[temeculaguy]

An interesting article for pension haters, it turns out that amongst county workers, the highest paid pensioners work for Riverside County.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/swcounty/article_b2b26157-45bb-5376-8c47-2da04cc4bc71.html

partly because they participate in Social Security. They average, including social security and medical benefits……wait for it…..41k a year total. And that’s the highest paid county is So cal. ventura County was #2.

That wasn’t for ditch diggers, they looked at a few job classifications “The analysis looked at the retirement benefits of office assistants, equipment operators, social workers, deputy sheriffs, sheriff’s sergeants, sheriff’s captains, registered nurses and district attorney investigators.”

So at the end of the article, public outcry has caused reccomendations for them to reduce benefits to 60%, A rough estimate is about 24k a year. You people get your panties in a bunch over that.

But the same newspaper on the same day details the city manager of escondido making some 250k with benefits to 350k and 10 weeks of vacation a year.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_18f21509-f584-5f8a-8af8-57df0de321f5.html

In that second article, in the comments, someone brings up that the county CEO with 10x the employees and 25x the budget makes the same coin.

Now that makes no sense, but those few individuals only serve to inflame the public and sell newspapers, when the rank and file local gov’t folks aren’t getting what everyone is complaining about and yet those are the folks who will endure the biggest cuts.

maybe the fed and the state can learn something from the locals, last i checked, So Cal isn’t a cheap place to live, yet the highest average benefit in so cal is 41k (which includes ss and med) that’s a number I can live with and since I pay my taxes in that county, I’m cool with it.

In the first article, look at the options. In 1999 and 2000, they didn’t set aside a nickel for pensions. Funny, I owned property those years, I don’t remember getting a discount on my property taxes those years

[temeculaguy]

An interesting article for pension haters, it turns out that amongst county workers, the highest paid pensioners work for Riverside County.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/swcounty/article_b2b26157-45bb-5376-8c47-2da04cc4bc71.html

partly because they participate in Social Security. They average, including social security and medical benefits……wait for it…..41k a year total. And that’s the highest paid county is So cal. ventura County was #2.

That wasn’t for ditch diggers, they looked at a few job classifications “The analysis looked at the retirement benefits of office assistants, equipment operators, social workers, deputy sheriffs, sheriff’s sergeants, sheriff’s captains, registered nurses and district attorney investigators.”

So at the end of the article, public outcry has caused reccomendations for them to reduce benefits to 60%, A rough estimate is about 24k a year. You people get your panties in a bunch over that.

But the same newspaper on the same day details the city manager of escondido making some 250k with benefits to 350k and 10 weeks of vacation a year.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_18f21509-f584-5f8a-8af8-57df0de321f5.html

In that second article, in the comments, someone brings up that the county CEO with 10x the employees and 25x the budget makes the same coin.

Now that makes no sense, but those few individuals only serve to inflame the public and sell newspapers, when the rank and file local gov’t folks aren’t getting what everyone is complaining about and yet those are the folks who will endure the biggest cuts.

maybe the fed and the state can learn something from the locals, last i checked, So Cal isn’t a cheap place to live, yet the highest average benefit in so cal is 41k (which includes ss and med) that’s a number I can live with and since I pay my taxes in that county, I’m cool with it.

In the first article, look at the options. In 1999 and 2000, they didn’t set aside a nickel for pensions. Funny, I owned property those years, I don’t remember getting a discount on my property taxes those years

[temeculaguy]

An interesting article for pension haters, it turns out that amongst county workers, the highest paid pensioners work for Riverside County.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/swcounty/article_b2b26157-45bb-5376-8c47-2da04cc4bc71.html

partly because they participate in Social Security. They average, including social security and medical benefits……wait for it…..41k a year total. And that’s the highest paid county is So cal. ventura County was #2.

That wasn’t for ditch diggers, they looked at a few job classifications “The analysis looked at the retirement benefits of office assistants, equipment operators, social workers, deputy sheriffs, sheriff’s sergeants, sheriff’s captains, registered nurses and district attorney investigators.”

So at the end of the article, public outcry has caused reccomendations for them to reduce benefits to 60%, A rough estimate is about 24k a year. You people get your panties in a bunch over that.

But the same newspaper on the same day details the city manager of escondido making some 250k with benefits to 350k and 10 weeks of vacation a year.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_18f21509-f584-5f8a-8af8-57df0de321f5.html

In that second article, in the comments, someone brings up that the county CEO with 10x the employees and 25x the budget makes the same coin.

Now that makes no sense, but those few individuals only serve to inflame the public and sell newspapers, when the rank and file local gov’t folks aren’t getting what everyone is complaining about and yet those are the folks who will endure the biggest cuts.

maybe the fed and the state can learn something from the locals, last i checked, So Cal isn’t a cheap place to live, yet the highest average benefit in so cal is 41k (which includes ss and med) that’s a number I can live with and since I pay my taxes in that county, I’m cool with it.

In the first article, look at the options. In 1999 and 2000, they didn’t set aside a nickel for pensions. Funny, I owned property those years, I don’t remember getting a discount on my property taxes those years

[temeculaguy]

An interesting article for pension haters, it turns out that amongst county workers, the highest paid pensioners work for Riverside County.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/swcounty/article_b2b26157-45bb-5376-8c47-2da04cc4bc71.html

partly because they participate in Social Security. They average, including social security and medical benefits……wait for it…..41k a year total. And that’s the highest paid county is So cal. ventura County was #2.

That wasn’t for ditch diggers, they looked at a few job classifications “The analysis looked at the retirement benefits of office assistants, equipment operators, social workers, deputy sheriffs, sheriff’s sergeants, sheriff’s captains, registered nurses and district attorney investigators.”

So at the end of the article, public outcry has caused reccomendations for them to reduce benefits to 60%, A rough estimate is about 24k a year. You people get your panties in a bunch over that.

But the same newspaper on the same day details the city manager of escondido making some 250k with benefits to 350k and 10 weeks of vacation a year.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_18f21509-f584-5f8a-8af8-57df0de321f5.html

In that second article, in the comments, someone brings up that the county CEO with 10x the employees and 25x the budget makes the same coin.

Now that makes no sense, but those few individuals only serve to inflame the public and sell newspapers, when the rank and file local gov’t folks aren’t getting what everyone is complaining about and yet those are the folks who will endure the biggest cuts.

maybe the fed and the state can learn something from the locals, last i checked, So Cal isn’t a cheap place to live, yet the highest average benefit in so cal is 41k (which includes ss and med) that’s a number I can live with and since I pay my taxes in that county, I’m cool with it.

In the first article, look at the options. In 1999 and 2000, they didn’t set aside a nickel for pensions. Funny, I owned property those years, I don’t remember getting a discount on my property taxes those years

[temeculaguy]

Thanks to whoever revived this thread, I never read some of it. Love Casca’s, the cheese quotes were great, I had to look up “erudite bon vivant” but now I want to make it my license plate if I can figure out how to abbreviate it.

Josh/barnaby is much better at this than I, I usually write down his posts for future shopping trips. I did go to wine x in oc because of josh and sdrealtor and it took me two months to recover from my credit card bill, my pockets are safer in a casino filled with strippers than they are in that place, I went nuts, filled the car.

Josh’s best quote, his best concept is about how there is a level you reach when the wine is the meal’s centerpiece. It’s fun to get to that stage.

I did try the layer cake that arraya mentioned, I liked it, thanks. I also agree with josh’s call on Ruffino chianti. I’m not ready for Burgundy yet, I’ll save tht phase, I’m still in napa cab hell. Clos du Val (not to be confused with clos du bois) and Joe Phelps are still where my $30-$40 price point love lies.

[temeculaguy]

Thanks to whoever revived this thread, I never read some of it. Love Casca’s, the cheese quotes were great, I had to look up “erudite bon vivant” but now I want to make it my license plate if I can figure out how to abbreviate it.

Josh/barnaby is much better at this than I, I usually write down his posts for future shopping trips. I did go to wine x in oc because of josh and sdrealtor and it took me two months to recover from my credit card bill, my pockets are safer in a casino filled with strippers than they are in that place, I went nuts, filled the car.

Josh’s best quote, his best concept is about how there is a level you reach when the wine is the meal’s centerpiece. It’s fun to get to that stage.

I did try the layer cake that arraya mentioned, I liked it, thanks. I also agree with josh’s call on Ruffino chianti. I’m not ready for Burgundy yet, I’ll save tht phase, I’m still in napa cab hell. Clos du Val (not to be confused with clos du bois) and Joe Phelps are still where my $30-$40 price point love lies.

[temeculaguy]

Thanks to whoever revived this thread, I never read some of it. Love Casca’s, the cheese quotes were great, I had to look up “erudite bon vivant” but now I want to make it my license plate if I can figure out how to abbreviate it.

Josh/barnaby is much better at this than I, I usually write down his posts for future shopping trips. I did go to wine x in oc because of josh and sdrealtor and it took me two months to recover from my credit card bill, my pockets are safer in a casino filled with strippers than they are in that place, I went nuts, filled the car.

Josh’s best quote, his best concept is about how there is a level you reach when the wine is the meal’s centerpiece. It’s fun to get to that stage.

I did try the layer cake that arraya mentioned, I liked it, thanks. I also agree with josh’s call on Ruffino chianti. I’m not ready for Burgundy yet, I’ll save tht phase, I’m still in napa cab hell. Clos du Val (not to be confused with clos du bois) and Joe Phelps are still where my $30-$40 price point love lies.

[temeculaguy]

Thanks to whoever revived this thread, I never read some of it. Love Casca’s, the cheese quotes were great, I had to look up “erudite bon vivant” but now I want to make it my license plate if I can figure out how to abbreviate it.

Josh/barnaby is much better at this than I, I usually write down his posts for future shopping trips. I did go to wine x in oc because of josh and sdrealtor and it took me two months to recover from my credit card bill, my pockets are safer in a casino filled with strippers than they are in that place, I went nuts, filled the car.

Josh’s best quote, his best concept is about how there is a level you reach when the wine is the meal’s centerpiece. It’s fun to get to that stage.

I did try the layer cake that arraya mentioned, I liked it, thanks. I also agree with josh’s call on Ruffino chianti. I’m not ready for Burgundy yet, I’ll save tht phase, I’m still in napa cab hell. Clos du Val (not to be confused with clos du bois) and Joe Phelps are still where my $30-$40 price point love lies.

[temeculaguy]

Thanks to whoever revived this thread, I never read some of it. Love Casca’s, the cheese quotes were great, I had to look up “erudite bon vivant” but now I want to make it my license plate if I can figure out how to abbreviate it.

Josh/barnaby is much better at this than I, I usually write down his posts for future shopping trips. I did go to wine x in oc because of josh and sdrealtor and it took me two months to recover from my credit card bill, my pockets are safer in a casino filled with strippers than they are in that place, I went nuts, filled the car.

Josh’s best quote, his best concept is about how there is a level you reach when the wine is the meal’s centerpiece. It’s fun to get to that stage.

I did try the layer cake that arraya mentioned, I liked it, thanks. I also agree with josh’s call on Ruffino chianti. I’m not ready for Burgundy yet, I’ll save tht phase, I’m still in napa cab hell. Clos du Val (not to be confused with clos du bois) and Joe Phelps are still where my $30-$40 price point love lies.

[temeculaguy]

T, we are simpatico on most topics and I agree that your daughter is exceptional and your parenting is a fine example, but don’t dismiss technology so quickly, not for little ones today. Their world will be different. Also, math is different, it’s concrete, it has concepts that are less open to emotion, interpretation and discussion than other topics. It doesn’t require the same level of interaction. So I say do all of those things you mentioned, but allow technology to help with math and computers.

An example would be cell phones. My parents and i got cell phones on the same day about 15 years ago and have had them ever since. My kids have only had them for a short time. I can do most anything I need on my phone, I can get the weather, traffic while I’m driving, find a number for a take out place and call them one the way and do a hundred other things, I do not own a yellow or white pages. My address book, e-mail and schedule, all on the phone. My parents are bright and educated, but they got that technology too late in life, even though they have had more time than my kids to learn it, they can’t. They can both make calls on the phone and that’s about it. Maybe a text once a month, one of them still hasn’t quite gotten the hang of voice mail, so I dont bother leaving one. They are only in their mid sixties, it’s not going to get better, that’s their limit. They can work the internet, when one of them is driving they call the other one and have them check the traffic. I bought them both gps with traffic for a gift but neither can work it and they still call someone at a computer if they get stuck in traffic. I love them and have stopped trying to fix them, because they wont be around in fifty years, so they it’s ok if the world passes them by, but a four year old will be around in fifty years and will need some tech savvy.

My kids on the other hand, within an hour of getting their hands of their first iphones, can do anything and everything on their phones. This is their world and preparing them for their world and not mine is part of my job. Flu’s little girl is 12 years younger than mine, her world will be even more different.

It’s also impossible to not have a computer these days for a kid. My kids just went back to school and only got two textbooks each, their other classes went to online texts. It’s cheaper, lighter, easier to update, greener and you can’t lose it. This will only become more prevalent and when flu’s daughter is in high school, they wont even make textbooks anymore, I give textbooks five years, all other books ten. Computer and electronic readers like the ipad and kindle will have replaced them.

Another example is that when i was a young man, my grandfather died and i taught my grandma how to drive, she was in her 60’s and she never got the hang of it. She could get to the store and church, but that was about it. Her parents didn’t think it was neccesary to teach a girl how to drive, men did that. But the world changed and she got left behind. Appreciate the past but prepare for the future. TV is evil, but computers are a valuable tool and they aren’t going away.

[temeculaguy]

T, we are simpatico on most topics and I agree that your daughter is exceptional and your parenting is a fine example, but don’t dismiss technology so quickly, not for little ones today. Their world will be different. Also, math is different, it’s concrete, it has concepts that are less open to emotion, interpretation and discussion than other topics. It doesn’t require the same level of interaction. So I say do all of those things you mentioned, but allow technology to help with math and computers.

An example would be cell phones. My parents and i got cell phones on the same day about 15 years ago and have had them ever since. My kids have only had them for a short time. I can do most anything I need on my phone, I can get the weather, traffic while I’m driving, find a number for a take out place and call them one the way and do a hundred other things, I do not own a yellow or white pages. My address book, e-mail and schedule, all on the phone. My parents are bright and educated, but they got that technology too late in life, even though they have had more time than my kids to learn it, they can’t. They can both make calls on the phone and that’s about it. Maybe a text once a month, one of them still hasn’t quite gotten the hang of voice mail, so I dont bother leaving one. They are only in their mid sixties, it’s not going to get better, that’s their limit. They can work the internet, when one of them is driving they call the other one and have them check the traffic. I bought them both gps with traffic for a gift but neither can work it and they still call someone at a computer if they get stuck in traffic. I love them and have stopped trying to fix them, because they wont be around in fifty years, so they it’s ok if the world passes them by, but a four year old will be around in fifty years and will need some tech savvy.

My kids on the other hand, within an hour of getting their hands of their first iphones, can do anything and everything on their phones. This is their world and preparing them for their world and not mine is part of my job. Flu’s little girl is 12 years younger than mine, her world will be even more different.

It’s also impossible to not have a computer these days for a kid. My kids just went back to school and only got two textbooks each, their other classes went to online texts. It’s cheaper, lighter, easier to update, greener and you can’t lose it. This will only become more prevalent and when flu’s daughter is in high school, they wont even make textbooks anymore, I give textbooks five years, all other books ten. Computer and electronic readers like the ipad and kindle will have replaced them.

Another example is that when i was a young man, my grandfather died and i taught my grandma how to drive, she was in her 60’s and she never got the hang of it. She could get to the store and church, but that was about it. Her parents didn’t think it was neccesary to teach a girl how to drive, men did that. But the world changed and she got left behind. Appreciate the past but prepare for the future. TV is evil, but computers are a valuable tool and they aren’t going away.

[temeculaguy]

T, we are simpatico on most topics and I agree that your daughter is exceptional and your parenting is a fine example, but don’t dismiss technology so quickly, not for little ones today. Their world will be different. Also, math is different, it’s concrete, it has concepts that are less open to emotion, interpretation and discussion than other topics. It doesn’t require the same level of interaction. So I say do all of those things you mentioned, but allow technology to help with math and computers.

An example would be cell phones. My parents and i got cell phones on the same day about 15 years ago and have had them ever since. My kids have only had them for a short time. I can do most anything I need on my phone, I can get the weather, traffic while I’m driving, find a number for a take out place and call them one the way and do a hundred other things, I do not own a yellow or white pages. My address book, e-mail and schedule, all on the phone. My parents are bright and educated, but they got that technology too late in life, even though they have had more time than my kids to learn it, they can’t. They can both make calls on the phone and that’s about it. Maybe a text once a month, one of them still hasn’t quite gotten the hang of voice mail, so I dont bother leaving one. They are only in their mid sixties, it’s not going to get better, that’s their limit. They can work the internet, when one of them is driving they call the other one and have them check the traffic. I bought them both gps with traffic for a gift but neither can work it and they still call someone at a computer if they get stuck in traffic. I love them and have stopped trying to fix them, because they wont be around in fifty years, so they it’s ok if the world passes them by, but a four year old will be around in fifty years and will need some tech savvy.

My kids on the other hand, within an hour of getting their hands of their first iphones, can do anything and everything on their phones. This is their world and preparing them for their world and not mine is part of my job. Flu’s little girl is 12 years younger than mine, her world will be even more different.

It’s also impossible to not have a computer these days for a kid. My kids just went back to school and only got two textbooks each, their other classes went to online texts. It’s cheaper, lighter, easier to update, greener and you can’t lose it. This will only become more prevalent and when flu’s daughter is in high school, they wont even make textbooks anymore, I give textbooks five years, all other books ten. Computer and electronic readers like the ipad and kindle will have replaced them.

Another example is that when i was a young man, my grandfather died and i taught my grandma how to drive, she was in her 60’s and she never got the hang of it. She could get to the store and church, but that was about it. Her parents didn’t think it was neccesary to teach a girl how to drive, men did that. But the world changed and she got left behind. Appreciate the past but prepare for the future. TV is evil, but computers are a valuable tool and they aren’t going away.

[temeculaguy]

T, we are simpatico on most topics and I agree that your daughter is exceptional and your parenting is a fine example, but don’t dismiss technology so quickly, not for little ones today. Their world will be different. Also, math is different, it’s concrete, it has concepts that are less open to emotion, interpretation and discussion than other topics. It doesn’t require the same level of interaction. So I say do all of those things you mentioned, but allow technology to help with math and computers.

An example would be cell phones. My parents and i got cell phones on the same day about 15 years ago and have had them ever since. My kids have only had them for a short time. I can do most anything I need on my phone, I can get the weather, traffic while I’m driving, find a number for a take out place and call them one the way and do a hundred other things, I do not own a yellow or white pages. My address book, e-mail and schedule, all on the phone. My parents are bright and educated, but they got that technology too late in life, even though they have had more time than my kids to learn it, they can’t. They can both make calls on the phone and that’s about it. Maybe a text once a month, one of them still hasn’t quite gotten the hang of voice mail, so I dont bother leaving one. They are only in their mid sixties, it’s not going to get better, that’s their limit. They can work the internet, when one of them is driving they call the other one and have them check the traffic. I bought them both gps with traffic for a gift but neither can work it and they still call someone at a computer if they get stuck in traffic. I love them and have stopped trying to fix them, because they wont be around in fifty years, so they it’s ok if the world passes them by, but a four year old will be around in fifty years and will need some tech savvy.

My kids on the other hand, within an hour of getting their hands of their first iphones, can do anything and everything on their phones. This is their world and preparing them for their world and not mine is part of my job. Flu’s little girl is 12 years younger than mine, her world will be even more different.

It’s also impossible to not have a computer these days for a kid. My kids just went back to school and only got two textbooks each, their other classes went to online texts. It’s cheaper, lighter, easier to update, greener and you can’t lose it. This will only become more prevalent and when flu’s daughter is in high school, they wont even make textbooks anymore, I give textbooks five years, all other books ten. Computer and electronic readers like the ipad and kindle will have replaced them.

Another example is that when i was a young man, my grandfather died and i taught my grandma how to drive, she was in her 60’s and she never got the hang of it. She could get to the store and church, but that was about it. Her parents didn’t think it was neccesary to teach a girl how to drive, men did that. But the world changed and she got left behind. Appreciate the past but prepare for the future. TV is evil, but computers are a valuable tool and they aren’t going away.

[temeculaguy]

T, we are simpatico on most topics and I agree that your daughter is exceptional and your parenting is a fine example, but don’t dismiss technology so quickly, not for little ones today. Their world will be different. Also, math is different, it’s concrete, it has concepts that are less open to emotion, interpretation and discussion than other topics. It doesn’t require the same level of interaction. So I say do all of those things you mentioned, but allow technology to help with math and computers.

An example would be cell phones. My parents and i got cell phones on the same day about 15 years ago and have had them ever since. My kids have only had them for a short time. I can do most anything I need on my phone, I can get the weather, traffic while I’m driving, find a number for a take out place and call them one the way and do a hundred other things, I do not own a yellow or white pages. My address book, e-mail and schedule, all on the phone. My parents are bright and educated, but they got that technology too late in life, even though they have had more time than my kids to learn it, they can’t. They can both make calls on the phone and that’s about it. Maybe a text once a month, one of them still hasn’t quite gotten the hang of voice mail, so I dont bother leaving one. They are only in their mid sixties, it’s not going to get better, that’s their limit. They can work the internet, when one of them is driving they call the other one and have them check the traffic. I bought them both gps with traffic for a gift but neither can work it and they still call someone at a computer if they get stuck in traffic. I love them and have stopped trying to fix them, because they wont be around in fifty years, so they it’s ok if the world passes them by, but a four year old will be around in fifty years and will need some tech savvy.

My kids on the other hand, within an hour of getting their hands of their first iphones, can do anything and everything on their phones. This is their world and preparing them for their world and not mine is part of my job. Flu’s little girl is 12 years younger than mine, her world will be even more different.

It’s also impossible to not have a computer these days for a kid. My kids just went back to school and only got two textbooks each, their other classes went to online texts. It’s cheaper, lighter, easier to update, greener and you can’t lose it. This will only become more prevalent and when flu’s daughter is in high school, they wont even make textbooks anymore, I give textbooks five years, all other books ten. Computer and electronic readers like the ipad and kindle will have replaced them.

Another example is that when i was a young man, my grandfather died and i taught my grandma how to drive, she was in her 60’s and she never got the hang of it. She could get to the store and church, but that was about it. Her parents didn’t think it was neccesary to teach a girl how to drive, men did that. But the world changed and she got left behind. Appreciate the past but prepare for the future. TV is evil, but computers are a valuable tool and they aren’t going away.

[temeculaguy]

flu, that last sentence made me laugh. I absolutely guarantee you will screw up your kid, it’s impossible not to. The trick is not to screw them up too bad or to just screw them up in ways that wont interfere with their happiness as adults.
The fact that you care and you have a sense of humor about makes me think it will be just fine.

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