[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette]

The only thing a communist system excels at is killing people. Sort of like Islam.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html%5B/quote%5D

Nice non-sequitor. And full of straw, as it is. If we were discussing coummumism, it might be relevant. Inaccurate, but relevant. We’re not.

Abysmal fail.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette]

The only thing a communist system excels at is killing people. Sort of like Islam.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html%5B/quote%5D

Nice non-sequitor. And full of straw, as it is. If we were discussing coummumism, it might be relevant. Inaccurate, but relevant. We’re not.

Abysmal fail.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette]

The only thing a communist system excels at is killing people. Sort of like Islam.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html%5B/quote%5D

Nice non-sequitor. And full of straw, as it is. If we were discussing coummumism, it might be relevant. Inaccurate, but relevant. We’re not.

Abysmal fail.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette]

The only thing a communist system excels at is killing people. Sort of like Islam.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html%5B/quote%5D

Nice non-sequitor. And full of straw, as it is. If we were discussing coummumism, it might be relevant. Inaccurate, but relevant. We’re not.

Abysmal fail.

[SK in CV]

If you ignore the present state of information available (part of the judge’s definition of “belief”) you might be right here.

[quote=jficquette]I though point number 2 was interesting in that I could see how belief in an all powerful government utilizing Socialism could be defined as a religion considering it has never worked anywhere its been tried yet so many people still have faith in it.
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Except for China, Viet Nam, Laos, North Korea. You might argue, even successfully, that none of those are countries most of us would want to live in, they are working.

I suspect you are arguing that we, in the US, are moving towards socialism with the proposed health care reform. Ignoring, again, for the moment the sheer idiocy of the claim, the UK has true socialized medicine. Canada does not, but it’s much closer to socialized medicine than anything that is currently being proposed. Both are working quite well.

Argument fails.

[SK in CV]

If you ignore the present state of information available (part of the judge’s definition of “belief”) you might be right here.

[quote=jficquette]I though point number 2 was interesting in that I could see how belief in an all powerful government utilizing Socialism could be defined as a religion considering it has never worked anywhere its been tried yet so many people still have faith in it.
[/quote]

Except for China, Viet Nam, Laos, North Korea. You might argue, even successfully, that none of those are countries most of us would want to live in, they are working.

I suspect you are arguing that we, in the US, are moving towards socialism with the proposed health care reform. Ignoring, again, for the moment the sheer idiocy of the claim, the UK has true socialized medicine. Canada does not, but it’s much closer to socialized medicine than anything that is currently being proposed. Both are working quite well.

Argument fails.

[SK in CV]

If you ignore the present state of information available (part of the judge’s definition of “belief”) you might be right here.

[quote=jficquette]I though point number 2 was interesting in that I could see how belief in an all powerful government utilizing Socialism could be defined as a religion considering it has never worked anywhere its been tried yet so many people still have faith in it.
[/quote]

Except for China, Viet Nam, Laos, North Korea. You might argue, even successfully, that none of those are countries most of us would want to live in, they are working.

I suspect you are arguing that we, in the US, are moving towards socialism with the proposed health care reform. Ignoring, again, for the moment the sheer idiocy of the claim, the UK has true socialized medicine. Canada does not, but it’s much closer to socialized medicine than anything that is currently being proposed. Both are working quite well.

Argument fails.

[SK in CV]

If you ignore the present state of information available (part of the judge’s definition of “belief”) you might be right here.

[quote=jficquette]I though point number 2 was interesting in that I could see how belief in an all powerful government utilizing Socialism could be defined as a religion considering it has never worked anywhere its been tried yet so many people still have faith in it.
[/quote]

Except for China, Viet Nam, Laos, North Korea. You might argue, even successfully, that none of those are countries most of us would want to live in, they are working.

I suspect you are arguing that we, in the US, are moving towards socialism with the proposed health care reform. Ignoring, again, for the moment the sheer idiocy of the claim, the UK has true socialized medicine. Canada does not, but it’s much closer to socialized medicine than anything that is currently being proposed. Both are working quite well.

Argument fails.

[SK in CV]

If you ignore the present state of information available (part of the judge’s definition of “belief”) you might be right here.

[quote=jficquette]I though point number 2 was interesting in that I could see how belief in an all powerful government utilizing Socialism could be defined as a religion considering it has never worked anywhere its been tried yet so many people still have faith in it.
[/quote]

Except for China, Viet Nam, Laos, North Korea. You might argue, even successfully, that none of those are countries most of us would want to live in, they are working.

I suspect you are arguing that we, in the US, are moving towards socialism with the proposed health care reform. Ignoring, again, for the moment the sheer idiocy of the claim, the UK has true socialized medicine. Canada does not, but it’s much closer to socialized medicine than anything that is currently being proposed. Both are working quite well.

Argument fails.

[SK in CV]

You’re exactly right Arraya

[quote=Arraya][quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

haha… A travesty of justice is to let the justice department to work

Doublethink at it’s best.

to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed[/quote]

I really don’t understand what those opposed to justice are afraid of. It seems non-whites, even in prison, terrify them. They fear the American justice system. Jingoism is alive and well, at least until a little fear seeps in, until their skewed vision of perfection becomes imperfect and threatens them.

[SK in CV]

You’re exactly right Arraya

[quote=Arraya][quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

haha… A travesty of justice is to let the justice department to work

Doublethink at it’s best.

to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed[/quote]

I really don’t understand what those opposed to justice are afraid of. It seems non-whites, even in prison, terrify them. They fear the American justice system. Jingoism is alive and well, at least until a little fear seeps in, until their skewed vision of perfection becomes imperfect and threatens them.

[SK in CV]

You’re exactly right Arraya

[quote=Arraya][quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

haha… A travesty of justice is to let the justice department to work

Doublethink at it’s best.

to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed[/quote]

I really don’t understand what those opposed to justice are afraid of. It seems non-whites, even in prison, terrify them. They fear the American justice system. Jingoism is alive and well, at least until a little fear seeps in, until their skewed vision of perfection becomes imperfect and threatens them.

[SK in CV]

You’re exactly right Arraya

[quote=Arraya][quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

haha… A travesty of justice is to let the justice department to work

Doublethink at it’s best.

to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed[/quote]

I really don’t understand what those opposed to justice are afraid of. It seems non-whites, even in prison, terrify them. They fear the American justice system. Jingoism is alive and well, at least until a little fear seeps in, until their skewed vision of perfection becomes imperfect and threatens them.

[SK in CV]

You’re exactly right Arraya

[quote=Arraya][quote=Casca]John, add to the list the decision this morning to try Khalid Sheik Mohammad (KSM), the 911 mastermind, in federal court in NYC. An absolute travesty of justice. Had the current course with the military tribunals been allowed to run in Gitmo, he was a month away from a death sentance. Now we’ll spend a prince’s ransom to both defend and prosecute him in a court where he will be allowed full constitutional protections. This fuck should have been dead a long time ago. There is evil upon the land.[/quote]

haha… A travesty of justice is to let the justice department to work

Doublethink at it’s best.

to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed[/quote]

I really don’t understand what those opposed to justice are afraid of. It seems non-whites, even in prison, terrify them. They fear the American justice system. Jingoism is alive and well, at least until a little fear seeps in, until their skewed vision of perfection becomes imperfect and threatens them.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]

Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.

Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.

Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.

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