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Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=mike92104]i too think Zimmerman profiled Martin, but not racially. I think any young man wandering around the neighborhood in the rain at 2am is odd and suspicious.[/quote]
How about a young man walking home from 7/11 at 7pm. (not 2am).
That’s the actual timeline.[/quote]yeah, but he was dressed like a thug, wearing a hoodie and stuff.
July 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM in reply to: OT – Janet Napolitano appointed head of University of Cal system #763658Participant[quote=Hobie]
My largest concern is policy changes to allow more foreign students to be admitted and offered generous fin aid rather than Calif natives and other US citizens.[/quote]
I don’t know that it’s all campuses, but most UC campuses only give financial aid to US citizens or other legal US residents. Those here purely on a student visa aren’t eligible. For at least a few campuses, proof of financial wherewithal must be provided before admission for non-US residents. These rules vary by campus, it’s not a decision made at the UC Regents level.
Beyond that, less than 15% of the total UC budget is core funding from the state. For at least some campuses, their budgets look a lot more like private universities than public.
July 19, 2013 at 7:35 AM in reply to: OT – Janet Napolitano appointed head of University of Cal system #763649Participant[quote=spdrun]You didn’t hear horror stories of people unable to get into required courses and graduating in 4.5 or 5 years 20 years ago. Nor were tuition rates as high as now, even adjusted for inflation and incomes.
As far as other good state university systems: U Va., U Mich., Rutgers (medical college Medicare scandal notwithstanding), U Md., U. Illinois (UIUC in particular) …[/quote]
The only reason you didn’t hear about students not getting required courses 20 years ago is that you were 12. I heard about those issues 40 years ago when I was in college, though it was never as bad at the UC’s as it was at the Cal State U system.
The UC’s are not the only good public schools. Naming a handful of other good schools doesn’t really prove anything.
July 19, 2013 at 7:15 AM in reply to: OT – Janet Napolitano appointed head of University of Cal system #763646Participant[quote=spdrun]I’m not saying it’s horrible. I’m saying that it’s gone downhill (especially the non-Berkeley/UCLA schools) and shot up in price over the last 20 years.[/quote]
You’re wrong. Not even close. UCSD, UCD and UCSB are as good as they’ve ever been. The only campus that may have seen a meaningful drop in quality is UC Santa Cruz (my son may have had something to do with that). As a whole, it hasn’t gone downhill at all.
July 19, 2013 at 6:02 AM in reply to: OT – Janet Napolitano appointed head of University of Cal system #763643Participant[quote=spdrun]
How the FUCK does CA get off appointing someone like Nappy Jane as head of U of C? If the UC system is being regularly headed up by political whores, then no wonder it’s gone down the drain in the last 20 years.[/quote]I’m not terribly excited about this choice either, but the claim that the system has gone down the drain in the last 20 years is just ridiculous. The UC has the top 2 public universities in the country, 5 of the top 10 public universities, and another campus is number 12. There are no other public university systems that come close to the quality of the UC. Compare UC with the state university system, and SDSU is the highest ranked at 70. (There are 2 or 3 more UC’s on the list before SDSU appears.) You can justly ask whether the Univ of California will maintain it’s high stature with her at the top. Fair question. But to argue that her selection is part of a downward trend is absurd.
Participant[quote=squat300]What if the white teen was only in the neighborhood to help a disabled black kid as part of a big brother program? Change anything? I know you think the black guy here with the unregistered gun was within his rights to chase down the white teen who looked out of place…,but do you think the black guys trial odds look good?
Appeals courts reverse only a tiny percentage of cases and only deal with legal errors not issues of fact, which are for the jury to decide.[/quote]
The trial odds, at least in Florida, aren’t near as good for the black defendant as the white defendant, if he ends up with an all white jury. A single African American on the jury, and his odds are about the same.
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]I can cherry pick articles that counter your argument but don’t have the time, nor care to.[/quote]
The articles didn’t counter your claim, they weren’t related.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]
The dispatcher never asked him to stop following. What she said was “we don’t need you to do that”. He didn’t claim during his police interrogation that he stopped following. And nobody testified during the trial that he stopped following. There was evidence presented that he never stopped following until the physical altercation began.[/quote][quote]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: OK.
Dispatcher: Alright sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George. He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
Dispatcher: And George, what’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Dispatcher: Alright George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Alright where you gonna meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse, and uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left. And then they go past the mailboxes. They’ll see my truck.
Dispatcher: OK, what address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman:Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through, so I don’t know the answer.
Dispatcher: OK, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah.
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:It’s a home, it’s 1950, ah c— I don’t want to give it out loud, I don’t know where this kid is.[/quote]Then apparently, Zimmerman is one cool collect sociopath liar.[/quote]
He very well may be a sociopathic liar. But I don’t see any evidence of it there. There is no inconsistency between this transcript and the testimony that Zimmerman continued to follow him after he was told that he didn’t need to follow.
Participantmaybe the most ironic series of comments.
[quote=dumbrenter]He stopped following when the dispatcher asked him to.[/quote]
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I can’t believe that more people do not clearly see what you are saying. Why bias in reporting? Why race baiting? why doctor the tapes?
The only rational explanation I can find is that the media is using this to get more eyeballs, more people watching which translates to more revenue.
Heck, they even managed to get squat/scaredy back to post![/quote]The dispatcher never asked him to stop following. What she said was “we don’t need you to do that”. He didn’t claim during his police interrogation that he stopped following. And nobody testified during the trial that he stopped following. There was evidence presented that he never stopped following until the physical altercation began.
Participant[quote=Hobie]..and the protests and various riots? How many didn’t agree with the OJ verdict and did not riot?
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About the same number as now. With the minor exception of Oakland and a bit in LA, there isn’t much in the way of riots.
Participant[quote=CardiffBaseball]
Nonsense have you ever gotten into fist-fights? Why would you think getting a it’s a done deal to have concussion because you get knocked down, and the guy gets on top and starts to ground and pound. If this were the case every person who’s ever lost a fight would have concussion symptoms. If TM is on top smacking him with punches, it does hurt a little perhaps, but it’s doubtful it will cause a concussion.I once got ground/pounded by a bully, he had the upper hand, people thought I was finished, I somehow escaped and we got back to our feet. I came in faked a big overhand right meant to load the left side he had ducked a little away from the right and I knocked him out with a left hook he never saw it coming. Spun his head around as he went to the ground I hit him so hard. I’d venture to say he hit my face 25 times? I hit his face once, which one of us is more likely to have concussion symptoms? Being on bottom is more of a nuisance that will cut you up you won’t get a concussion most likely. Same with the head smacking on the pavement nobody said it had to crush his skull, it’s possible he didn’t get a good hold of his head and only grazed it.
Also I bleed like crazy. I had braces on, and the guy was hitting me with his class ring. He was sitting there in a daze not able to stand up for a minute or so, with no blood. A casual observer would say I got my pounded but outside of having braces it didn’t hurt at all and most of it wiped right off.[/quote]
It would be better if you actually read what I wrote. Ground and pound is one thing. It’s a whole different thing to get your head beaten into concrete pavement. Yes, I’ve been in fights (many many years ago), and been punched in the mouth with closed fists more times than I want to remember. But never had my head bashed into pavement. Happened to a close friend. He’s dead. And he only got thrown to the ground and hit his head.
Did you see Zimmerman’s lawyer’s demonstration with the dummy? It wasn’t fists to the face. It was lift by the shoulders and ram down to the ground, back of head hitting pavement at high velocity. That never happened. Nobody ever walks away from that with two little cuts. Nobody walks away from that without a concussion.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]
As it’s unrealistic to think getting out of your car to ask someone what they’re doing at night in your neighborhood is going to get you a ground and pound beat down.[/quote]
I don’t think there is any evidence that it happened that way. Zimmerman didn’t simply get out of his car, he followed him. Who threw the first punch, nobody knows except Zimmerman and a dead kid. But Zimmerman never got a beat down, at least not the way his attorney would have you believe. Martin may have been on top, but Zimmerman’s head never got beat into the pavement. If it had, he would have had a concussion at least, or more likely knocked unconscious. Maybe even killed. Head pounded into concrete doesn’t leave a couple of small cuts not requiring stitches.
Whether he was afraid for his life is another thing nobody except Zimmerman will ever know for sure. I think it’s likely that a black kid in a hoodie scared the shit out of him. Which is why he was carrying a gun.
One more thing that has been poorly reported is the “stand your ground” issues related to the case. SYG defense was not asserted, nor was it ever mentioned by the defense.
ParticipantYeah, he made the mistake of walking while black. Not very saintly.
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