Healthcare is not a right!?

[KSMountain]

Agreed. Slippery slope (and really difficult) though, to start having the government mandate personal behavior.

That’s why a tax seems attractive – at least you can *encourage* a behavior.

Folks would rightly complain that a junk food tax would be extremely regressive. True, but we do something similar for cigarettes, for similar reasons.

[Arraya]

There is no such thing as rights. They are all culturally biased proclamations to problems of the time.

We make them up as we go along. Always have and always will.

The problem with our culture is the very core of its existence. The inhumane and antisocial gaming strategy that goes along with capital accumulation.

It creates ‘health systems’ that incentivise and feed on illness, it creates prisons that depend on crime for their survival, it creates bombs that must be detonated to keep the armament industry afloat and private armies that need war to remain profitable and pushes cyclical consumption of useless, poorly made crap to keep people employed. As well as a multi-decade, psychologically, fine tuned marketing industry that manipulates every person to an extent.

As financial and physical health reaches unprecedented levels the society will reach a tipping point where you can no longer blame individuals or throw money at a problem. Which are the two options within our political paradigm. This will lead to mental health problems for everybody.

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.

[Arraya]

There is no such thing as rights. They are all culturally biased proclamations to problems of the time.

We make them up as we go along. Always have and always will.

The problem with our culture is the very core of its existence. The inhumane and antisocial gaming strategy that goes along with capital accumulation.

It creates ‘health systems’ that incentivise and feed on illness, it creates prisons that depend on crime for their survival, it creates bombs that must be detonated to keep the armament industry afloat and private armies that need war to remain profitable and pushes cyclical consumption of useless, poorly made crap to keep people employed. As well as a multi-decade, psychologically, fine tuned marketing industry that manipulates every person to an extent.

As financial and physical health reaches unprecedented levels the society will reach a tipping point where you can no longer blame individuals or throw money at a problem. Which are the two options within our political paradigm. This will lead to mental health problems for everybody.

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.

[Arraya]

There is no such thing as rights. They are all culturally biased proclamations to problems of the time.

We make them up as we go along. Always have and always will.

The problem with our culture is the very core of its existence. The inhumane and antisocial gaming strategy that goes along with capital accumulation.

It creates ‘health systems’ that incentivise and feed on illness, it creates prisons that depend on crime for their survival, it creates bombs that must be detonated to keep the armament industry afloat and private armies that need war to remain profitable and pushes cyclical consumption of useless, poorly made crap to keep people employed. As well as a multi-decade, psychologically, fine tuned marketing industry that manipulates every person to an extent.

As financial and physical health reaches unprecedented levels the society will reach a tipping point where you can no longer blame individuals or throw money at a problem. Which are the two options within our political paradigm. This will lead to mental health problems for everybody.

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.

[Arraya]

There is no such thing as rights. They are all culturally biased proclamations to problems of the time.

We make them up as we go along. Always have and always will.

The problem with our culture is the very core of its existence. The inhumane and antisocial gaming strategy that goes along with capital accumulation.

It creates ‘health systems’ that incentivise and feed on illness, it creates prisons that depend on crime for their survival, it creates bombs that must be detonated to keep the armament industry afloat and private armies that need war to remain profitable and pushes cyclical consumption of useless, poorly made crap to keep people employed. As well as a multi-decade, psychologically, fine tuned marketing industry that manipulates every person to an extent.

As financial and physical health reaches unprecedented levels the society will reach a tipping point where you can no longer blame individuals or throw money at a problem. Which are the two options within our political paradigm. This will lead to mental health problems for everybody.

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.

[Arraya]

There is no such thing as rights. They are all culturally biased proclamations to problems of the time.

We make them up as we go along. Always have and always will.

The problem with our culture is the very core of its existence. The inhumane and antisocial gaming strategy that goes along with capital accumulation.

It creates ‘health systems’ that incentivise and feed on illness, it creates prisons that depend on crime for their survival, it creates bombs that must be detonated to keep the armament industry afloat and private armies that need war to remain profitable and pushes cyclical consumption of useless, poorly made crap to keep people employed. As well as a multi-decade, psychologically, fine tuned marketing industry that manipulates every person to an extent.

As financial and physical health reaches unprecedented levels the society will reach a tipping point where you can no longer blame individuals or throw money at a problem. Which are the two options within our political paradigm. This will lead to mental health problems for everybody.

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.[/quote]

I agree with your point of view. But I think that we still have a ways to go before the system collapses. We are much farther than a few years away from the tipping point.

I wonder how it’s going to turn out.

Those who are smart enough to see through the games (or play it well) can certainly benefit greatly. Capitalism has been successful in commoditizing consumer products. So, if you’re judicious in what you purchase(and don’t become that hamster in a cage) you can acquire good stuff very cheaply.

For example, my food bill is very low because I don’t buy the packaged stuff with high mark-up.

As far a health care goes, it’s not a right; but it’s the responsibility of government to keep citizens healthy.

I support basic health care for everyone. But I don’t support designer drugs and services for everyone.

On mental health, if one takes Prozac, one might feel better about one’s reality, but that reality hasn’t changed. Isn’t one better off working on changing that lousy reality?

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.[/quote]

I agree with your point of view. But I think that we still have a ways to go before the system collapses. We are much farther than a few years away from the tipping point.

I wonder how it’s going to turn out.

Those who are smart enough to see through the games (or play it well) can certainly benefit greatly. Capitalism has been successful in commoditizing consumer products. So, if you’re judicious in what you purchase(and don’t become that hamster in a cage) you can acquire good stuff very cheaply.

For example, my food bill is very low because I don’t buy the packaged stuff with high mark-up.

As far a health care goes, it’s not a right; but it’s the responsibility of government to keep citizens healthy.

I support basic health care for everyone. But I don’t support designer drugs and services for everyone.

On mental health, if one takes Prozac, one might feel better about one’s reality, but that reality hasn’t changed. Isn’t one better off working on changing that lousy reality?

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.[/quote]

I agree with your point of view. But I think that we still have a ways to go before the system collapses. We are much farther than a few years away from the tipping point.

I wonder how it’s going to turn out.

Those who are smart enough to see through the games (or play it well) can certainly benefit greatly. Capitalism has been successful in commoditizing consumer products. So, if you’re judicious in what you purchase(and don’t become that hamster in a cage) you can acquire good stuff very cheaply.

For example, my food bill is very low because I don’t buy the packaged stuff with high mark-up.

As far a health care goes, it’s not a right; but it’s the responsibility of government to keep citizens healthy.

I support basic health care for everyone. But I don’t support designer drugs and services for everyone.

On mental health, if one takes Prozac, one might feel better about one’s reality, but that reality hasn’t changed. Isn’t one better off working on changing that lousy reality?

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.[/quote]

I agree with your point of view. But I think that we still have a ways to go before the system collapses. We are much farther than a few years away from the tipping point.

I wonder how it’s going to turn out.

Those who are smart enough to see through the games (or play it well) can certainly benefit greatly. Capitalism has been successful in commoditizing consumer products. So, if you’re judicious in what you purchase(and don’t become that hamster in a cage) you can acquire good stuff very cheaply.

For example, my food bill is very low because I don’t buy the packaged stuff with high mark-up.

As far a health care goes, it’s not a right; but it’s the responsibility of government to keep citizens healthy.

I support basic health care for everyone. But I don’t support designer drugs and services for everyone.

On mental health, if one takes Prozac, one might feel better about one’s reality, but that reality hasn’t changed. Isn’t one better off working on changing that lousy reality?

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

We are within a few years of that tipping point in my estimation.

We’re way smarter than this, IMO.

You can all deride this as some utopian commie bs. I really don’t care.[/quote]

I agree with your point of view. But I think that we still have a ways to go before the system collapses. We are much farther than a few years away from the tipping point.

I wonder how it’s going to turn out.

Those who are smart enough to see through the games (or play it well) can certainly benefit greatly. Capitalism has been successful in commoditizing consumer products. So, if you’re judicious in what you purchase(and don’t become that hamster in a cage) you can acquire good stuff very cheaply.

For example, my food bill is very low because I don’t buy the packaged stuff with high mark-up.

As far a health care goes, it’s not a right; but it’s the responsibility of government to keep citizens healthy.

I support basic health care for everyone. But I don’t support designer drugs and services for everyone.

On mental health, if one takes Prozac, one might feel better about one’s reality, but that reality hasn’t changed. Isn’t one better off working on changing that lousy reality?

[briansd1]

I actually think that bad eating behavior is creeping up the social economic ladder.

People don’t cook at home anymore. Turnover has brought formally lower income folks into the higher income brackets. The income changed but the behavior remains the same.

Eating at the local Italian restaurant is only slightly better then eating the junk frozen dinners.

Actually a fat tax on junk food might not be so regressive, IF (big if) there is plenty of cheap non-taxable fresh food alternatives.

[briansd1]

I actually think that bad eating behavior is creeping up the social economic ladder.

People don’t cook at home anymore. Turnover has brought formally lower income folks into the higher income brackets. The income changed but the behavior remains the same.

Eating at the local Italian restaurant is only slightly better then eating the junk frozen dinners.

Actually a fat tax on junk food might not be so regressive, IF (big if) there is plenty of cheap non-taxable fresh food alternatives.

[briansd1]

I actually think that bad eating behavior is creeping up the social economic ladder.

People don’t cook at home anymore. Turnover has brought formally lower income folks into the higher income brackets. The income changed but the behavior remains the same.

Eating at the local Italian restaurant is only slightly better then eating the junk frozen dinners.

Actually a fat tax on junk food might not be so regressive, IF (big if) there is plenty of cheap non-taxable fresh food alternatives.

[briansd1]

I actually think that bad eating behavior is creeping up the social economic ladder.

People don’t cook at home anymore. Turnover has brought formally lower income folks into the higher income brackets. The income changed but the behavior remains the same.

Eating at the local Italian restaurant is only slightly better then eating the junk frozen dinners.

Actually a fat tax on junk food might not be so regressive, IF (big if) there is plenty of cheap non-taxable fresh food alternatives.

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