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April 14, 2008 at 8:50 PM in reply to: What did it cost to take a family to the Carlsbad Flower fields? #187287April 14, 2008 at 8:50 PM in reply to: What did it cost to take a family to the Carlsbad Flower fields? #187283
Sunnyjim
ParticipantIf you have to ask how much it costs…
…then you can’t afford it. Welcome to California.
Poor people have to see the flower fields on the evening news, they don’t get to burn $4.00/gallon gas to go see flowers in person, like you, JS.
And in San Diego, there are more poor people every day. Guess what kind of jobs are proliferating in this town? That’s right – low-paying, according to a study out two weeks ago. You used to be able to live here with one job, now you need two or more. Isn’t that what those people who are “conservative with their compassion” call “job growth”? Everybody wants that – NOT.
After seeing that two months of Nostrodamus’ monthly income comes close to the US national ANNUAL median household income, I realized today why I can’t relate to a lot of the posts on this board. We have WAY different perspectives.
By the way, Nostro, I didn’t see “taxes”, or “charitable contributions” in your pie. (Is that your monthly income AFTER taxes?) Glad that you’re proud of your 75% savings rate; it is quite remarkable and undoubtedly the American Dream come true. (I can see how you might choose not to share your prosperity with the less fortunate, but how do you get out of paying taxes?)
If I just could APPROACH that national median income, I might be tempted to stay on here in San Diego; my family home since 1961. If…
If wishes were horses…
April 14, 2008 at 8:50 PM in reply to: What did it cost to take a family to the Carlsbad Flower fields? #187276ParticipantIf you have to ask how much it costs…
…then you can’t afford it. Welcome to California.
Poor people have to see the flower fields on the evening news, they don’t get to burn $4.00/gallon gas to go see flowers in person, like you, JS.
And in San Diego, there are more poor people every day. Guess what kind of jobs are proliferating in this town? That’s right – low-paying, according to a study out two weeks ago. You used to be able to live here with one job, now you need two or more. Isn’t that what those people who are “conservative with their compassion” call “job growth”? Everybody wants that – NOT.
After seeing that two months of Nostrodamus’ monthly income comes close to the US national ANNUAL median household income, I realized today why I can’t relate to a lot of the posts on this board. We have WAY different perspectives.
By the way, Nostro, I didn’t see “taxes”, or “charitable contributions” in your pie. (Is that your monthly income AFTER taxes?) Glad that you’re proud of your 75% savings rate; it is quite remarkable and undoubtedly the American Dream come true. (I can see how you might choose not to share your prosperity with the less fortunate, but how do you get out of paying taxes?)
If I just could APPROACH that national median income, I might be tempted to stay on here in San Diego; my family home since 1961. If…
If wishes were horses…
April 14, 2008 at 8:50 PM in reply to: What did it cost to take a family to the Carlsbad Flower fields? #187245ParticipantIf you have to ask how much it costs…
…then you can’t afford it. Welcome to California.
Poor people have to see the flower fields on the evening news, they don’t get to burn $4.00/gallon gas to go see flowers in person, like you, JS.
And in San Diego, there are more poor people every day. Guess what kind of jobs are proliferating in this town? That’s right – low-paying, according to a study out two weeks ago. You used to be able to live here with one job, now you need two or more. Isn’t that what those people who are “conservative with their compassion” call “job growth”? Everybody wants that – NOT.
After seeing that two months of Nostrodamus’ monthly income comes close to the US national ANNUAL median household income, I realized today why I can’t relate to a lot of the posts on this board. We have WAY different perspectives.
By the way, Nostro, I didn’t see “taxes”, or “charitable contributions” in your pie. (Is that your monthly income AFTER taxes?) Glad that you’re proud of your 75% savings rate; it is quite remarkable and undoubtedly the American Dream come true. (I can see how you might choose not to share your prosperity with the less fortunate, but how do you get out of paying taxes?)
If I just could APPROACH that national median income, I might be tempted to stay on here in San Diego; my family home since 1961. If…
If wishes were horses…
April 14, 2008 at 8:50 PM in reply to: What did it cost to take a family to the Carlsbad Flower fields? #187224ParticipantIf you have to ask how much it costs…
…then you can’t afford it. Welcome to California.
Poor people have to see the flower fields on the evening news, they don’t get to burn $4.00/gallon gas to go see flowers in person, like you, JS.
And in San Diego, there are more poor people every day. Guess what kind of jobs are proliferating in this town? That’s right – low-paying, according to a study out two weeks ago. You used to be able to live here with one job, now you need two or more. Isn’t that what those people who are “conservative with their compassion” call “job growth”? Everybody wants that – NOT.
After seeing that two months of Nostrodamus’ monthly income comes close to the US national ANNUAL median household income, I realized today why I can’t relate to a lot of the posts on this board. We have WAY different perspectives.
By the way, Nostro, I didn’t see “taxes”, or “charitable contributions” in your pie. (Is that your monthly income AFTER taxes?) Glad that you’re proud of your 75% savings rate; it is quite remarkable and undoubtedly the American Dream come true. (I can see how you might choose not to share your prosperity with the less fortunate, but how do you get out of paying taxes?)
If I just could APPROACH that national median income, I might be tempted to stay on here in San Diego; my family home since 1961. If…
If wishes were horses…
ParticipantNo easy comparison.
Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
This thread sparked me to do a bit of googling.
Japan and the US have somewhat similar economies, featuring high technology, some similar institutions, an aging demographic, and so on. Economic stimulus in general didn’t work well there in the nineties (according to the link below on the Japanese economy – see the section on the bubble economy); recovery was slow.
Upshot is that there are some similarities, but there are no simple “compare and contrast” talking points.
Here are some links and thoughts I ran across:
On the larger issue of “What works to stimulate economies”:
Article on why the current US proposals won’t work
Quote One from the above article follows: – – – – –
It seems politicians’ big idea is that since they couldn’t protect us from predatory lenders, outsourcing manufacturers, the crashing dollar and energy speculators, they can at least numb the pain by mailing us $20 bills to rub on our wounds.
– – – End Quote One – – – –
Quote Two from the above article follows: – – –
A pair of economists have written a great paper for the Brookings Institution that lays out an analytical framework for understanding what has worked in the past, and though that institution has served as a think tank for Democrats and will therefore be dismissed out of hand by the GOP, I hope all sides will take the paper’s findings to heart. The paper by Douglas W. Elmendorf and Jason Furman says effective stimulus must be timely, targeted and temporary, and that a combination of tax rebates and direct government spending on anything but infrastructure (because it takes too long) has the most immediate boost to the economy.
– – – End Quote Two – – –
Link to the Brookings study mentioned above.
I hope this is helpful to the curious.
Closing by thanking The Professor (Rich) for such a profound and useful forum. I especially love his charts and graphs which which very high on the “information-to-ink” ratio.
[“SunnyJim” comes from my longtime interst in solar energy and an optimistic outlook, NOT on any bright prospects for property values in Southern California.]
~ SunnyJim
ParticipantNo easy comparison.
Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
This thread sparked me to do a bit of googling.
Japan and the US have somewhat similar economies, featuring high technology, some similar institutions, an aging demographic, and so on. Economic stimulus in general didn’t work well there in the nineties (according to the link below on the Japanese economy – see the section on the bubble economy); recovery was slow.
Upshot is that there are some similarities, but there are no simple “compare and contrast” talking points.
Here are some links and thoughts I ran across:
On the larger issue of “What works to stimulate economies”:
Article on why the current US proposals won’t work
Quote One from the above article follows: – – – – –
It seems politicians’ big idea is that since they couldn’t protect us from predatory lenders, outsourcing manufacturers, the crashing dollar and energy speculators, they can at least numb the pain by mailing us $20 bills to rub on our wounds.
– – – End Quote One – – – –
Quote Two from the above article follows: – – –
A pair of economists have written a great paper for the Brookings Institution that lays out an analytical framework for understanding what has worked in the past, and though that institution has served as a think tank for Democrats and will therefore be dismissed out of hand by the GOP, I hope all sides will take the paper’s findings to heart. The paper by Douglas W. Elmendorf and Jason Furman says effective stimulus must be timely, targeted and temporary, and that a combination of tax rebates and direct government spending on anything but infrastructure (because it takes too long) has the most immediate boost to the economy.
– – – End Quote Two – – –
Link to the Brookings study mentioned above.
I hope this is helpful to the curious.
Closing by thanking The Professor (Rich) for such a profound and useful forum. I especially love his charts and graphs which which very high on the “information-to-ink” ratio.
[“SunnyJim” comes from my longtime interst in solar energy and an optimistic outlook, NOT on any bright prospects for property values in Southern California.]
~ SunnyJim
ParticipantNo easy comparison.
Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
This thread sparked me to do a bit of googling.
Japan and the US have somewhat similar economies, featuring high technology, some similar institutions, an aging demographic, and so on. Economic stimulus in general didn’t work well there in the nineties (according to the link below on the Japanese economy – see the section on the bubble economy); recovery was slow.
Upshot is that there are some similarities, but there are no simple “compare and contrast” talking points.
Here are some links and thoughts I ran across:
On the larger issue of “What works to stimulate economies”:
Article on why the current US proposals won’t work
Quote One from the above article follows: – – – – –
It seems politicians’ big idea is that since they couldn’t protect us from predatory lenders, outsourcing manufacturers, the crashing dollar and energy speculators, they can at least numb the pain by mailing us $20 bills to rub on our wounds.
– – – End Quote One – – – –
Quote Two from the above article follows: – – –
A pair of economists have written a great paper for the Brookings Institution that lays out an analytical framework for understanding what has worked in the past, and though that institution has served as a think tank for Democrats and will therefore be dismissed out of hand by the GOP, I hope all sides will take the paper’s findings to heart. The paper by Douglas W. Elmendorf and Jason Furman says effective stimulus must be timely, targeted and temporary, and that a combination of tax rebates and direct government spending on anything but infrastructure (because it takes too long) has the most immediate boost to the economy.
– – – End Quote Two – – –
Link to the Brookings study mentioned above.
I hope this is helpful to the curious.
Closing by thanking The Professor (Rich) for such a profound and useful forum. I especially love his charts and graphs which which very high on the “information-to-ink” ratio.
[“SunnyJim” comes from my longtime interst in solar energy and an optimistic outlook, NOT on any bright prospects for property values in Southern California.]
~ SunnyJim
ParticipantNo easy comparison.
Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
This thread sparked me to do a bit of googling.
Japan and the US have somewhat similar economies, featuring high technology, some similar institutions, an aging demographic, and so on. Economic stimulus in general didn’t work well there in the nineties (according to the link below on the Japanese economy – see the section on the bubble economy); recovery was slow.
Upshot is that there are some similarities, but there are no simple “compare and contrast” talking points.
Here are some links and thoughts I ran across:
On the larger issue of “What works to stimulate economies”:
Article on why the current US proposals won’t work
Quote One from the above article follows: – – – – –
It seems politicians’ big idea is that since they couldn’t protect us from predatory lenders, outsourcing manufacturers, the crashing dollar and energy speculators, they can at least numb the pain by mailing us $20 bills to rub on our wounds.
– – – End Quote One – – – –
Quote Two from the above article follows: – – –
A pair of economists have written a great paper for the Brookings Institution that lays out an analytical framework for understanding what has worked in the past, and though that institution has served as a think tank for Democrats and will therefore be dismissed out of hand by the GOP, I hope all sides will take the paper’s findings to heart. The paper by Douglas W. Elmendorf and Jason Furman says effective stimulus must be timely, targeted and temporary, and that a combination of tax rebates and direct government spending on anything but infrastructure (because it takes too long) has the most immediate boost to the economy.
– – – End Quote Two – – –
Link to the Brookings study mentioned above.
I hope this is helpful to the curious.
Closing by thanking The Professor (Rich) for such a profound and useful forum. I especially love his charts and graphs which which very high on the “information-to-ink” ratio.
[“SunnyJim” comes from my longtime interst in solar energy and an optimistic outlook, NOT on any bright prospects for property values in Southern California.]
~ SunnyJim
ParticipantNo easy comparison.
Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
This thread sparked me to do a bit of googling.
Japan and the US have somewhat similar economies, featuring high technology, some similar institutions, an aging demographic, and so on. Economic stimulus in general didn’t work well there in the nineties (according to the link below on the Japanese economy – see the section on the bubble economy); recovery was slow.
Upshot is that there are some similarities, but there are no simple “compare and contrast” talking points.
Here are some links and thoughts I ran across:
On the larger issue of “What works to stimulate economies”:
Article on why the current US proposals won’t work
Quote One from the above article follows: – – – – –
It seems politicians’ big idea is that since they couldn’t protect us from predatory lenders, outsourcing manufacturers, the crashing dollar and energy speculators, they can at least numb the pain by mailing us $20 bills to rub on our wounds.
– – – End Quote One – – – –
Quote Two from the above article follows: – – –
A pair of economists have written a great paper for the Brookings Institution that lays out an analytical framework for understanding what has worked in the past, and though that institution has served as a think tank for Democrats and will therefore be dismissed out of hand by the GOP, I hope all sides will take the paper’s findings to heart. The paper by Douglas W. Elmendorf and Jason Furman says effective stimulus must be timely, targeted and temporary, and that a combination of tax rebates and direct government spending on anything but infrastructure (because it takes too long) has the most immediate boost to the economy.
– – – End Quote Two – – –
Link to the Brookings study mentioned above.
I hope this is helpful to the curious.
Closing by thanking The Professor (Rich) for such a profound and useful forum. I especially love his charts and graphs which which very high on the “information-to-ink” ratio.
[“SunnyJim” comes from my longtime interst in solar energy and an optimistic outlook, NOT on any bright prospects for property values in Southern California.]
~ SunnyJim
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