Italy convicts 23 Americans

[ucodegen]

Italian justice is a joke.

Italian state did not want to press extradition, but the prosecutors went on ahead for ‘show'(make it look like they are doing something while not dealing with needed prosecutions within Italy)

The Italian ‘co-conspirators’ were not tried because “all evidence of coordination between the Italian secret services and the C.I.A. violated state secrecy rules and was therefore inadmissible in the trial”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Cardiff: I just saw this. What a joke. Its a show trial, pure and simple, and for no other reason than to gin up some publicity.

Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.

If the Italians were to make any sort of move on any of those Americans, Uncle Sugar would bust a size 12 GI boot off in their asses and take all their toys away.

Substitute the word “French” for “Italian” and you get the general idea of how scared we should be.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Cardiff: I just saw this. What a joke. Its a show trial, pure and simple, and for no other reason than to gin up some publicity.

Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.

If the Italians were to make any sort of move on any of those Americans, Uncle Sugar would bust a size 12 GI boot off in their asses and take all their toys away.

Substitute the word “French” for “Italian” and you get the general idea of how scared we should be.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Cardiff: I just saw this. What a joke. Its a show trial, pure and simple, and for no other reason than to gin up some publicity.

Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.

If the Italians were to make any sort of move on any of those Americans, Uncle Sugar would bust a size 12 GI boot off in their asses and take all their toys away.

Substitute the word “French” for “Italian” and you get the general idea of how scared we should be.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Cardiff: I just saw this. What a joke. Its a show trial, pure and simple, and for no other reason than to gin up some publicity.

Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.

If the Italians were to make any sort of move on any of those Americans, Uncle Sugar would bust a size 12 GI boot off in their asses and take all their toys away.

Substitute the word “French” for “Italian” and you get the general idea of how scared we should be.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Cardiff: I just saw this. What a joke. Its a show trial, pure and simple, and for no other reason than to gin up some publicity.

Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.

If the Italians were to make any sort of move on any of those Americans, Uncle Sugar would bust a size 12 GI boot off in their asses and take all their toys away.

Substitute the word “French” for “Italian” and you get the general idea of how scared we should be.

[briansd1]

As Allan put it, Italy is clearly a “vassal” state to America.

Given that reality, it was pretty courageous of the Italian judiciary to prosecute the case. It was symbolic but, symbols are important. It’s the first country (a close American ally) that put Americans agents on trial.

Who knows what the future will bring? 20 to 30 years later, public opinion may change and the reality may change. See what happened to Polanski?

It was courageous of the judge to convict the Americans and send a message that kidnapping by foreign agents operating outside of the law is simply not acceptable.

The Berlusconi government implied that it will not handle any extradition requests, and the US government will likely not honor any such requests, so the convicted Americans are safe.

However, the victim and his family are pursuing civil lawsuits so there maybe civil judgments to follow.

If anything, the convicted Americans won’t be able ever travel to Italy again. They likely have served in Italy for years and may have developed a certain affinity for the country and formed friendships with Italians. Not being able to return the country, even as tourists, in their old age would be unpleasant.

The former C.I.A. official said that if Italian prosecutors were successful in getting an international arrest warrant, the convicted spies would probably face the threat of arrest anywhere outside the United States for the rest of their lives.

[briansd1]

As Allan put it, Italy is clearly a “vassal” state to America.

Given that reality, it was pretty courageous of the Italian judiciary to prosecute the case. It was symbolic but, symbols are important. It’s the first country (a close American ally) that put Americans agents on trial.

Who knows what the future will bring? 20 to 30 years later, public opinion may change and the reality may change. See what happened to Polanski?

It was courageous of the judge to convict the Americans and send a message that kidnapping by foreign agents operating outside of the law is simply not acceptable.

The Berlusconi government implied that it will not handle any extradition requests, and the US government will likely not honor any such requests, so the convicted Americans are safe.

However, the victim and his family are pursuing civil lawsuits so there maybe civil judgments to follow.

If anything, the convicted Americans won’t be able ever travel to Italy again. They likely have served in Italy for years and may have developed a certain affinity for the country and formed friendships with Italians. Not being able to return the country, even as tourists, in their old age would be unpleasant.

The former C.I.A. official said that if Italian prosecutors were successful in getting an international arrest warrant, the convicted spies would probably face the threat of arrest anywhere outside the United States for the rest of their lives.

[briansd1]

As Allan put it, Italy is clearly a “vassal” state to America.

Given that reality, it was pretty courageous of the Italian judiciary to prosecute the case. It was symbolic but, symbols are important. It’s the first country (a close American ally) that put Americans agents on trial.

Who knows what the future will bring? 20 to 30 years later, public opinion may change and the reality may change. See what happened to Polanski?

It was courageous of the judge to convict the Americans and send a message that kidnapping by foreign agents operating outside of the law is simply not acceptable.

The Berlusconi government implied that it will not handle any extradition requests, and the US government will likely not honor any such requests, so the convicted Americans are safe.

However, the victim and his family are pursuing civil lawsuits so there maybe civil judgments to follow.

If anything, the convicted Americans won’t be able ever travel to Italy again. They likely have served in Italy for years and may have developed a certain affinity for the country and formed friendships with Italians. Not being able to return the country, even as tourists, in their old age would be unpleasant.

The former C.I.A. official said that if Italian prosecutors were successful in getting an international arrest warrant, the convicted spies would probably face the threat of arrest anywhere outside the United States for the rest of their lives.

[briansd1]

As Allan put it, Italy is clearly a “vassal” state to America.

Given that reality, it was pretty courageous of the Italian judiciary to prosecute the case. It was symbolic but, symbols are important. It’s the first country (a close American ally) that put Americans agents on trial.

Who knows what the future will bring? 20 to 30 years later, public opinion may change and the reality may change. See what happened to Polanski?

It was courageous of the judge to convict the Americans and send a message that kidnapping by foreign agents operating outside of the law is simply not acceptable.

The Berlusconi government implied that it will not handle any extradition requests, and the US government will likely not honor any such requests, so the convicted Americans are safe.

However, the victim and his family are pursuing civil lawsuits so there maybe civil judgments to follow.

If anything, the convicted Americans won’t be able ever travel to Italy again. They likely have served in Italy for years and may have developed a certain affinity for the country and formed friendships with Italians. Not being able to return the country, even as tourists, in their old age would be unpleasant.

The former C.I.A. official said that if Italian prosecutors were successful in getting an international arrest warrant, the convicted spies would probably face the threat of arrest anywhere outside the United States for the rest of their lives.

[briansd1]

As Allan put it, Italy is clearly a “vassal” state to America.

Given that reality, it was pretty courageous of the Italian judiciary to prosecute the case. It was symbolic but, symbols are important. It’s the first country (a close American ally) that put Americans agents on trial.

Who knows what the future will bring? 20 to 30 years later, public opinion may change and the reality may change. See what happened to Polanski?

It was courageous of the judge to convict the Americans and send a message that kidnapping by foreign agents operating outside of the law is simply not acceptable.

The Berlusconi government implied that it will not handle any extradition requests, and the US government will likely not honor any such requests, so the convicted Americans are safe.

However, the victim and his family are pursuing civil lawsuits so there maybe civil judgments to follow.

If anything, the convicted Americans won’t be able ever travel to Italy again. They likely have served in Italy for years and may have developed a certain affinity for the country and formed friendships with Italians. Not being able to return the country, even as tourists, in their old age would be unpleasant.

The former C.I.A. official said that if Italian prosecutors were successful in getting an international arrest warrant, the convicted spies would probably face the threat of arrest anywhere outside the United States for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.[/quote]

Allan,

You are correct. We should forget about all of the above. Because it is totally irrelevant to the issue.

The only issue here is this: Did these agents break the law? If so, they should be held accountable. A crime committed in a nation that has a corrupt government is no less of a crime.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.[/quote]

Allan,

You are correct. We should forget about all of the above. Because it is totally irrelevant to the issue.

The only issue here is this: Did these agents break the law? If so, they should be held accountable. A crime committed in a nation that has a corrupt government is no less of a crime.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.[/quote]

Allan,

You are correct. We should forget about all of the above. Because it is totally irrelevant to the issue.

The only issue here is this: Did these agents break the law? If so, they should be held accountable. A crime committed in a nation that has a corrupt government is no less of a crime.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Forget about how endemically corrupt Italy is, or that the Mafia/organized crime effectively run that country. Forget Berlusconi’s shenanigans. Forget the fact that Italy’s intelligence and security apparatus is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.[/quote]

Allan,

You are correct. We should forget about all of the above. Because it is totally irrelevant to the issue.

The only issue here is this: Did these agents break the law? If so, they should be held accountable. A crime committed in a nation that has a corrupt government is no less of a crime.

[Author]

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