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[quote=CA renter]Ultimately though, high intelligence does not mean a person is going to succeed. Oftentimes, gifted people are so accustomed to having everything come easy to them, that they lack any kind of motivation to tackle life’s challenges. They can be some of the laziest people you’ll ever know.

Like flu and AN mentioned above, nothing matters if a person doesn’t have a good work ethic.[/quote]

ITA with this. My brother was a prime example. He seemed to think that because he was smart the world owed him an exceptional income. Unfortunately, his bosses didn’t agree and he kept losing jobs. He was always convinced that he was “above” playing politics at work. My dad and I would shake our heads, pointing out that meeting deadlines and some sucking up to the boss was the real world. Telling off the boss was not a good way to stay employed.

He never did figure it out.

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[quote=CA renter]Ultimately though, high intelligence does not mean a person is going to succeed. Oftentimes, gifted people are so accustomed to having everything come easy to them, that they lack any kind of motivation to tackle life’s challenges. They can be some of the laziest people you’ll ever know.

Like flu and AN mentioned above, nothing matters if a person doesn’t have a good work ethic.[/quote]

ITA with this. My brother was a prime example. He seemed to think that because he was smart the world owed him an exceptional income. Unfortunately, his bosses didn’t agree and he kept losing jobs. He was always convinced that he was “above” playing politics at work. My dad and I would shake our heads, pointing out that meeting deadlines and some sucking up to the boss was the real world. Telling off the boss was not a good way to stay employed.

He never did figure it out.

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[quote=CA renter]Ultimately though, high intelligence does not mean a person is going to succeed. Oftentimes, gifted people are so accustomed to having everything come easy to them, that they lack any kind of motivation to tackle life’s challenges. They can be some of the laziest people you’ll ever know.

Like flu and AN mentioned above, nothing matters if a person doesn’t have a good work ethic.[/quote]

ITA with this. My brother was a prime example. He seemed to think that because he was smart the world owed him an exceptional income. Unfortunately, his bosses didn’t agree and he kept losing jobs. He was always convinced that he was “above” playing politics at work. My dad and I would shake our heads, pointing out that meeting deadlines and some sucking up to the boss was the real world. Telling off the boss was not a good way to stay employed.

He never did figure it out.

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[quote=CA renter]Personally, I like the idea of living with multiple generations, if the houses are designed for it. We’d like to do that ourselves. [/quote]

We built a separate 1br casita (granny flat/companion unit) for my in-laws to live in. Not the most cost effective solution – but it fits our family. And it was designed for wheelchair accessibility – so my IL’s quality of life dramatically improved. My kids enjoy having their grandparents live adjacent to our house AND are getting a good lesson in family taking care of each other.

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[quote=CA renter]Personally, I like the idea of living with multiple generations, if the houses are designed for it. We’d like to do that ourselves. [/quote]

We built a separate 1br casita (granny flat/companion unit) for my in-laws to live in. Not the most cost effective solution – but it fits our family. And it was designed for wheelchair accessibility – so my IL’s quality of life dramatically improved. My kids enjoy having their grandparents live adjacent to our house AND are getting a good lesson in family taking care of each other.

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[quote=CA renter]Personally, I like the idea of living with multiple generations, if the houses are designed for it. We’d like to do that ourselves. [/quote]

We built a separate 1br casita (granny flat/companion unit) for my in-laws to live in. Not the most cost effective solution – but it fits our family. And it was designed for wheelchair accessibility – so my IL’s quality of life dramatically improved. My kids enjoy having their grandparents live adjacent to our house AND are getting a good lesson in family taking care of each other.

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[quote=CA renter]Personally, I like the idea of living with multiple generations, if the houses are designed for it. We’d like to do that ourselves. [/quote]

We built a separate 1br casita (granny flat/companion unit) for my in-laws to live in. Not the most cost effective solution – but it fits our family. And it was designed for wheelchair accessibility – so my IL’s quality of life dramatically improved. My kids enjoy having their grandparents live adjacent to our house AND are getting a good lesson in family taking care of each other.

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[quote=CA renter]Personally, I like the idea of living with multiple generations, if the houses are designed for it. We’d like to do that ourselves. [/quote]

We built a separate 1br casita (granny flat/companion unit) for my in-laws to live in. Not the most cost effective solution – but it fits our family. And it was designed for wheelchair accessibility – so my IL’s quality of life dramatically improved. My kids enjoy having their grandparents live adjacent to our house AND are getting a good lesson in family taking care of each other.

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[quote=SD Realtor]As a side note I also believe that more physical activity would improve academic achievement dramatically. It is bad enough that pretty much any normal 7 year old boy is classified as ADD cuz he cannot sit still. I think that in most cases this is simply a boy being a boy. They need to be running around. Tire them out and you find they are a hell of alot more attentive. Adding more physical activity and maybe scaling back a bit on the academics may serve to INCREASE attentiveness and the quality of what the kids learn. Just my two cents. I do like the military style idea though. Lots of physical activity and more of a focus on respect, discipline, and other intangibles that will accelerate learning in the future. [/quote]

As the mother of an two boys – age 8 and 6 – I completely agree with this. Fortunately, last year, my older son’s teacher figured this out and when he was too fidgety, she let him run laps. (He likes running, it wasn’t punishment). He’d come back ready to learn. I wish his current teacher did the same thing.

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[quote=SD Realtor]As a side note I also believe that more physical activity would improve academic achievement dramatically. It is bad enough that pretty much any normal 7 year old boy is classified as ADD cuz he cannot sit still. I think that in most cases this is simply a boy being a boy. They need to be running around. Tire them out and you find they are a hell of alot more attentive. Adding more physical activity and maybe scaling back a bit on the academics may serve to INCREASE attentiveness and the quality of what the kids learn. Just my two cents. I do like the military style idea though. Lots of physical activity and more of a focus on respect, discipline, and other intangibles that will accelerate learning in the future. [/quote]

As the mother of an two boys – age 8 and 6 – I completely agree with this. Fortunately, last year, my older son’s teacher figured this out and when he was too fidgety, she let him run laps. (He likes running, it wasn’t punishment). He’d come back ready to learn. I wish his current teacher did the same thing.

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[quote=SD Realtor]As a side note I also believe that more physical activity would improve academic achievement dramatically. It is bad enough that pretty much any normal 7 year old boy is classified as ADD cuz he cannot sit still. I think that in most cases this is simply a boy being a boy. They need to be running around. Tire them out and you find they are a hell of alot more attentive. Adding more physical activity and maybe scaling back a bit on the academics may serve to INCREASE attentiveness and the quality of what the kids learn. Just my two cents. I do like the military style idea though. Lots of physical activity and more of a focus on respect, discipline, and other intangibles that will accelerate learning in the future. [/quote]

As the mother of an two boys – age 8 and 6 – I completely agree with this. Fortunately, last year, my older son’s teacher figured this out and when he was too fidgety, she let him run laps. (He likes running, it wasn’t punishment). He’d come back ready to learn. I wish his current teacher did the same thing.

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[quote=SD Realtor]As a side note I also believe that more physical activity would improve academic achievement dramatically. It is bad enough that pretty much any normal 7 year old boy is classified as ADD cuz he cannot sit still. I think that in most cases this is simply a boy being a boy. They need to be running around. Tire them out and you find they are a hell of alot more attentive. Adding more physical activity and maybe scaling back a bit on the academics may serve to INCREASE attentiveness and the quality of what the kids learn. Just my two cents. I do like the military style idea though. Lots of physical activity and more of a focus on respect, discipline, and other intangibles that will accelerate learning in the future. [/quote]

As the mother of an two boys – age 8 and 6 – I completely agree with this. Fortunately, last year, my older son’s teacher figured this out and when he was too fidgety, she let him run laps. (He likes running, it wasn’t punishment). He’d come back ready to learn. I wish his current teacher did the same thing.

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[quote=SD Realtor]As a side note I also believe that more physical activity would improve academic achievement dramatically. It is bad enough that pretty much any normal 7 year old boy is classified as ADD cuz he cannot sit still. I think that in most cases this is simply a boy being a boy. They need to be running around. Tire them out and you find they are a hell of alot more attentive. Adding more physical activity and maybe scaling back a bit on the academics may serve to INCREASE attentiveness and the quality of what the kids learn. Just my two cents. I do like the military style idea though. Lots of physical activity and more of a focus on respect, discipline, and other intangibles that will accelerate learning in the future. [/quote]

As the mother of an two boys – age 8 and 6 – I completely agree with this. Fortunately, last year, my older son’s teacher figured this out and when he was too fidgety, she let him run laps. (He likes running, it wasn’t punishment). He’d come back ready to learn. I wish his current teacher did the same thing.

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[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

Punt:
Both are equally important.
I have friends who are EXTREMELY involved parents – practically homeschooling their children in addition to the school’s education. But the kids didn’t test GATE. They perform as well or better, academically, than the GATE kids in their classes.

I have other friends who are busy, busy, busy. Nanny takes care of the kids – and english isn’t her first language. The kids test off the charts, but perform mediocre in school.

I think it’s got to be a combo of both.

I know that SDSU uses the Raven test – which tests abstract thinking (puzzle/problem solving rather than knowlege/facts/literacy). I’m not sure how parental involvement would improve scores other than an involved parent makes sure the child is well rested, well fed, and confident when they go to take the test.

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[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

Punt:
Both are equally important.
I have friends who are EXTREMELY involved parents – practically homeschooling their children in addition to the school’s education. But the kids didn’t test GATE. They perform as well or better, academically, than the GATE kids in their classes.

I have other friends who are busy, busy, busy. Nanny takes care of the kids – and english isn’t her first language. The kids test off the charts, but perform mediocre in school.

I think it’s got to be a combo of both.

I know that SDSU uses the Raven test – which tests abstract thinking (puzzle/problem solving rather than knowlege/facts/literacy). I’m not sure how parental involvement would improve scores other than an involved parent makes sure the child is well rested, well fed, and confident when they go to take the test.

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