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temeculaguy
ParticipantD R Horton just sent me an almost identical e-mail, very doom and gloom, down payments are doubling, zero down has taken it’s last gasp. I wonder if it will affect them or this is just another “hurry and buy” tactic.
With regards to stan pac, I didn’t think they’d last this long, their stock has had a few pops but usually stays around $3 a share, while it’s quarterly losses are huge and it’s borrowing costs are horrible. I guess the second half of the year will be a telling time.
temeculaguy
ParticipantD R Horton just sent me an almost identical e-mail, very doom and gloom, down payments are doubling, zero down has taken it’s last gasp. I wonder if it will affect them or this is just another “hurry and buy” tactic.
With regards to stan pac, I didn’t think they’d last this long, their stock has had a few pops but usually stays around $3 a share, while it’s quarterly losses are huge and it’s borrowing costs are horrible. I guess the second half of the year will be a telling time.
temeculaguy
ParticipantD R Horton just sent me an almost identical e-mail, very doom and gloom, down payments are doubling, zero down has taken it’s last gasp. I wonder if it will affect them or this is just another “hurry and buy” tactic.
With regards to stan pac, I didn’t think they’d last this long, their stock has had a few pops but usually stays around $3 a share, while it’s quarterly losses are huge and it’s borrowing costs are horrible. I guess the second half of the year will be a telling time.
temeculaguy
ParticipantHarry, sdrealtor’s comment is actually not a sarcastic one, the urban renewal crowd would consider the entirety of the oc as suburbia. They aren’t just talking about working in one county and living in another, they are talking about living where cars are not needed at all, the type of urban living found in the downtown of european and east coast cities. Where you live, go to school, work and recreate within a mile or two radius. The west coast living is very “zoned” and the terrain isn’t always flat. Living spaces are not above businesses, shops and houses rarely co-exist, open space is not always shared and people want their own pool, yard, etc.
we’ve all visited cities like that, where someone can walk from their house to the store, to a bar and to a park. Most of choose not to live that way.
I’ve listened to these people, to put a regional spin on it, they believe that everyone in Poway, 4-s and carmel valley will choose to live in the shadows of skyscrapers, within a mile or two of downtown and I say they wont. They wont all commute an hour to the exhurbs, but they arent going to take over North Park, Hillcrest or areas within biking range of the city. Those areas near downtown aren’t all ghettos and they arent much cheaper or more expensive that suburbs 10 or 15 miles away, but the suburbs give families something they dont get near the city, something they want, something they will pay for and drive for. The same can be said for the coastal communities, those residents live there because they like it, they would rather hear the ocean than sirens, they get their energy from the water not from the concrete, some of us like seeing mountains out our window, most californians are a little weird that way and the rest of the world cant understand it. The “people for a perfect world” want every city to look like London, where they fail to understand is that we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.
Americans have entirely invented or been a major contributor to every advancement in technology this century. Great minds from the world over tend to migrate here and collaborate. Airplanes, cars, telephones, telegraphs, electricity, computers, refrigerators, coffe pots, space travel, toilet paper, light bulbs, revolvers, machine guns, microwave ovens and my personal favorite, the oral contraceptive pill. This is what we do. If something is important enough to us, if we really want it, someone figures it out. Renewable energy will just be another chapter now that it has become a priority.
temeculaguy
ParticipantHarry, sdrealtor’s comment is actually not a sarcastic one, the urban renewal crowd would consider the entirety of the oc as suburbia. They aren’t just talking about working in one county and living in another, they are talking about living where cars are not needed at all, the type of urban living found in the downtown of european and east coast cities. Where you live, go to school, work and recreate within a mile or two radius. The west coast living is very “zoned” and the terrain isn’t always flat. Living spaces are not above businesses, shops and houses rarely co-exist, open space is not always shared and people want their own pool, yard, etc.
we’ve all visited cities like that, where someone can walk from their house to the store, to a bar and to a park. Most of choose not to live that way.
I’ve listened to these people, to put a regional spin on it, they believe that everyone in Poway, 4-s and carmel valley will choose to live in the shadows of skyscrapers, within a mile or two of downtown and I say they wont. They wont all commute an hour to the exhurbs, but they arent going to take over North Park, Hillcrest or areas within biking range of the city. Those areas near downtown aren’t all ghettos and they arent much cheaper or more expensive that suburbs 10 or 15 miles away, but the suburbs give families something they dont get near the city, something they want, something they will pay for and drive for. The same can be said for the coastal communities, those residents live there because they like it, they would rather hear the ocean than sirens, they get their energy from the water not from the concrete, some of us like seeing mountains out our window, most californians are a little weird that way and the rest of the world cant understand it. The “people for a perfect world” want every city to look like London, where they fail to understand is that we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.
Americans have entirely invented or been a major contributor to every advancement in technology this century. Great minds from the world over tend to migrate here and collaborate. Airplanes, cars, telephones, telegraphs, electricity, computers, refrigerators, coffe pots, space travel, toilet paper, light bulbs, revolvers, machine guns, microwave ovens and my personal favorite, the oral contraceptive pill. This is what we do. If something is important enough to us, if we really want it, someone figures it out. Renewable energy will just be another chapter now that it has become a priority.
temeculaguy
ParticipantHarry, sdrealtor’s comment is actually not a sarcastic one, the urban renewal crowd would consider the entirety of the oc as suburbia. They aren’t just talking about working in one county and living in another, they are talking about living where cars are not needed at all, the type of urban living found in the downtown of european and east coast cities. Where you live, go to school, work and recreate within a mile or two radius. The west coast living is very “zoned” and the terrain isn’t always flat. Living spaces are not above businesses, shops and houses rarely co-exist, open space is not always shared and people want their own pool, yard, etc.
we’ve all visited cities like that, where someone can walk from their house to the store, to a bar and to a park. Most of choose not to live that way.
I’ve listened to these people, to put a regional spin on it, they believe that everyone in Poway, 4-s and carmel valley will choose to live in the shadows of skyscrapers, within a mile or two of downtown and I say they wont. They wont all commute an hour to the exhurbs, but they arent going to take over North Park, Hillcrest or areas within biking range of the city. Those areas near downtown aren’t all ghettos and they arent much cheaper or more expensive that suburbs 10 or 15 miles away, but the suburbs give families something they dont get near the city, something they want, something they will pay for and drive for. The same can be said for the coastal communities, those residents live there because they like it, they would rather hear the ocean than sirens, they get their energy from the water not from the concrete, some of us like seeing mountains out our window, most californians are a little weird that way and the rest of the world cant understand it. The “people for a perfect world” want every city to look like London, where they fail to understand is that we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.
Americans have entirely invented or been a major contributor to every advancement in technology this century. Great minds from the world over tend to migrate here and collaborate. Airplanes, cars, telephones, telegraphs, electricity, computers, refrigerators, coffe pots, space travel, toilet paper, light bulbs, revolvers, machine guns, microwave ovens and my personal favorite, the oral contraceptive pill. This is what we do. If something is important enough to us, if we really want it, someone figures it out. Renewable energy will just be another chapter now that it has become a priority.
temeculaguy
ParticipantHarry, sdrealtor’s comment is actually not a sarcastic one, the urban renewal crowd would consider the entirety of the oc as suburbia. They aren’t just talking about working in one county and living in another, they are talking about living where cars are not needed at all, the type of urban living found in the downtown of european and east coast cities. Where you live, go to school, work and recreate within a mile or two radius. The west coast living is very “zoned” and the terrain isn’t always flat. Living spaces are not above businesses, shops and houses rarely co-exist, open space is not always shared and people want their own pool, yard, etc.
we’ve all visited cities like that, where someone can walk from their house to the store, to a bar and to a park. Most of choose not to live that way.
I’ve listened to these people, to put a regional spin on it, they believe that everyone in Poway, 4-s and carmel valley will choose to live in the shadows of skyscrapers, within a mile or two of downtown and I say they wont. They wont all commute an hour to the exhurbs, but they arent going to take over North Park, Hillcrest or areas within biking range of the city. Those areas near downtown aren’t all ghettos and they arent much cheaper or more expensive that suburbs 10 or 15 miles away, but the suburbs give families something they dont get near the city, something they want, something they will pay for and drive for. The same can be said for the coastal communities, those residents live there because they like it, they would rather hear the ocean than sirens, they get their energy from the water not from the concrete, some of us like seeing mountains out our window, most californians are a little weird that way and the rest of the world cant understand it. The “people for a perfect world” want every city to look like London, where they fail to understand is that we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.
Americans have entirely invented or been a major contributor to every advancement in technology this century. Great minds from the world over tend to migrate here and collaborate. Airplanes, cars, telephones, telegraphs, electricity, computers, refrigerators, coffe pots, space travel, toilet paper, light bulbs, revolvers, machine guns, microwave ovens and my personal favorite, the oral contraceptive pill. This is what we do. If something is important enough to us, if we really want it, someone figures it out. Renewable energy will just be another chapter now that it has become a priority.
temeculaguy
ParticipantHarry, sdrealtor’s comment is actually not a sarcastic one, the urban renewal crowd would consider the entirety of the oc as suburbia. They aren’t just talking about working in one county and living in another, they are talking about living where cars are not needed at all, the type of urban living found in the downtown of european and east coast cities. Where you live, go to school, work and recreate within a mile or two radius. The west coast living is very “zoned” and the terrain isn’t always flat. Living spaces are not above businesses, shops and houses rarely co-exist, open space is not always shared and people want their own pool, yard, etc.
we’ve all visited cities like that, where someone can walk from their house to the store, to a bar and to a park. Most of choose not to live that way.
I’ve listened to these people, to put a regional spin on it, they believe that everyone in Poway, 4-s and carmel valley will choose to live in the shadows of skyscrapers, within a mile or two of downtown and I say they wont. They wont all commute an hour to the exhurbs, but they arent going to take over North Park, Hillcrest or areas within biking range of the city. Those areas near downtown aren’t all ghettos and they arent much cheaper or more expensive that suburbs 10 or 15 miles away, but the suburbs give families something they dont get near the city, something they want, something they will pay for and drive for. The same can be said for the coastal communities, those residents live there because they like it, they would rather hear the ocean than sirens, they get their energy from the water not from the concrete, some of us like seeing mountains out our window, most californians are a little weird that way and the rest of the world cant understand it. The “people for a perfect world” want every city to look like London, where they fail to understand is that we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.
Americans have entirely invented or been a major contributor to every advancement in technology this century. Great minds from the world over tend to migrate here and collaborate. Airplanes, cars, telephones, telegraphs, electricity, computers, refrigerators, coffe pots, space travel, toilet paper, light bulbs, revolvers, machine guns, microwave ovens and my personal favorite, the oral contraceptive pill. This is what we do. If something is important enough to us, if we really want it, someone figures it out. Renewable energy will just be another chapter now that it has become a priority.
temeculaguy
ParticipantWe had this same discussion about the same author a month ago. Families aren’t moving downtown and biking to work. Some people will. Childless young professionals will do it for a little while but the majority of families want a yard, a dog, good schools, quiet and be far away from poor people and the homeless. I’m not saying these are my issues but they are the issues of real people and those of us in the West are especially fond of elbow room and privacy, we are not Europe. Switching from a chevy suburban to a prius will happen long before the residents of the burbs switch to city heights and golden hill. The same argument can be made for our mass tranist. It’s not that we dont like busses and trains, we don’t like the unwashed that ride them.
This guy misses the whole reason the suburbs exist, people dont flee proximity, they flee other people. If poor people can’t afford the gas to live in the burbs, it will only serve to make them more inviting.
I also agree with the other posters, oil is over, the price is the catalyst to force change, we needed this.
temeculaguy
ParticipantWe had this same discussion about the same author a month ago. Families aren’t moving downtown and biking to work. Some people will. Childless young professionals will do it for a little while but the majority of families want a yard, a dog, good schools, quiet and be far away from poor people and the homeless. I’m not saying these are my issues but they are the issues of real people and those of us in the West are especially fond of elbow room and privacy, we are not Europe. Switching from a chevy suburban to a prius will happen long before the residents of the burbs switch to city heights and golden hill. The same argument can be made for our mass tranist. It’s not that we dont like busses and trains, we don’t like the unwashed that ride them.
This guy misses the whole reason the suburbs exist, people dont flee proximity, they flee other people. If poor people can’t afford the gas to live in the burbs, it will only serve to make them more inviting.
I also agree with the other posters, oil is over, the price is the catalyst to force change, we needed this.
temeculaguy
ParticipantWe had this same discussion about the same author a month ago. Families aren’t moving downtown and biking to work. Some people will. Childless young professionals will do it for a little while but the majority of families want a yard, a dog, good schools, quiet and be far away from poor people and the homeless. I’m not saying these are my issues but they are the issues of real people and those of us in the West are especially fond of elbow room and privacy, we are not Europe. Switching from a chevy suburban to a prius will happen long before the residents of the burbs switch to city heights and golden hill. The same argument can be made for our mass tranist. It’s not that we dont like busses and trains, we don’t like the unwashed that ride them.
This guy misses the whole reason the suburbs exist, people dont flee proximity, they flee other people. If poor people can’t afford the gas to live in the burbs, it will only serve to make them more inviting.
I also agree with the other posters, oil is over, the price is the catalyst to force change, we needed this.
temeculaguy
ParticipantWe had this same discussion about the same author a month ago. Families aren’t moving downtown and biking to work. Some people will. Childless young professionals will do it for a little while but the majority of families want a yard, a dog, good schools, quiet and be far away from poor people and the homeless. I’m not saying these are my issues but they are the issues of real people and those of us in the West are especially fond of elbow room and privacy, we are not Europe. Switching from a chevy suburban to a prius will happen long before the residents of the burbs switch to city heights and golden hill. The same argument can be made for our mass tranist. It’s not that we dont like busses and trains, we don’t like the unwashed that ride them.
This guy misses the whole reason the suburbs exist, people dont flee proximity, they flee other people. If poor people can’t afford the gas to live in the burbs, it will only serve to make them more inviting.
I also agree with the other posters, oil is over, the price is the catalyst to force change, we needed this.
temeculaguy
ParticipantWe had this same discussion about the same author a month ago. Families aren’t moving downtown and biking to work. Some people will. Childless young professionals will do it for a little while but the majority of families want a yard, a dog, good schools, quiet and be far away from poor people and the homeless. I’m not saying these are my issues but they are the issues of real people and those of us in the West are especially fond of elbow room and privacy, we are not Europe. Switching from a chevy suburban to a prius will happen long before the residents of the burbs switch to city heights and golden hill. The same argument can be made for our mass tranist. It’s not that we dont like busses and trains, we don’t like the unwashed that ride them.
This guy misses the whole reason the suburbs exist, people dont flee proximity, they flee other people. If poor people can’t afford the gas to live in the burbs, it will only serve to make them more inviting.
I also agree with the other posters, oil is over, the price is the catalyst to force change, we needed this.
temeculaguy
ParticipantRegardless if he is successful, I like him. Riding the coat tails of Starbucks and their demographic work is just smart. Also, the phrase “free range pit bulls” is an instant classic and one I will begin using immediately.
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