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[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I think Butleroftwo’s point is that he’s rich enough he shouldn’t need no steenkin subsidies to green up his house. You and me, on the other hand, can use all the help we can get. (A solar roof system can cost %15,000, for example.)[/quote]

It can cost quite a bit more than $15k… but with rebates/credits it can come down to $10-15k out of pocket.
(We’ve been doing the math, getting the quotes, trying to decide if we’ll pull the trigger. Right now we’re leaning against it untill we buy a plug in EV car… so we don’t have to pay to charge the car.)

[quote=Russell]The energy,materials and labor expended and impacts on the planet over time, on a house this size, dwarf any benefits from the effects of going “green” as compared to a reasonably sized reasonably efficient house for two people.I don’t care to judge the standards but the oxymoron is there. The funny thing is these people derive pride from having been certified green.Two people living in Tijuana in a hut made of garage doors are green.
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I completely agree with this. This house is way too big to be considered efficient for 2 people. It was 4800 sf at the beginning and they’re going up to 6k sf. (Per the article.)

LEED gives points for reusing materials (e.g. the TJ garage doors as a building material)… You can get more LEED points for KEEPING non-green materials than for tearing the non-green stuff and putting in “green” materials.

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[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I think Butleroftwo’s point is that he’s rich enough he shouldn’t need no steenkin subsidies to green up his house. You and me, on the other hand, can use all the help we can get. (A solar roof system can cost %15,000, for example.)[/quote]

It can cost quite a bit more than $15k… but with rebates/credits it can come down to $10-15k out of pocket.
(We’ve been doing the math, getting the quotes, trying to decide if we’ll pull the trigger. Right now we’re leaning against it untill we buy a plug in EV car… so we don’t have to pay to charge the car.)

[quote=Russell]The energy,materials and labor expended and impacts on the planet over time, on a house this size, dwarf any benefits from the effects of going “green” as compared to a reasonably sized reasonably efficient house for two people.I don’t care to judge the standards but the oxymoron is there. The funny thing is these people derive pride from having been certified green.Two people living in Tijuana in a hut made of garage doors are green.
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I completely agree with this. This house is way too big to be considered efficient for 2 people. It was 4800 sf at the beginning and they’re going up to 6k sf. (Per the article.)

LEED gives points for reusing materials (e.g. the TJ garage doors as a building material)… You can get more LEED points for KEEPING non-green materials than for tearing the non-green stuff and putting in “green” materials.

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[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I think Butleroftwo’s point is that he’s rich enough he shouldn’t need no steenkin subsidies to green up his house. You and me, on the other hand, can use all the help we can get. (A solar roof system can cost %15,000, for example.)[/quote]

It can cost quite a bit more than $15k… but with rebates/credits it can come down to $10-15k out of pocket.
(We’ve been doing the math, getting the quotes, trying to decide if we’ll pull the trigger. Right now we’re leaning against it untill we buy a plug in EV car… so we don’t have to pay to charge the car.)

[quote=Russell]The energy,materials and labor expended and impacts on the planet over time, on a house this size, dwarf any benefits from the effects of going “green” as compared to a reasonably sized reasonably efficient house for two people.I don’t care to judge the standards but the oxymoron is there. The funny thing is these people derive pride from having been certified green.Two people living in Tijuana in a hut made of garage doors are green.
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I completely agree with this. This house is way too big to be considered efficient for 2 people. It was 4800 sf at the beginning and they’re going up to 6k sf. (Per the article.)

LEED gives points for reusing materials (e.g. the TJ garage doors as a building material)… You can get more LEED points for KEEPING non-green materials than for tearing the non-green stuff and putting in “green” materials.

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I don’t see anything saying Dreyfuss will be getting more than the rebates available to anyone else. Only that SDG&E will be using his renovation for a case study. (Which is very different than them funding/paying for it.)

And just a word on that designer he hired. My husband had the ‘pleasure’ of working with Deniece and her firm on the U.S. Grant. (Hubby was one of MANY architects that came and left in that renovation.) She’s a piece of work from what I heard. But he did say that she had some good design ideas. But the Grant renovation was an example of too many design teams competing for power and “vision” and not being managed properly.

As far as the rebates… I’m actually looking at taking advantage of the rebates/tax credits to add solar panels. Does that make me a loser expecting the taxpayers to fund a hobby, or does it make me an astute consumer looking to reduce my power consumption at the lowest cost to my pocketbook?

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I don’t see anything saying Dreyfuss will be getting more than the rebates available to anyone else. Only that SDG&E will be using his renovation for a case study. (Which is very different than them funding/paying for it.)

And just a word on that designer he hired. My husband had the ‘pleasure’ of working with Deniece and her firm on the U.S. Grant. (Hubby was one of MANY architects that came and left in that renovation.) She’s a piece of work from what I heard. But he did say that she had some good design ideas. But the Grant renovation was an example of too many design teams competing for power and “vision” and not being managed properly.

As far as the rebates… I’m actually looking at taking advantage of the rebates/tax credits to add solar panels. Does that make me a loser expecting the taxpayers to fund a hobby, or does it make me an astute consumer looking to reduce my power consumption at the lowest cost to my pocketbook?

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I don’t see anything saying Dreyfuss will be getting more than the rebates available to anyone else. Only that SDG&E will be using his renovation for a case study. (Which is very different than them funding/paying for it.)

And just a word on that designer he hired. My husband had the ‘pleasure’ of working with Deniece and her firm on the U.S. Grant. (Hubby was one of MANY architects that came and left in that renovation.) She’s a piece of work from what I heard. But he did say that she had some good design ideas. But the Grant renovation was an example of too many design teams competing for power and “vision” and not being managed properly.

As far as the rebates… I’m actually looking at taking advantage of the rebates/tax credits to add solar panels. Does that make me a loser expecting the taxpayers to fund a hobby, or does it make me an astute consumer looking to reduce my power consumption at the lowest cost to my pocketbook?

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I don’t see anything saying Dreyfuss will be getting more than the rebates available to anyone else. Only that SDG&E will be using his renovation for a case study. (Which is very different than them funding/paying for it.)

And just a word on that designer he hired. My husband had the ‘pleasure’ of working with Deniece and her firm on the U.S. Grant. (Hubby was one of MANY architects that came and left in that renovation.) She’s a piece of work from what I heard. But he did say that she had some good design ideas. But the Grant renovation was an example of too many design teams competing for power and “vision” and not being managed properly.

As far as the rebates… I’m actually looking at taking advantage of the rebates/tax credits to add solar panels. Does that make me a loser expecting the taxpayers to fund a hobby, or does it make me an astute consumer looking to reduce my power consumption at the lowest cost to my pocketbook?

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I don’t see anything saying Dreyfuss will be getting more than the rebates available to anyone else. Only that SDG&E will be using his renovation for a case study. (Which is very different than them funding/paying for it.)

And just a word on that designer he hired. My husband had the ‘pleasure’ of working with Deniece and her firm on the U.S. Grant. (Hubby was one of MANY architects that came and left in that renovation.) She’s a piece of work from what I heard. But he did say that she had some good design ideas. But the Grant renovation was an example of too many design teams competing for power and “vision” and not being managed properly.

As far as the rebates… I’m actually looking at taking advantage of the rebates/tax credits to add solar panels. Does that make me a loser expecting the taxpayers to fund a hobby, or does it make me an astute consumer looking to reduce my power consumption at the lowest cost to my pocketbook?

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[quote=flu]It’s useful to have a spare pc handy…in my case, I have 8 active: 3 pc desktops, 3 laptops, 1 mini-pc for travel, and 1 newly acquired mac. Yes, I know, I’m probably king of geekdom…and am not counting all the other relics sitting in my garage collecting dust, including an Apple IIe, Mac SE/30, IIx, IIsi, 286, 386, for some of you older folks.And everything still runs. Really, I have a purpose for each one. Really I do…

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flu – if you ever decide you no longer need some of the older working pc’s… you might consider donating it to your local (or not so local) elementary school. I know San Diego Unified doesn’t have the budget to put computers in every classroom – so my sister, a teacher, is always telling me and my other nerdly friends to give our old PC’s to her school. They don’t have to be all that powerful… they can be apple or windows… most teachers have educational software in both flavors… and will gladly use any donated pc’s.

Just putting that out there.

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[quote=flu]It’s useful to have a spare pc handy…in my case, I have 8 active: 3 pc desktops, 3 laptops, 1 mini-pc for travel, and 1 newly acquired mac. Yes, I know, I’m probably king of geekdom…and am not counting all the other relics sitting in my garage collecting dust, including an Apple IIe, Mac SE/30, IIx, IIsi, 286, 386, for some of you older folks.And everything still runs. Really, I have a purpose for each one. Really I do…

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flu – if you ever decide you no longer need some of the older working pc’s… you might consider donating it to your local (or not so local) elementary school. I know San Diego Unified doesn’t have the budget to put computers in every classroom – so my sister, a teacher, is always telling me and my other nerdly friends to give our old PC’s to her school. They don’t have to be all that powerful… they can be apple or windows… most teachers have educational software in both flavors… and will gladly use any donated pc’s.

Just putting that out there.

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[quote=flu]It’s useful to have a spare pc handy…in my case, I have 8 active: 3 pc desktops, 3 laptops, 1 mini-pc for travel, and 1 newly acquired mac. Yes, I know, I’m probably king of geekdom…and am not counting all the other relics sitting in my garage collecting dust, including an Apple IIe, Mac SE/30, IIx, IIsi, 286, 386, for some of you older folks.And everything still runs. Really, I have a purpose for each one. Really I do…

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flu – if you ever decide you no longer need some of the older working pc’s… you might consider donating it to your local (or not so local) elementary school. I know San Diego Unified doesn’t have the budget to put computers in every classroom – so my sister, a teacher, is always telling me and my other nerdly friends to give our old PC’s to her school. They don’t have to be all that powerful… they can be apple or windows… most teachers have educational software in both flavors… and will gladly use any donated pc’s.

Just putting that out there.

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[quote=flu]It’s useful to have a spare pc handy…in my case, I have 8 active: 3 pc desktops, 3 laptops, 1 mini-pc for travel, and 1 newly acquired mac. Yes, I know, I’m probably king of geekdom…and am not counting all the other relics sitting in my garage collecting dust, including an Apple IIe, Mac SE/30, IIx, IIsi, 286, 386, for some of you older folks.And everything still runs. Really, I have a purpose for each one. Really I do…

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flu – if you ever decide you no longer need some of the older working pc’s… you might consider donating it to your local (or not so local) elementary school. I know San Diego Unified doesn’t have the budget to put computers in every classroom – so my sister, a teacher, is always telling me and my other nerdly friends to give our old PC’s to her school. They don’t have to be all that powerful… they can be apple or windows… most teachers have educational software in both flavors… and will gladly use any donated pc’s.

Just putting that out there.

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[quote=flu]It’s useful to have a spare pc handy…in my case, I have 8 active: 3 pc desktops, 3 laptops, 1 mini-pc for travel, and 1 newly acquired mac. Yes, I know, I’m probably king of geekdom…and am not counting all the other relics sitting in my garage collecting dust, including an Apple IIe, Mac SE/30, IIx, IIsi, 286, 386, for some of you older folks.And everything still runs. Really, I have a purpose for each one. Really I do…

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flu – if you ever decide you no longer need some of the older working pc’s… you might consider donating it to your local (or not so local) elementary school. I know San Diego Unified doesn’t have the budget to put computers in every classroom – so my sister, a teacher, is always telling me and my other nerdly friends to give our old PC’s to her school. They don’t have to be all that powerful… they can be apple or windows… most teachers have educational software in both flavors… and will gladly use any donated pc’s.

Just putting that out there.

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[quote=jpinpb]Monsanto is evil. [/quote]
I completely agree with this.
Everything I read about Monsanto and their attitudes towards smaller farmers and towards the end users/consumers… they are evil.

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[quote=jpinpb]Monsanto is evil. [/quote]
I completely agree with this.
Everything I read about Monsanto and their attitudes towards smaller farmers and towards the end users/consumers… they are evil.

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