is a completely different subject and has much different causes, underlying issues etc.

Question: would you have preferred that your parents divorce, or have them work on developing a better marriage and staying married?

Simple.. divorced. We wished they had done it sooner. It was driving all the kids insane.

I guess I see more options that just “stay married and miserable” or divorce.

There are more options than stay-married+miserable vs divorce. But there are also situations where stay together and get it to work.. won’t work.. ever!

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