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Participanti say we temporarily suspend the 2nd am. and the 1st. the 5th, 6th. 14th.
are car bombs a realistic danger to the president? criminalize driving in a 50 mile radius of trumps location
Participant[quote=Coronita]Since we are in the spirit of reparations, how about
1. We give back most of California land that was once farm land belonging to Japanese Americans that were sent off to camps.
2. Where is the compensation for all the Chinese that were worked to death building railroads?[/quote]
good thought. I recently visited the japanese camps up by lone pine near death valley. fascinating place to visit. worth checking out. MANZANAR.
https://www.nps.gov/manz/index.htm
however; that relocation was never found to be unconstitutional. sure it was racist and evil, but constitutional.
slavery however, was found to be constitutional rights violation so im not sure the japanese americans have a cognizable claim. but maybe. sure seems liek ti would be fair.
as to the chinese railroad workers, i don’t know. were they willingly there? not sure about this one . need more facts.
Participant“Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest.
The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often rioters do not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights.
There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal.
A profound judgment of today’s riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, ‘If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.’
The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty.
Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Black people live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison.
Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man.”
— Martin Luther King, Jr.Participant[quote=zk][quote=utcsox][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=utcsox][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.[/quote]
would have been nice to see bernie madoff get choked out on the street when he got arrested[/quote]
Securities fraud is not a capital offense.[/quote]
Neither is aggravated robbery.[/quote]
NeetaT isn’t talking about the law, people, talking about JUSTICE.
Madoff getting choked out wouldve been justice. he committed serious crimes against money. its just difficult to picture the cops leaning on his skinny neck. just doesn’t seem …right.
he’s all jewish. come on. are you really going to lay him down and cuff him on the street even if he resists a little?
plus, you’d probably break his neck right off if you leaned on it with your knee.
however, it’s pretty easy to picture a cop choking out a big black guy. i guess i lack imagination
Participant[quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]i dont think you’re any kind of a nutcase. I think you’re a fairly typical juror. I think you’d acquit chaunvin, and i think most people willa gree with that result.
by definition, if your viewpoint is accepted as normal by the majority, you’re not a nut, you’re a sane individual.
i might be a nutcase, in fact ive been told im a nutcase, and i dispute that, but im much more likely to be a nutcase than you are. I woudl say, based on your comment, you are definitely not a nutcase.
IM going to try to restate your opinion, and feel free to correct me if im getting it wrong, because i dont want to put words in your mouth.
I think your opinion is basically, dude had it coming to him, good riddance, clean up the streets, victim rights>defendant rights, harsher penalties, and if we can’t lock guys up forever, then let the police work it out with them on the streets.
there’s nothing abnormal about that opinion. You could state it a little more clearly though.
just say it. stop being so PC
screw these dirtbags.
Participant[quote=utcsox][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.[/quote]
would have been nice to see bernie madoff get choked out on the street when he got arrested
Participant[quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
two wrongs make a right.
wrong plus wrong = right.
right minus wrong = right.
subtracting right from each side, we get,
wrong = 0
please check my math. not sure about this one.
if that’s correct, the 2x wrong = 0, and right also equals zero.
may be hard to sometimes distinguish right from wrong when they add up about the same depending on where you start.
Participant[quote=NeetaT]No,I will not say his name “George Floyd”.
But!!!!!
I will say their names: Aracely Henriquez, Angel Negrete,
Amanda Negrete, and Juan Botello.These are the people that George Floyd robbed at gunpoint and caused years of PTSD in their lives.
Thank you![/quote]
chauvin will get not only a not guilty, but a presidential medal of freedom for advancing the cause of justice in America. Limbaugh. Chauvin. these freedom fighters names will live in our hearts forever.
maybe he should skip the delay, opt for a speedy trial so he can go for the presidential pardon, just in case. seriously.
i don’t think anyone believes riots are “noble”. I dont think anyone approves of the wilful destruction of others property in our society. To understand an impulse is not the same as approving of an impulse.
i doubt anyone thinks even that protesting peacefully is particularly noble. it was from a bygone era, when people had a sense of decency, when they felt shame for things that were wrong in society.
remember when all the women marched against trump early in his presdiency. I think the majority thought it was mildly amusing. certainly not “noble”
Trumps shamelessness is our communal shamelessness. maybe thats why we like him so much, as a nation. he has given us permission to be unashamed.
just as he shamelessly and openly pursues his own interests, enriches himself wrongfully right in our faces, we feel liberated to care nothing about the overall justice of society,a nd to hunker down in our own mental bunker, and tweet our own thoughts into a circular mirror of self satisfaction.
The country is too entrenched, everyone feels they are right and has decided the issues; no one left has an open mind or will ever change their position.
so long as we protect the stock market, everything’s cool. and the market seems to enjoy the underclass flailing helplessly.
you’d think the retreat to the bunker wouldve freaked out some traders, but, no….
really though…the bunker? a mask is a sign of weakness, but hiding in an underground bbunker is strength?
i think our society could be a little less cruel and a little better to one another. but maybe that’s too radical. is that white guilt? maybe. slavery was long over by the time my people got here too.
Participant[quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]Ok the protests are starting to freak me out.
Fuck tha protestors.
Ah, fuck humanity.
We are doomed.[/quote]
You do realize some of the rioters are plants are not the same as the protestors, right? Some rioters are there just to stir shit up…
Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists
And don’t worry, I am sure things will be fine. I am sure the way to solve problems caused by a few white racists that kills a black man over something stupid is what is done all the time by white apologetics who are still the majority of powerful CEOs and institutional leaders. Give a lot of social and economic concessions and appeasements to African Americans and screw over other non-white minorities, particularly asian american men, and dismissal of any sort of grievances of those biased policies as “for the greater good”. More preferential treatment, more social awareness. I can’t wait to see what they have in store for us next… And if you can’t understand, it’s because you are white with white privilege and cant relate, the same thing the same privilege that black people complain about all the time, just from a different angle[/quote]
Despite all our rage were still judt a rat in a cage.
Maybe we are just iraq circa 2003. Rumsfeld says looting is a sign of good things to come. Stay invested! A rising tide raises all boats
DEFENSE NEWS APRIL 11, 2003
WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) — U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.
“The task we’ve got ahead of us now is an awkward one … It’s untidy. And freedom’s untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that’s what’s going to happen here,” Rumsfeld said.
ParticipantHe will need a lot of security as an ex pres.
Maybe we are just iraq circa 2003. Rumsfeld says looting is a sign of good things to come. Stay invested!
DEFENSE NEWS APRIL 11, 2003
WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) — U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.
“The task we’ve got ahead of us now is an awkward one … It’s untidy. And freedom’s untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that’s what’s going to happen here,” Rumsfeld said.
Participant[quote=ltsddd]Coronavirus/Racial Riots/Economy/Stock Market
Riots…is this one of those situations that’s unfolding in slow motion and MOST people just simply not noticing it? Can’t be good for the stock market. Not now with the riots and not later with the outcome of the trials for the cops. I am taking even more money off of the table.[/quote]
Maybe we are just iraq circa 2003. Rumsfeld says looting is a sign of good things to come. Stay invested!
DEFENSE NEWS APRIL 11, 2003
WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) — U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.
“The task we’ve got ahead of us now is an awkward one … It’s untidy. And freedom’s untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that’s what’s going to happen here,” Rumsfeld said.
ParticipantOk the protests are starting to freak me out.
Fuck tha protestors.
Ah, fuck humanity.
We are doomed.
Participant[quote=Hobie]How about comply, and sue their ass off later if the cops are wrong?[/quote]
generally doesn’t work. See “qualified immunity”. It’s a problem. things could cahnge tho.
The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd’s
the law is definitely on the polcie side now…but maybe it’ll shift.
Participant[quote=zk][quote=scaredyclassic]guilty on the lesser, maybe assault with force likely to produce great bodily injury. but no murder. [/quote]
Maybe. Still, I think he’ll get convicted of murder. And if not, mayhem. Not “he’ll be convicted of mayhem.” But “(if he’s not convicted of murder,) there will be mayhem.”[/quote]
he’s only facing 25 max on 3d degree murder (not a charge in CA). so maybe it’ll plead out for 7. or 10?. be out in half?
that seems about right. 1st offense. lots of good prior works, i’m sure, lots of people to speak up for his good polcie work in the past, senior officer, pillar of the community and so forth.
. good guy, 7 years is fair.
he made a mistake. his whoel life shouldnt be defined by one mistake under extreme pressure ina volatile situation.
it really was an accident. he didn’t want the guy to die.
he just wanted the guy to obey his lawful orders, to stop resisting.
he was just sending a message, a good message. behave. do not resist the police. do not break the law.
3 1/2 with good time, plus credit time served, be out before the vaccine.
just need lots of delay, till things calm down. thisll be old news in 2023, we will be gearing up for the enxt election, there will be a dozen new outrages in between, plead it out then. definitely do not want to go to trial for many years.
justice served up piping cold. the beatings will continue until morale improves
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