[temeculaguy]

It is actually really old, some of the buildings from the 1800’s still stand, but many are new and keep to that style. Obviously many of the old buildings needed rennovations over the year, perhaps they made them look too new. From my research that you inspired, it turns out that lots of places burned down back in those days and the fire department was not as effective in those days, since it consisted of people with buckets.

You can read about it here

http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/history.html

To summarize, old town was moved to it’s current location in 1880 because the railroad came through there, prior to that is had been a bout 3 miles east. I think the bank (which is now a mexican restraunt named the bank), a hotel, a store and a few other places are original from 1880. The pre-1880 store is still in place but that’s about it for the pre 1880 town, it’s just not near what people know as old town. The map of old town in 1884 is pretty much the same as it is today, street names and such are the same http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/temecula.html

One of the reasons it existed was that it had water and was on the stagecoach route from the east to San Francisco. They would change horses here, many stages did not go to san diego or even L.A., in those days San Fran was the big city. When the railroads replaced the stages, the shops moved to the r/r stop, which is where it still is today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfield_Overland_Mail

Another little known fact, it was part of San Diego county until 1893.

The short answer, shortimer, is yes, sorry to tell you, but you are kinda wrong, it really is an old town and was one of the few towns on the map of so cal in the 1800’s.

[temeculaguy]

It is actually really old, some of the buildings from the 1800’s still stand, but many are new and keep to that style. Obviously many of the old buildings needed rennovations over the year, perhaps they made them look too new. From my research that you inspired, it turns out that lots of places burned down back in those days and the fire department was not as effective in those days, since it consisted of people with buckets.

You can read about it here

http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/history.html

To summarize, old town was moved to it’s current location in 1880 because the railroad came through there, prior to that is had been a bout 3 miles east. I think the bank (which is now a mexican restraunt named the bank), a hotel, a store and a few other places are original from 1880. The pre-1880 store is still in place but that’s about it for the pre 1880 town, it’s just not near what people know as old town. The map of old town in 1884 is pretty much the same as it is today, street names and such are the same http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/temecula.html

One of the reasons it existed was that it had water and was on the stagecoach route from the east to San Francisco. They would change horses here, many stages did not go to san diego or even L.A., in those days San Fran was the big city. When the railroads replaced the stages, the shops moved to the r/r stop, which is where it still is today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfield_Overland_Mail

Another little known fact, it was part of San Diego county until 1893.

The short answer, shortimer, is yes, sorry to tell you, but you are kinda wrong, it really is an old town and was one of the few towns on the map of so cal in the 1800’s.

[temeculaguy]

It is actually really old, some of the buildings from the 1800’s still stand, but many are new and keep to that style. Obviously many of the old buildings needed rennovations over the year, perhaps they made them look too new. From my research that you inspired, it turns out that lots of places burned down back in those days and the fire department was not as effective in those days, since it consisted of people with buckets.

You can read about it here

http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/history.html

To summarize, old town was moved to it’s current location in 1880 because the railroad came through there, prior to that is had been a bout 3 miles east. I think the bank (which is now a mexican restraunt named the bank), a hotel, a store and a few other places are original from 1880. The pre-1880 store is still in place but that’s about it for the pre 1880 town, it’s just not near what people know as old town. The map of old town in 1884 is pretty much the same as it is today, street names and such are the same http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/temecula.html

One of the reasons it existed was that it had water and was on the stagecoach route from the east to San Francisco. They would change horses here, many stages did not go to san diego or even L.A., in those days San Fran was the big city. When the railroads replaced the stages, the shops moved to the r/r stop, which is where it still is today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfield_Overland_Mail

Another little known fact, it was part of San Diego county until 1893.

The short answer, shortimer, is yes, sorry to tell you, but you are kinda wrong, it really is an old town and was one of the few towns on the map of so cal in the 1800’s.

[temeculaguy]

It is actually really old, some of the buildings from the 1800’s still stand, but many are new and keep to that style. Obviously many of the old buildings needed rennovations over the year, perhaps they made them look too new. From my research that you inspired, it turns out that lots of places burned down back in those days and the fire department was not as effective in those days, since it consisted of people with buckets.

You can read about it here

http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/history.html

To summarize, old town was moved to it’s current location in 1880 because the railroad came through there, prior to that is had been a bout 3 miles east. I think the bank (which is now a mexican restraunt named the bank), a hotel, a store and a few other places are original from 1880. The pre-1880 store is still in place but that’s about it for the pre 1880 town, it’s just not near what people know as old town. The map of old town in 1884 is pretty much the same as it is today, street names and such are the same http://www.temeculahistoricalsociety.org/temecula.html

One of the reasons it existed was that it had water and was on the stagecoach route from the east to San Francisco. They would change horses here, many stages did not go to san diego or even L.A., in those days San Fran was the big city. When the railroads replaced the stages, the shops moved to the r/r stop, which is where it still is today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfield_Overland_Mail

Another little known fact, it was part of San Diego county until 1893.

The short answer, shortimer, is yes, sorry to tell you, but you are kinda wrong, it really is an old town and was one of the few towns on the map of so cal in the 1800’s.

[temeculaguy]

I agree with the bathroom for every bedroom, in fact it should be +1. Same goes for garages, One garage for every bedroom +1. A 3 br house should have 4 baths and a 4 car garage. I looked for that house but couldn’t find it, had to get a 5 br with formal living and dining rooms of which I didn’t need.

I know a guy with a wife and three daughters who owns a 4br/1ba, 1 car garage that was built fifty years ago. He’s in “man hell” and he pees in the backyard every day (actually that’s the only benefit).

The bathroom/garage ratio is a lifestyle thing, albeit one that probably wont last forever in my case. I have a teenage boy and girl. The three of us get ready for bed and work/school about the same time each day, we are also approaching the time where we will each have a car, plus i have a work car. We only need three bedrooms, one livingroom and one dining area, but we could each use a shower and a garage space, plus a bathroom for guests and a garage space for a workshop. I don’t want guests to be subjected to a teenager’s bathroom and i refuse to clean it. They shared a tiny bathroom for a few years while we rented, it had no counter space, one little cupboard, no drawers and the toilet and shower was in the same little room with the sink. May daughter eventually took over the second sink in my bathroom because there was no place for a curling iron on her “counterless” sink. Pedestal style sinks and minimalist ones look cool but are a pain. Girls have stuff, even those that wear very littl make-up have curling irons and hair dryers and other chick stuff. They could share a bathroom if it was the two room kind, where the toilet and shower are separated by a door from the sink area. It’s hard to find that in secondary baths. Now they each have a two room bathroom to themselves and they each have two sinks of their own and it is fantastic compared to the sharing days.

I also have two cars and a workshop, so the three car garage is all mine, kid cars have to park on the street.

I had to get a mcmansion to find what I wanted with regards to bathrooms and garages, but I could have gotten what I wanted in a home under 2000 sq feet if i could design it myself. I have no use for the three livingrooms and two dining rooms, one of each is fine, but in order to get the bathrooms and garages, you get stuck with the other stuff, just the way it is.

[temeculaguy]

I agree with the bathroom for every bedroom, in fact it should be +1. Same goes for garages, One garage for every bedroom +1. A 3 br house should have 4 baths and a 4 car garage. I looked for that house but couldn’t find it, had to get a 5 br with formal living and dining rooms of which I didn’t need.

I know a guy with a wife and three daughters who owns a 4br/1ba, 1 car garage that was built fifty years ago. He’s in “man hell” and he pees in the backyard every day (actually that’s the only benefit).

The bathroom/garage ratio is a lifestyle thing, albeit one that probably wont last forever in my case. I have a teenage boy and girl. The three of us get ready for bed and work/school about the same time each day, we are also approaching the time where we will each have a car, plus i have a work car. We only need three bedrooms, one livingroom and one dining area, but we could each use a shower and a garage space, plus a bathroom for guests and a garage space for a workshop. I don’t want guests to be subjected to a teenager’s bathroom and i refuse to clean it. They shared a tiny bathroom for a few years while we rented, it had no counter space, one little cupboard, no drawers and the toilet and shower was in the same little room with the sink. May daughter eventually took over the second sink in my bathroom because there was no place for a curling iron on her “counterless” sink. Pedestal style sinks and minimalist ones look cool but are a pain. Girls have stuff, even those that wear very littl make-up have curling irons and hair dryers and other chick stuff. They could share a bathroom if it was the two room kind, where the toilet and shower are separated by a door from the sink area. It’s hard to find that in secondary baths. Now they each have a two room bathroom to themselves and they each have two sinks of their own and it is fantastic compared to the sharing days.

I also have two cars and a workshop, so the three car garage is all mine, kid cars have to park on the street.

I had to get a mcmansion to find what I wanted with regards to bathrooms and garages, but I could have gotten what I wanted in a home under 2000 sq feet if i could design it myself. I have no use for the three livingrooms and two dining rooms, one of each is fine, but in order to get the bathrooms and garages, you get stuck with the other stuff, just the way it is.

[temeculaguy]

I agree with the bathroom for every bedroom, in fact it should be +1. Same goes for garages, One garage for every bedroom +1. A 3 br house should have 4 baths and a 4 car garage. I looked for that house but couldn’t find it, had to get a 5 br with formal living and dining rooms of which I didn’t need.

I know a guy with a wife and three daughters who owns a 4br/1ba, 1 car garage that was built fifty years ago. He’s in “man hell” and he pees in the backyard every day (actually that’s the only benefit).

The bathroom/garage ratio is a lifestyle thing, albeit one that probably wont last forever in my case. I have a teenage boy and girl. The three of us get ready for bed and work/school about the same time each day, we are also approaching the time where we will each have a car, plus i have a work car. We only need three bedrooms, one livingroom and one dining area, but we could each use a shower and a garage space, plus a bathroom for guests and a garage space for a workshop. I don’t want guests to be subjected to a teenager’s bathroom and i refuse to clean it. They shared a tiny bathroom for a few years while we rented, it had no counter space, one little cupboard, no drawers and the toilet and shower was in the same little room with the sink. May daughter eventually took over the second sink in my bathroom because there was no place for a curling iron on her “counterless” sink. Pedestal style sinks and minimalist ones look cool but are a pain. Girls have stuff, even those that wear very littl make-up have curling irons and hair dryers and other chick stuff. They could share a bathroom if it was the two room kind, where the toilet and shower are separated by a door from the sink area. It’s hard to find that in secondary baths. Now they each have a two room bathroom to themselves and they each have two sinks of their own and it is fantastic compared to the sharing days.

I also have two cars and a workshop, so the three car garage is all mine, kid cars have to park on the street.

I had to get a mcmansion to find what I wanted with regards to bathrooms and garages, but I could have gotten what I wanted in a home under 2000 sq feet if i could design it myself. I have no use for the three livingrooms and two dining rooms, one of each is fine, but in order to get the bathrooms and garages, you get stuck with the other stuff, just the way it is.

[temeculaguy]

I agree with the bathroom for every bedroom, in fact it should be +1. Same goes for garages, One garage for every bedroom +1. A 3 br house should have 4 baths and a 4 car garage. I looked for that house but couldn’t find it, had to get a 5 br with formal living and dining rooms of which I didn’t need.

I know a guy with a wife and three daughters who owns a 4br/1ba, 1 car garage that was built fifty years ago. He’s in “man hell” and he pees in the backyard every day (actually that’s the only benefit).

The bathroom/garage ratio is a lifestyle thing, albeit one that probably wont last forever in my case. I have a teenage boy and girl. The three of us get ready for bed and work/school about the same time each day, we are also approaching the time where we will each have a car, plus i have a work car. We only need three bedrooms, one livingroom and one dining area, but we could each use a shower and a garage space, plus a bathroom for guests and a garage space for a workshop. I don’t want guests to be subjected to a teenager’s bathroom and i refuse to clean it. They shared a tiny bathroom for a few years while we rented, it had no counter space, one little cupboard, no drawers and the toilet and shower was in the same little room with the sink. May daughter eventually took over the second sink in my bathroom because there was no place for a curling iron on her “counterless” sink. Pedestal style sinks and minimalist ones look cool but are a pain. Girls have stuff, even those that wear very littl make-up have curling irons and hair dryers and other chick stuff. They could share a bathroom if it was the two room kind, where the toilet and shower are separated by a door from the sink area. It’s hard to find that in secondary baths. Now they each have a two room bathroom to themselves and they each have two sinks of their own and it is fantastic compared to the sharing days.

I also have two cars and a workshop, so the three car garage is all mine, kid cars have to park on the street.

I had to get a mcmansion to find what I wanted with regards to bathrooms and garages, but I could have gotten what I wanted in a home under 2000 sq feet if i could design it myself. I have no use for the three livingrooms and two dining rooms, one of each is fine, but in order to get the bathrooms and garages, you get stuck with the other stuff, just the way it is.

[temeculaguy]

I agree with the bathroom for every bedroom, in fact it should be +1. Same goes for garages, One garage for every bedroom +1. A 3 br house should have 4 baths and a 4 car garage. I looked for that house but couldn’t find it, had to get a 5 br with formal living and dining rooms of which I didn’t need.

I know a guy with a wife and three daughters who owns a 4br/1ba, 1 car garage that was built fifty years ago. He’s in “man hell” and he pees in the backyard every day (actually that’s the only benefit).

The bathroom/garage ratio is a lifestyle thing, albeit one that probably wont last forever in my case. I have a teenage boy and girl. The three of us get ready for bed and work/school about the same time each day, we are also approaching the time where we will each have a car, plus i have a work car. We only need three bedrooms, one livingroom and one dining area, but we could each use a shower and a garage space, plus a bathroom for guests and a garage space for a workshop. I don’t want guests to be subjected to a teenager’s bathroom and i refuse to clean it. They shared a tiny bathroom for a few years while we rented, it had no counter space, one little cupboard, no drawers and the toilet and shower was in the same little room with the sink. May daughter eventually took over the second sink in my bathroom because there was no place for a curling iron on her “counterless” sink. Pedestal style sinks and minimalist ones look cool but are a pain. Girls have stuff, even those that wear very littl make-up have curling irons and hair dryers and other chick stuff. They could share a bathroom if it was the two room kind, where the toilet and shower are separated by a door from the sink area. It’s hard to find that in secondary baths. Now they each have a two room bathroom to themselves and they each have two sinks of their own and it is fantastic compared to the sharing days.

I also have two cars and a workshop, so the three car garage is all mine, kid cars have to park on the street.

I had to get a mcmansion to find what I wanted with regards to bathrooms and garages, but I could have gotten what I wanted in a home under 2000 sq feet if i could design it myself. I have no use for the three livingrooms and two dining rooms, one of each is fine, but in order to get the bathrooms and garages, you get stuck with the other stuff, just the way it is.

[temeculaguy]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=mike92104]I was introduced to Gewürztraminer the other day. I liked it. Nice, sweet wine that was kind of refreshing.[/quote]

One of my absolute FAV grapes :=)![/quote]

Or as Josh would say, Phase 1. Just promise me you won’t stay too long in that phase. Gwrtz and Pinot Grigio will eventually evoke nausea, enjoy it while it lasts. Bearishgirl, you are close to my age, it hurts to hear you say that, we gotta get you up here to try something from Phase 2.

CB, glad to see that you noticed the difference with aeration, you are on your way. Menage is a bit fruit forward but I’m no stranger to it for daily drink and at $6 at costco, I rate it as a “buy.” But it’s clearly phase 2 stuff, you are ready for the next phase, the wallet crushing phase. Once the $10 price point is breached, you will be chasing the rabbit down the hole for a while. Dig in and savor phase 2, it becomes a “car payment” after that.

[temeculaguy]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=mike92104]I was introduced to Gewürztraminer the other day. I liked it. Nice, sweet wine that was kind of refreshing.[/quote]

One of my absolute FAV grapes :=)![/quote]

Or as Josh would say, Phase 1. Just promise me you won’t stay too long in that phase. Gwrtz and Pinot Grigio will eventually evoke nausea, enjoy it while it lasts. Bearishgirl, you are close to my age, it hurts to hear you say that, we gotta get you up here to try something from Phase 2.

CB, glad to see that you noticed the difference with aeration, you are on your way. Menage is a bit fruit forward but I’m no stranger to it for daily drink and at $6 at costco, I rate it as a “buy.” But it’s clearly phase 2 stuff, you are ready for the next phase, the wallet crushing phase. Once the $10 price point is breached, you will be chasing the rabbit down the hole for a while. Dig in and savor phase 2, it becomes a “car payment” after that.

[temeculaguy]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=mike92104]I was introduced to Gewürztraminer the other day. I liked it. Nice, sweet wine that was kind of refreshing.[/quote]

One of my absolute FAV grapes :=)![/quote]

Or as Josh would say, Phase 1. Just promise me you won’t stay too long in that phase. Gwrtz and Pinot Grigio will eventually evoke nausea, enjoy it while it lasts. Bearishgirl, you are close to my age, it hurts to hear you say that, we gotta get you up here to try something from Phase 2.

CB, glad to see that you noticed the difference with aeration, you are on your way. Menage is a bit fruit forward but I’m no stranger to it for daily drink and at $6 at costco, I rate it as a “buy.” But it’s clearly phase 2 stuff, you are ready for the next phase, the wallet crushing phase. Once the $10 price point is breached, you will be chasing the rabbit down the hole for a while. Dig in and savor phase 2, it becomes a “car payment” after that.

[temeculaguy]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=mike92104]I was introduced to Gewürztraminer the other day. I liked it. Nice, sweet wine that was kind of refreshing.[/quote]

One of my absolute FAV grapes :=)![/quote]

Or as Josh would say, Phase 1. Just promise me you won’t stay too long in that phase. Gwrtz and Pinot Grigio will eventually evoke nausea, enjoy it while it lasts. Bearishgirl, you are close to my age, it hurts to hear you say that, we gotta get you up here to try something from Phase 2.

CB, glad to see that you noticed the difference with aeration, you are on your way. Menage is a bit fruit forward but I’m no stranger to it for daily drink and at $6 at costco, I rate it as a “buy.” But it’s clearly phase 2 stuff, you are ready for the next phase, the wallet crushing phase. Once the $10 price point is breached, you will be chasing the rabbit down the hole for a while. Dig in and savor phase 2, it becomes a “car payment” after that.

[temeculaguy]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=mike92104]I was introduced to Gewürztraminer the other day. I liked it. Nice, sweet wine that was kind of refreshing.[/quote]

One of my absolute FAV grapes :=)![/quote]

Or as Josh would say, Phase 1. Just promise me you won’t stay too long in that phase. Gwrtz and Pinot Grigio will eventually evoke nausea, enjoy it while it lasts. Bearishgirl, you are close to my age, it hurts to hear you say that, we gotta get you up here to try something from Phase 2.

CB, glad to see that you noticed the difference with aeration, you are on your way. Menage is a bit fruit forward but I’m no stranger to it for daily drink and at $6 at costco, I rate it as a “buy.” But it’s clearly phase 2 stuff, you are ready for the next phase, the wallet crushing phase. Once the $10 price point is breached, you will be chasing the rabbit down the hole for a while. Dig in and savor phase 2, it becomes a “car payment” after that.

[temeculaguy]

An interesting article for pension haters, it turns out that amongst county workers, the highest paid pensioners work for Riverside County.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/swcounty/article_b2b26157-45bb-5376-8c47-2da04cc4bc71.html

partly because they participate in Social Security. They average, including social security and medical benefits……wait for it…..41k a year total. And that’s the highest paid county is So cal. ventura County was #2.

That wasn’t for ditch diggers, they looked at a few job classifications “The analysis looked at the retirement benefits of office assistants, equipment operators, social workers, deputy sheriffs, sheriff’s sergeants, sheriff’s captains, registered nurses and district attorney investigators.”

So at the end of the article, public outcry has caused reccomendations for them to reduce benefits to 60%, A rough estimate is about 24k a year. You people get your panties in a bunch over that.

But the same newspaper on the same day details the city manager of escondido making some 250k with benefits to 350k and 10 weeks of vacation a year.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_18f21509-f584-5f8a-8af8-57df0de321f5.html

In that second article, in the comments, someone brings up that the county CEO with 10x the employees and 25x the budget makes the same coin.

Now that makes no sense, but those few individuals only serve to inflame the public and sell newspapers, when the rank and file local gov’t folks aren’t getting what everyone is complaining about and yet those are the folks who will endure the biggest cuts.

maybe the fed and the state can learn something from the locals, last i checked, So Cal isn’t a cheap place to live, yet the highest average benefit in so cal is 41k (which includes ss and med) that’s a number I can live with and since I pay my taxes in that county, I’m cool with it.

In the first article, look at the options. In 1999 and 2000, they didn’t set aside a nickel for pensions. Funny, I owned property those years, I don’t remember getting a discount on my property taxes those years

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