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Participant[quote=ariffe22][quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
Is that an attempt at a joke, or are you really that clueless?[/quote]I’m basing that on my own observations. I’ve been to the PIs and to many Filipino family gatherings as I have Filipino friends.
My relatives and I go to USCD for health care and I can tell you that even the Filipina nurses are fat. And they supposedly have plenty of health care education. Actually, most of the nurses of all races are fat.
When the nurses are obese, and the doctors are out of shape, you know that the health care system is broken. How can those professionals set an example and provide nutritional advice when they can’t even manage their own bodies.
It may sound harsh, but the truth is the truth.[/quote]
you see what you get with Government healthcare?[/quote]
No, I don’t see. What does this have to do with government health care?
Participant[quote=ariffe22][quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
Is that an attempt at a joke, or are you really that clueless?[/quote]I’m basing that on my own observations. I’ve been to the PIs and to many Filipino family gatherings as I have Filipino friends.
My relatives and I go to USCD for health care and I can tell you that even the Filipina nurses are fat. And they supposedly have plenty of health care education. Actually, most of the nurses of all races are fat.
When the nurses are obese, and the doctors are out of shape, you know that the health care system is broken. How can those professionals set an example and provide nutritional advice when they can’t even manage their own bodies.
It may sound harsh, but the truth is the truth.[/quote]
you see what you get with Government healthcare?[/quote]
No, I don’t see. What does this have to do with government health care?
Participant[quote=ariffe22][quote=briansd1][quote=pri_dk]
Is that an attempt at a joke, or are you really that clueless?[/quote]I’m basing that on my own observations. I’ve been to the PIs and to many Filipino family gatherings as I have Filipino friends.
My relatives and I go to USCD for health care and I can tell you that even the Filipina nurses are fat. And they supposedly have plenty of health care education. Actually, most of the nurses of all races are fat.
When the nurses are obese, and the doctors are out of shape, you know that the health care system is broken. How can those professionals set an example and provide nutritional advice when they can’t even manage their own bodies.
It may sound harsh, but the truth is the truth.[/quote]
you see what you get with Government healthcare?[/quote]
No, I don’t see. What does this have to do with government health care?
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes]Well, I think their point is that much of the new spending enacted in the last ten years simply adds to deficit spending with no plans for how to actually pay for it.
So we’re paying for it, not our children and grandchildren. It may not make us happy (I’m no fan of the current health care bill) but at least we’re not asking for ensuing generations to foot the bill.[/quote]Nailed it.
Six years ago..
[quote]it was standard practice not to pay for things.[/quote]So says Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9423266
Tis better to brag about spending money with no apparent means to pay for it, or spending money and creating means to pay for it?
Which one of those helped to create the financial crisis?
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes]Well, I think their point is that much of the new spending enacted in the last ten years simply adds to deficit spending with no plans for how to actually pay for it.
So we’re paying for it, not our children and grandchildren. It may not make us happy (I’m no fan of the current health care bill) but at least we’re not asking for ensuing generations to foot the bill.[/quote]Nailed it.
Six years ago..
[quote]it was standard practice not to pay for things.[/quote]So says Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9423266
Tis better to brag about spending money with no apparent means to pay for it, or spending money and creating means to pay for it?
Which one of those helped to create the financial crisis?
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes]Well, I think their point is that much of the new spending enacted in the last ten years simply adds to deficit spending with no plans for how to actually pay for it.
So we’re paying for it, not our children and grandchildren. It may not make us happy (I’m no fan of the current health care bill) but at least we’re not asking for ensuing generations to foot the bill.[/quote]Nailed it.
Six years ago..
[quote]it was standard practice not to pay for things.[/quote]So says Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9423266
Tis better to brag about spending money with no apparent means to pay for it, or spending money and creating means to pay for it?
Which one of those helped to create the financial crisis?
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes]Well, I think their point is that much of the new spending enacted in the last ten years simply adds to deficit spending with no plans for how to actually pay for it.
So we’re paying for it, not our children and grandchildren. It may not make us happy (I’m no fan of the current health care bill) but at least we’re not asking for ensuing generations to foot the bill.[/quote]Nailed it.
Six years ago..
[quote]it was standard practice not to pay for things.[/quote]So says Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9423266
Tis better to brag about spending money with no apparent means to pay for it, or spending money and creating means to pay for it?
Which one of those helped to create the financial crisis?
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes]Well, I think their point is that much of the new spending enacted in the last ten years simply adds to deficit spending with no plans for how to actually pay for it.
So we’re paying for it, not our children and grandchildren. It may not make us happy (I’m no fan of the current health care bill) but at least we’re not asking for ensuing generations to foot the bill.[/quote]Nailed it.
Six years ago..
[quote]it was standard practice not to pay for things.[/quote]So says Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9423266
Tis better to brag about spending money with no apparent means to pay for it, or spending money and creating means to pay for it?
Which one of those helped to create the financial crisis?
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I thought I had heard credible talk about setting doctor’s salaries. Certainly the government would be establishing prices for certain services on a vast scale.
But I guess you’re right, the public option (this year anyway) is a govt. “insurance” company, not govt. provision of the actual health care.
You’re right I should read the bill, but not today or tomorrow. :)[/quote]
You also probably heard about death panels and free insurance for illegal immigrants. There was a post here a few months back with about 60 claims about the first house bill, with citations. I reviewed each one of them. Roughly 90% were entirely bogus. The rest had only small elements of truthiness. There may have been talk that came from otherwise credible sources about setting doctor’s salaries. That talk was without basis.
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I thought I had heard credible talk about setting doctor’s salaries. Certainly the government would be establishing prices for certain services on a vast scale.
But I guess you’re right, the public option (this year anyway) is a govt. “insurance” company, not govt. provision of the actual health care.
You’re right I should read the bill, but not today or tomorrow. :)[/quote]
You also probably heard about death panels and free insurance for illegal immigrants. There was a post here a few months back with about 60 claims about the first house bill, with citations. I reviewed each one of them. Roughly 90% were entirely bogus. The rest had only small elements of truthiness. There may have been talk that came from otherwise credible sources about setting doctor’s salaries. That talk was without basis.
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I thought I had heard credible talk about setting doctor’s salaries. Certainly the government would be establishing prices for certain services on a vast scale.
But I guess you’re right, the public option (this year anyway) is a govt. “insurance” company, not govt. provision of the actual health care.
You’re right I should read the bill, but not today or tomorrow. :)[/quote]
You also probably heard about death panels and free insurance for illegal immigrants. There was a post here a few months back with about 60 claims about the first house bill, with citations. I reviewed each one of them. Roughly 90% were entirely bogus. The rest had only small elements of truthiness. There may have been talk that came from otherwise credible sources about setting doctor’s salaries. That talk was without basis.
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I thought I had heard credible talk about setting doctor’s salaries. Certainly the government would be establishing prices for certain services on a vast scale.
But I guess you’re right, the public option (this year anyway) is a govt. “insurance” company, not govt. provision of the actual health care.
You’re right I should read the bill, but not today or tomorrow. :)[/quote]
You also probably heard about death panels and free insurance for illegal immigrants. There was a post here a few months back with about 60 claims about the first house bill, with citations. I reviewed each one of them. Roughly 90% were entirely bogus. The rest had only small elements of truthiness. There may have been talk that came from otherwise credible sources about setting doctor’s salaries. That talk was without basis.
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I thought I had heard credible talk about setting doctor’s salaries. Certainly the government would be establishing prices for certain services on a vast scale.
But I guess you’re right, the public option (this year anyway) is a govt. “insurance” company, not govt. provision of the actual health care.
You’re right I should read the bill, but not today or tomorrow. :)[/quote]
You also probably heard about death panels and free insurance for illegal immigrants. There was a post here a few months back with about 60 claims about the first house bill, with citations. I reviewed each one of them. Roughly 90% were entirely bogus. The rest had only small elements of truthiness. There may have been talk that came from otherwise credible sources about setting doctor’s salaries. That talk was without basis.
Participant[quote=KSMountain]
Really? No services distributed? Who would pay the doctors? Who would set their salaries? Who would pay for the medical care? What would your medical card say? Those would all be *services* provided by the government. Like the VA, only bigger.If I go in and get a knee replacement, isn’t that a “good distributed by the government”?
Hasn’t there also been talk of setting the prices for medications? Doesn’t that become control over “production” because the prices are not market-driven?
Under the public option the government would make huge purchases of medicines, equipment, etc. At some point say a few years from now, might some wise guy congressman (or president) say “Damn those fat cat pharma companies, let’s just make the drugs ourselves”?[/quote]
No, under the proposed (though unlikely to pass) public plans, as with Medicare and Medicaid, it is NOT, under any circumstances, a good or service being provided by the government. And not anything like the VA. The service is being provided by the doctor. The doctor is not employed by the government any more than they are currently employed by Aetna or Blue Cross. Salaries would not be set by the government any more than they are currently set by Aetna or Blue Cross.
And not like the VA, only bigger. The VA IS socialized medicine for the eligible population. The VA owns hospitals. The VA employs physicians, nurses, therapists and pharmacies.
And there is no mechanism under any proposed public option for the government to make huge purchases of medicines or equipment. I’ve read the bills. Maybe before coming to conclusions about their content, others should to.
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