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I disagree that construction quality is lower now. The building codes have become ever tougher over the past 50 years.

Building codes and quality are two different things. More houses these days are off-square, walls are actually not straight (this is why they use ‘knock-down’ texture. It hides this. Walls in the 60’s and earlier were smooth surface. Any unevenness would show up). Now, if they can get away with skipping code, they do. Code and code inspection keeps the builders honest. Remember that in the 60’s, the building code was much simpler. What would be the quality of those houses if the builders took the same approach to building that they do now?

The codes today, have made a more structurally sound and electrically safer house, but the quality put into the actual construction itself is lower. Note: In 1960 and earlier, 2×4 was 2×4. It is now 1.5 x 3.5, and I ran across some that were 1.5 x 3.25. Plywood used to be used, now it is OSB.

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I disagree that construction quality is lower now. The building codes have become ever tougher over the past 50 years.

Building codes and quality are two different things. More houses these days are off-square, walls are actually not straight (this is why they use ‘knock-down’ texture. It hides this. Walls in the 60’s and earlier were smooth surface. Any unevenness would show up). Now, if they can get away with skipping code, they do. Code and code inspection keeps the builders honest. Remember that in the 60’s, the building code was much simpler. What would be the quality of those houses if the builders took the same approach to building that they do now?

The codes today, have made a more structurally sound and electrically safer house, but the quality put into the actual construction itself is lower. Note: In 1960 and earlier, 2×4 was 2×4. It is now 1.5 x 3.5, and I ran across some that were 1.5 x 3.25. Plywood used to be used, now it is OSB.

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I disagree that construction quality is lower now. The building codes have become ever tougher over the past 50 years.

Building codes and quality are two different things. More houses these days are off-square, walls are actually not straight (this is why they use ‘knock-down’ texture. It hides this. Walls in the 60’s and earlier were smooth surface. Any unevenness would show up). Now, if they can get away with skipping code, they do. Code and code inspection keeps the builders honest. Remember that in the 60’s, the building code was much simpler. What would be the quality of those houses if the builders took the same approach to building that they do now?

The codes today, have made a more structurally sound and electrically safer house, but the quality put into the actual construction itself is lower. Note: In 1960 and earlier, 2×4 was 2×4. It is now 1.5 x 3.5, and I ran across some that were 1.5 x 3.25. Plywood used to be used, now it is OSB.

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3) The number of people who die annually on our roads is something like 50k, and the number injured is significantly higher. Self driven cars should have no collisions.

You are an optimist.. think blue screen of death. How about ‘runaway Toyota’s too. Its not supposed to happen, but still does. It needs to be realized that following distances will be decreased and speeds increased for cars that are ‘auto-piloted’ because the perception of increased safety.

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3) The number of people who die annually on our roads is something like 50k, and the number injured is significantly higher. Self driven cars should have no collisions.

You are an optimist.. think blue screen of death. How about ‘runaway Toyota’s too. Its not supposed to happen, but still does. It needs to be realized that following distances will be decreased and speeds increased for cars that are ‘auto-piloted’ because the perception of increased safety.

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3) The number of people who die annually on our roads is something like 50k, and the number injured is significantly higher. Self driven cars should have no collisions.

You are an optimist.. think blue screen of death. How about ‘runaway Toyota’s too. Its not supposed to happen, but still does. It needs to be realized that following distances will be decreased and speeds increased for cars that are ‘auto-piloted’ because the perception of increased safety.

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3) The number of people who die annually on our roads is something like 50k, and the number injured is significantly higher. Self driven cars should have no collisions.

You are an optimist.. think blue screen of death. How about ‘runaway Toyota’s too. Its not supposed to happen, but still does. It needs to be realized that following distances will be decreased and speeds increased for cars that are ‘auto-piloted’ because the perception of increased safety.

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3) The number of people who die annually on our roads is something like 50k, and the number injured is significantly higher. Self driven cars should have no collisions.

You are an optimist.. think blue screen of death. How about ‘runaway Toyota’s too. Its not supposed to happen, but still does. It needs to be realized that following distances will be decreased and speeds increased for cars that are ‘auto-piloted’ because the perception of increased safety.

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i don’t really want to pay for white irish illegals either.

Neither do I. For me, it has nothing to do with race.. Mexican, White Irish, Chinese are all the same to me.

I’m kind of skeptical about the whole public schools system; why not have parallel online schools available for illegals?

That is an interesting idea, though I do see a potential problem with internet access and motivation to do the coursework on the part of the illegals. If a person has taken the online coursework, they can ‘test into’ a high school diploma.

By the way, MIT.. yes the MIT, has put a lot of their coursework online.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

man, that SPAM filter must like me.. I keep getting CAPTCHAs..

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i don’t really want to pay for white irish illegals either.

Neither do I. For me, it has nothing to do with race.. Mexican, White Irish, Chinese are all the same to me.

I’m kind of skeptical about the whole public schools system; why not have parallel online schools available for illegals?

That is an interesting idea, though I do see a potential problem with internet access and motivation to do the coursework on the part of the illegals. If a person has taken the online coursework, they can ‘test into’ a high school diploma.

By the way, MIT.. yes the MIT, has put a lot of their coursework online.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

man, that SPAM filter must like me.. I keep getting CAPTCHAs..

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i don’t really want to pay for white irish illegals either.

Neither do I. For me, it has nothing to do with race.. Mexican, White Irish, Chinese are all the same to me.

I’m kind of skeptical about the whole public schools system; why not have parallel online schools available for illegals?

That is an interesting idea, though I do see a potential problem with internet access and motivation to do the coursework on the part of the illegals. If a person has taken the online coursework, they can ‘test into’ a high school diploma.

By the way, MIT.. yes the MIT, has put a lot of their coursework online.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

man, that SPAM filter must like me.. I keep getting CAPTCHAs..

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i don’t really want to pay for white irish illegals either.

Neither do I. For me, it has nothing to do with race.. Mexican, White Irish, Chinese are all the same to me.

I’m kind of skeptical about the whole public schools system; why not have parallel online schools available for illegals?

That is an interesting idea, though I do see a potential problem with internet access and motivation to do the coursework on the part of the illegals. If a person has taken the online coursework, they can ‘test into’ a high school diploma.

By the way, MIT.. yes the MIT, has put a lot of their coursework online.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

man, that SPAM filter must like me.. I keep getting CAPTCHAs..

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i don’t really want to pay for white irish illegals either.

Neither do I. For me, it has nothing to do with race.. Mexican, White Irish, Chinese are all the same to me.

I’m kind of skeptical about the whole public schools system; why not have parallel online schools available for illegals?

That is an interesting idea, though I do see a potential problem with internet access and motivation to do the coursework on the part of the illegals. If a person has taken the online coursework, they can ‘test into’ a high school diploma.

By the way, MIT.. yes the MIT, has put a lot of their coursework online.
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

man, that SPAM filter must like me.. I keep getting CAPTCHAs..

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If you don’t like paying for Jose’s kid, then why are you OK with paying for Joe’s kid?

Both Joe’s kids and Jose’s kids are going to end up in US communities as adults (like it or not). So perhaps we should educate them both.

The only problem is that to provide for Jose’s kid, we have to take away from Joe’s kid.. or Juan’s kid. Juan being the person who took the legal way in. It create a moral conundrum. You end up punishing someone for doing it right and legal, and rewarding someone for doing it illegally
(Ironically, similar to some of the stuff with real estate mortgages right now). Unfortunately the ones at receiving end are the kids, as proxies for their parents behavior or the behavior of other parents. Kids of legal parents get punished because of class crowding, teachers having to spend extra time bring kids of illegals up to speed. On the other hand, to deny kids of illegals an education, punishes those kids for the behavior of their parents. Either way, a decision has to be made.

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If you don’t like paying for Jose’s kid, then why are you OK with paying for Joe’s kid?

Both Joe’s kids and Jose’s kids are going to end up in US communities as adults (like it or not). So perhaps we should educate them both.

The only problem is that to provide for Jose’s kid, we have to take away from Joe’s kid.. or Juan’s kid. Juan being the person who took the legal way in. It create a moral conundrum. You end up punishing someone for doing it right and legal, and rewarding someone for doing it illegally
(Ironically, similar to some of the stuff with real estate mortgages right now). Unfortunately the ones at receiving end are the kids, as proxies for their parents behavior or the behavior of other parents. Kids of legal parents get punished because of class crowding, teachers having to spend extra time bring kids of illegals up to speed. On the other hand, to deny kids of illegals an education, punishes those kids for the behavior of their parents. Either way, a decision has to be made.

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