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May 30, 2020 at 9:42 AM #22900
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May 30, 2020 at 11:52 AM #817645
svelteParticipantWell lets not lump all police together.
I have a few that are close personal friends of mine and I can tell you that, at least my police friends, are very intelligent, warm, and funny people. And I can assure you they are not racists in the least. Far from it.
Are there bad apples? Sure. But the majority that I’ve personally met are great folks.
The one common trait I do see is that they like to step in if they see an injustice…I’m more picky and let sleeping dogs lie until it gets to be too bad to ignore. They step in way earlier than I do. Which spooks me sometimes but they are probably way more used to it and know they can have their uniformed buddies on the scene in just a couple of minutes. Me, I can’t say that.
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May 30, 2020 at 12:04 PM #817646
scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=svelte]Well lets not lump all police together.
I have a few that are close personal friends of mine and I can tell you that, at least my police friends, are very intelligent, warm, and funny people. And I can assure you they are not racists in the least. Far from it.
Are there bad apples? Sure. But the majority that I’ve personally met are great folks.
The one common trait I do see is that they like to step in if they see an injustice…I’m more picky and let sleeping dogs lie until it gets to be too bad to ignore. They step in way earlier than I do. Which spooks me sometimes but they are probably way more used to it and know they can have their uniformed buddies on the scene in just a couple of minutes. Me, I can’t say that.[/quote]
I wish I could take credit for this, but as Chris Rock said….
I know it’s hard being a cop … But some jobs can’t have bad apples. Some jobs, everybody gotta be good. Like, pilots. American Airlines can’t be like, ‘You know, most of our pilots like to land, we just got a few bad apples that like to crash into mountains.’-
May 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM #817647Participant
Here was 4 that thought it was cool to choke a guy out on film.
Is that a bad apple or a systemic thing.
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May 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM #817648Participant
Dont get me wrong. I call 911 when im in trouble. But if i had bern dealt a different hand i prolly would avoid the cops
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May 30, 2020 at 2:29 PM #817649svelteParticipant
[quote=scaredyclassic]Dont get me wrong. I call 911 when im in trouble. But if i had bern dealt a different hand i prolly would avoid the cops[/quote]
Can’t say that I seek them out either, best to stay clear cuz I just never know if i’m doing something on the edge of illegal – why tempt fate.
It’s just that the lyric “f the police” implies that they are all bad – and they are not. Just a few bad apples. Just as bad as saying all lawyers are ambulance chasers.
Do they need to be weeded out? Absolutely! no question about that.
They do exist just as bad pilots exist. Such as the one who tried to land in Pakistan with his landing gear up, killing 97 of 99 on board this month.
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May 31, 2020 at 11:27 AM #817679Participant
If u have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, and the 1000 good cops dont turn in the bad cops, you have 1,010 bad cops .
Which is prety much the set up. You cant snitch and make it as a cop. No way.
Its pretty weedy. No one can keep thrir job and call a weed a weed.
Is the current system essentially fair and good, is our policing system basicalky just cept for a few bad apples?
Where you stand depends on your zip code
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May 31, 2020 at 12:21 PM #817681
ltsddd
ParticipantAttitude, empathy and compassion make a world of difference.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html
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May 31, 2020 at 12:27 PM #817682
Hobie
ParticipantDon’t piss into the wind and don’t do stuff that attracts cops. duh
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May 31, 2020 at 12:33 PM #817684
outtamojo
Participantsleeping in one’s own home shouldn’t get one killed, but it does.
Storming a gov building carrying arms should attract cops yes, but nobody got killed from that group. -
May 31, 2020 at 12:39 PM #817685Participant
[quote=Hobie]Don’t piss into the wind and don’t do stuff that attracts cops. duh[/quote]
Being black definitely arouses suspicion. A fully masked society would at least cut down on bad stops.
Best course of action is to be born not black to family of good means. Duh.
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May 31, 2020 at 12:43 PM #817687Participant
[quote=Hobie]Don’t piss into the wind and don’t do stuff that attracts cops. duh[/quote]
Yeah. Like while sitting at a Starbucks shop while black. duh
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May 31, 2020 at 12:46 PM #817688Participant
Anyone who still insists on being black in this society is just bring hardheaded and stubborn. They judt need to get with the program and be white.
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May 31, 2020 at 3:12 PM #817697svelteParticipant
[quote=scaredyclassic]If u have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, and the 1000 good cops dont turn in the bad cops, you have 1,010 bad cops .
Which is prety much the set up. You cant snitch and make it as a cop. No way.
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There are channels in the PD for officers to report other officers. You and I are not privy to how often that channel is used for privacy reasons.
But I can imagine that the police union is a lot like the teachers union, meaning it is difficult to get a union member removed.
If a police dept has a bad apple, I don’t we can assume it is because his fellow officers didn’t report the bad apple. As one of my friend officers said recently, nobody hates a bad officer more than a good officer. Nobody.
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May 31, 2020 at 3:51 PM #817698Participant
Be that as it may or however things are done or under what conditions the time for excuses is OVER.
If there are as many good cops as you say then it would be an easy matter to allow into their next contract more oversight and easier removal of bad cops.
Blaming Unions is always the route of the lazy and incompetent.Most unions operate on the basis of a contract that must be ratified by majority vote of its members so if oversight and ways to remove bad cops dont make it into the contract that would indicate that cops not interested in policing their own are the majority.
So a good cop that say he/ she hates bad cops but not doing anything or allowing the change that would remove the bad cop is just the ultimate in hypocrisy.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:02 PM #817699Participant
[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]If u have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, and the 1000 good cops dont turn in the bad cops, you have 1,010 bad cops .
Which is prety much the set up. You cant snitch and make it as a cop. No way.
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There are channels in the PD for officers to report other officers. You and I are not privy to how often that channel is used for privacy reasons.
But I can imagine that the police union is a lot like the teachers union, meaning it is difficult to get a union member removed.
If a police dept has a bad apple, I don’t we can assume it is because his fellow officers didn’t report the bad apple. As one of my friend officers said recently, nobody hates a bad officer more than a good officer. Nobody.[/quote]
oh, police officers do not routinely snitch on each other. Your buddies are lying. they dont’ like cops who make them look bad, but they don’t file complaints on each other except in unusually rare occasions, and only then when they think it’s going to come back at them. Like, no way that is common.
Civilian complaints go nowhere. Intercop complaints are very rare.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:05 PM #817700svelteParticipant
You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:15 PM #817701Participant
[quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee. Hell, it wouldn’t have been “apparent” anything wrong was done afetr the fact without normal citizen input. the cops wouldve agreed, Guy was “resisting” we tried to restrain, him, he basically brought it on himself. shit happens.
And the police report would have been and signed off by all involved. There is zero doubt in my mind as to that.
Maybe policing wouldnt be as dangerous if we hadn’t created a militaristic police state with a seriously disenfranchised underclass.
But it is what it is. The police are SUPPOSED to be taking grave risks. that’s what they signed on for. officer safety should not be so far above citizen safety. but that’s what’s happened. No risk is tolerable for the officer. We need to make sure the cuffed guy on the ground cant wiggle.
society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:15 PM #817702svelteParticipant
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee. Hell, it wouldn’t have been “apparent” anything wrong was done. Guy was “resisting” we tried to restrain, him, he basically brought it on himself.
And the police report would have been fictional. and signed off by all involved. There is zero doubt in my mind as to that.
Maybe policing wouldnt be as dangerous if we hadn’t created a militaristic police state with a seriously disenfranchised underclass.
But it is what it is. The police are SUPPOSED to be taking grave risks. that’s what they signed on for. it’s just that society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.[/quote]
You’re part of the problem. You’ll bitch and complain but you won’t take action. You’re a bad apple through inaction.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:45 PM #817703Participant
[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee. Hell, it wouldn’t have been “apparent” anything wrong was done. Guy was “resisting” we tried to restrain, him, he basically brought it on himself.
And the police report would have been fictional. and signed off by all involved. There is zero doubt in my mind as to that.
Maybe policing wouldnt be as dangerous if we hadn’t created a militaristic police state with a seriously disenfranchised underclass.
But it is what it is. The police are SUPPOSED to be taking grave risks. that’s what they signed on for. it’s just that society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.[/quote]
You’re part of the problem. You’ll bitch and complain but you won’t take action. You’re a bad apple through inaction.[/quote]
i suppose, in part. This is a pretty big systemic problem, complicated by the reality that it is divided up into thousands of local cultural subsets and departments.
Kinda like blaming some dopey commuter for global warming for driving his escalade.
in my humble opinion, saying this is just a “bad apple” cop and the average cop would’ve turned this guy in, is just absurd. they by and large tolerate misbehavior from their cohorts, same as they would in the military at war. us against them. they would die for each other. having such close relationships is part of the pleasure of the work.
frankly im jealous of that. i would love to experience that. I am far too physically weak and introspective and hesitant to ever be a police officer. I would last 12 minutes.
reportedly there were 18 civilian complaints against the killer. maybe we will find out how many co-officer complaints there were. My money is on ZERO.
I never said all cops are assholes. I woudl say virtually all cops stick together, especially ina situation where there is any possible ambiguity and there is little chance of being detected…but even if there isn’t, they keep their mouths shut. that is the culture.
hell even in corporate america you don’t move up the chain by making a lot of HR complaints.
a change in culture might be one where officers are REWARDED for making allegations that can be substantiated against one another. like a crimestopper reward.
promote successful snitches.
make partners rotate very frequently, so they don’t become personally attached to one another.
The odds of that happening; very very very low. i hate to say zero, but…zero.
have them regularly review allegations of misconduct and show them regular firings involving misconduct to show the seriousness of the matter of getting a verifiable complaint.
and the song fuck tha police does not reflect my personal feelings; it’s just alarming that it reflects so many citizen’s feelings….
seems like only yesterday the polcie were in such a tizzy about disrespectful colin kaepernick. cop union wanted to boycott the games. funny…
“the union for police officers who work San Francisco home games says its members may boycott policing the stadium if the 49ers don’t discipline Colin Kaepernick for refusing to stand during the national anthem and for his statements about law enforcement….”
kind of hilarious in a dark way….cops definitely are not good at taking criticism.
and seriously, I think the cop has a good chance of walking…so why is there any need for his fellow officers to report him? he hired the philando castile case lawyer, so the lawyer knows how to win. i’d lay odds, 60/40 he walks.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:47 PM #817704Participant
a whole room full of cops applauded when trump suggested being rough with suspects.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:56 PM #817705Participant
[quote=outtamojo]a whole room full of cops applauded when trump suggested being rough with suspects.[/quote]
i think the truth is, in our hearts, though we won’t admit it, we all like to see a little pretrial rough justice. it seems…just. we are not robots. neither are cops.
should not a bad violent man get a little ass whupping upon arrest? Would that violate your sense of justice? not law, not procedure, not the constitution…but your own sense of rightness…
if you can carefully look in your own heart to see if that feeling is in yourself…and i think it’s there, if just a little kernel of it…might it not also exist in a cop’s heart too?
and if we want it to stop, the penalty for doing it must be more than nothing. because that’s where we are at. this case, on video, national riots, worst case scenario–may walk. but the little ones, where they don’t die…
nothing. no worries.
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May 31, 2020 at 4:57 PM #817706Participant
Yes we all have feelings and judgments but as professionals, we should be…professional.
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May 31, 2020 at 5:04 PM #817707Participant
[quote=outtamojo]Yes we all have feelings and judgment but as professionals, we should be…professional.[/quote]
i dont’ even know what the word “professional” means.
really good at?
specific licensing requirements?
oversight by governing body of similar professionals?
certainly their profession is not governed by us and
does not significantly penalize roughing up suspects under most circumstances when they dont die.you have to really screw up. if you want more professional behavior, you need way more accountability, way more fear from the cops amongst each other and their employer. That’s just not the culture.
we dont control the police. they control us. I’m not sure what it would really take to change their culture. Probably the only thing that would possibly work is financial pressure through litigation that would eventually cause them to lose funding.
but that’s not an avenue the courts will allow.
for now, they a re their own profession with their own code of conduct and they dont’ particualrly have to answer to me or you. or anyone, really.
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June 5, 2020 at 11:29 AM #817977
phaster
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]You’re right scaredy.
All cops are assholes who would cover up their own buddies doing anything.
In fact, had you been standing there, you would have run right over and pushed the cop off of him because you are not a bad citizen. It would have been immediately obvious to you that the man was dying. You would have been first one to do the right thing. I can see it now. The man with the handle “scaredy” saving a man’s life.
I think you should join the police force and clean that organization up.[/quote]
citizens have no duty to rescue. You could be dying in the street and i could walk over your body with no repercussions.
Cops on the other hand arguably have a duty to rescue. So if they see someone in distress, they are legally required (some believe) to rescue.
Also, only an idiot would have assaulted the police in that situation.
If floyd had died with no witnesses, I guaranfuckingtee you those other officers would not have ratted out their buddy. 100% guarantee.
…society has evolved into a very messed up situation. I wouldn’t be a cop under any circumstances, let alone the current clusterfuck.[/quote]
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Commentary: Why do riots happen and what can be done to stop them? Two psychologists explain.…Research shows that crowds act differently than do individuals. Responsibility is diluted and crowds egg each other on. People can justify outrageous behavior and acting out in ways they would not on their own. Violent perpetrators can slip away and
hide in the crowd. Angry, destructive people can act with no motive except giving vent to their frustrations.Crowds breed a sense of “us” and create a sense of belonging. This can be positive if they remain peaceful. When a small group becomes violent, research shows that a majority will call them out and demand they stop. The psychology becomes one of defining the aggressors as “not us.” However, if the police respond to the whole group as if they are all aggressors and the police treat all protesters as potential law breakers, it has the effect of uniting the protesters against the police. The group unites, but in a sinister way.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/story/2020-06-02/psychology-protests-riots
[/quote]meanwhile,…
and then there is the bigger covid-19 problem that has to be addressed
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June 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM #817981Participant
Feel free to protest.
Just not outside.
Or near cops.
Or after work.
Or if trump is nearby.
Basically, stay in your home.
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June 5, 2020 at 3:17 PM #817991
FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=scaredyclassic]Feel free to protest.
Just not outside.
Or near cops.
Or after work.
Or if trump is nearby.
Basically, stay in your home.[/quote]
You’re funny, scaredy. You could write for the comedy shows.
The maidan protesters were out there day and night. Why didn’t the government just impose a nighttime curfew?
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May 31, 2020 at 5:13 PM #817708svelteParticipant
This is more like the officers I’ve known:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html
Truly good people who took the job for much the same reason that firemen and health care workers often do: they like to help people.
I know 3 San Diego police officers. One I worked with before he joined the force. He’s a bit of a wild man and that has caused him an issue on the force which I’ve read about in the paper. He’s black and seems to have calmed down as he’s gotten older.
The other two I became friends with in other social circles and we hit it off with them and their wives, so we socialize a lot. I’d trust them with anything of mine. I cannot imagine them doing anything even remotely unethical and the stories they can tell – San Diego has some crazy shit go on!
I can also tell you that every time – every time! – we go out with them, someone in the restaurant or concert will pull them aside and start talking. When I ask who that was, it is almost always a fellow officer.
So….the light bulb went off. If there is an officer at every public place we go to with them, there is one at every public place we go to without them also. So you’ve no doubt run into a lot of them too. You’re just not aware of it.
And I still say – if you truly believe something is corrupt and you do nothing, you’re a part of the problem. Take action if you’re so convinced there is a better way. That is way more productive than typing on a real estate forum.
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May 31, 2020 at 5:23 PM #817709Participant
[quote=svelte]This is more like the officers I’ve known:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html
Truly good people who took the job for much the same reason that firemen and health care workers often do: they like to help people.
I know 3 San Diego police officers. One I worked with before he joined the force. He’s a bit of a wild man and that has caused him an issue on the force which I’ve read about in the paper. He’s black and seems to have calmed down as he’s gotten older.
The other two I became friends with in other social circles and we hit it off with them and their wives, so we socialize a lot. I’d trust them with anything of mine. I cannot imagine them doing anything even remotely unethical and the stories they can tell – San Diego has some crazy shit go on!
I can also tell you that every time – every time! – we go out with them, someone in the restaurant or concert will pull them aside and start talking. When I ask who that was, it is almost always a fellow officer.
So….the light bulb went off. If there is an officer at every public place we go to with them, there is one at every public place we go to without them also. So you’ve no doubt run into a lot of them too. You’re just not aware of it.
And I still say – if you truly believe something is corrupt and you do nothing, you’re a part of the problem. Take action if you’re so convinced there is a better way. That is way more productive than typing on a real estate forum.[/quote]
true. at the end of the day, although I know in my heart this is not a good system, it is working out very well for me. there is zero chance i would protest. I enjoy the way things are. I know it is wrong though.
this conflict makes me uneasy. but not enough to take any personal risk.
ask them if the first few years on the job, they wouldve ratted out chauvin. see if you believe their answer.
they would not. america does not reward speaking truth to power.
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May 31, 2020 at 5:23 PM #817710Participant
Kinda odd that cops cant/wont clean up their profession but we expect a random on a real estate blog to clean things up for them.
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May 31, 2020 at 6:07 PM #817713svelteParticipant
[quote=outtamojo]Kinda odd that cops cant/wont clean up their profession but we expect a random on a real estate blog to clean things up for them.[/quote]
I think your premise is wrong. The vast majority of officers are good people. I’ve interacted with them socially and sometimes I’ve been visited by the men in blue. Mostly in my younger days. 🙂
Only once did I feel I was dealing with a dishonest cop. He was a San Diego police officer and what he told me was outright lies and he knew they were lies.
All of my other interactions have been positive with officers I felt were doing their best given a tough situation. And their inclination was to give me a break.
I would suggest this – for those of you who believe that officers are corrupt, go do a ride-along! See what they have to deal with day in and day out. If I had their job, I would go home and not sleep all night staring at the ceiling. They have to deal with the worst society has to offer every single day. This is especially true with big city cops.
Small city cops have it much easier. It’s more of an Andy Griffith feel. I know that from interactions with northern CA, NV, and OK officers. In northern CA I worked the all night shift while going to school in a mid-sized town. Officers would come in during the night to check on me and shoot the breeze during their break. These were very fine individuals and it pains me to see them thrown in the same bucket as those that are evil.
Even here is San Marcos I’ve interacted with them a few times. These guys are on a short leash. While they were talking with me, the dispatcher already had another couple of tasks lined up for them. Their time was really stretched thin. They were in regular contact with the main office and consulted with them before taking action in most cases. Things are well documented now, and that’s in addition to the body cams officers now wear. Out of curiosity, I’ve bought one and wear it when I walk the dog. Body cams are a ton of fun. And they keep honest people honest.
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May 31, 2020 at 6:16 PM #817714Participant
How about comply, and sue their ass off later if the cops are wrong?
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May 31, 2020 at 6:19 PM #817715Participant
Cops have to deal with the shit society 99% of the time. I may tend to bias them. They are not always the problem.
Like I said earlier, don’t do stuff that will attract a cop… pass bad check, resist, mouth off, you get the idea.
You will make $ if you comply and they are in the wrong with cameras everywhere.
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May 31, 2020 at 6:25 PM #817717Participant
[quote=Hobie]Cops have to deal with the shit society 99% of the time. I may tend to bias them. They are not always the problem.
Like I said earlier, don’t do stuff that will attract a cop… pass bad check, resist, mouth off, you get the idea.
You will make $ if you comply and they are in the wrong with cameras everywhere.[/quote]
How you gonna spend the money if you are dead?
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May 31, 2020 at 11:03 PM #817725Participant
Why do the majority of officers resist reform?
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-unions/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-met-chicago-police-union-fop-20181105-story.html
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June 1, 2020 at 12:15 AM #817726Participant
Ok the protests are starting to freak me out.
Fuck tha protestors.
Ah, fuck humanity.
We are doomed.
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June 1, 2020 at 6:29 AM #817727
Coronita
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Ok the protests are starting to freak me out.
Fuck tha protestors.
Ah, fuck humanity.
We are doomed.[/quote]
You do realize some of the rioters are plants are not the same as the protestors, right? Some rioters are there just to stir shit up…
Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists
And don’t worry, I am sure things will be fine. I am sure the way to solve problems caused by a few white racists that kills a black man over something stupid is what is done all the time by white apologetics who are still the majority of powerful CEOs and institutional leaders. Give a lot of social and economic concessions and appeasements to African Americans and screw over other non-white minorities, particularly asian american men, and dismissal of any sort of grievances of those biased policies as “for the greater good”. More preferential treatment, more social awareness. I can’t wait to see what they have in store for us next… And if you can’t understand, it’s because you are white with white privilege and cant relate, the same thing the same privilege that black people complain about all the time, just from a different angle
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June 1, 2020 at 7:36 AM #817732Participant
[quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]Ok the protests are starting to freak me out.
Fuck tha protestors.
Ah, fuck humanity.
We are doomed.[/quote]
You do realize some of the rioters are plants are not the same as the protestors, right? Some rioters are there just to stir shit up…
Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists
And don’t worry, I am sure things will be fine. I am sure the way to solve problems caused by a few white racists that kills a black man over something stupid is what is done all the time by white apologetics who are still the majority of powerful CEOs and institutional leaders. Give a lot of social and economic concessions and appeasements to African Americans and screw over other non-white minorities, particularly asian american men, and dismissal of any sort of grievances of those biased policies as “for the greater good”. More preferential treatment, more social awareness. I can’t wait to see what they have in store for us next… And if you can’t understand, it’s because you are white with white privilege and cant relate, the same thing the same privilege that black people complain about all the time, just from a different angle[/quote]
Despite all our rage were still judt a rat in a cage.
Maybe we are just iraq circa 2003. Rumsfeld says looting is a sign of good things to come. Stay invested! A rising tide raises all boats
DEFENSE NEWS APRIL 11, 2003
WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) — U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.
“The task we’ve got ahead of us now is an awkward one … It’s untidy. And freedom’s untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that’s what’s going to happen here,” Rumsfeld said.
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June 1, 2020 at 9:32 AM #817734Guest
Corona, it’s all about you and your unrelated grievances again.
It’s about police violence and abuse. We all have an interest in stopping the abuse and reforming policing. How does that “screw over” anyone?
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June 3, 2020 at 12:18 AM #817849Participant
[quote=FlyerInHi]Corona, it’s all about you and your unrelated grievances again.
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Wow Brian, personal again?
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May 31, 2020 at 6:21 PM #817716Participant
[quote=Hobie]How about comply, and sue their ass off later if the cops are wrong?[/quote]
generally doesn’t work. See “qualified immunity”. It’s a problem. things could cahnge tho.
The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd’s
the law is definitely on the polcie side now…but maybe it’ll shift.
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June 1, 2020 at 10:45 AM #817737
NeetaT
ParticipantNo,I will not say his name “George Floyd”.
But!!!!!
I will say their names: Aracely Henriquez, Angel Negrete,
Amanda Negrete, and Juan Botello.These are the people that George Floyd robbed at gunpoint and caused years of PTSD in their lives.
Thank you!
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June 1, 2020 at 12:02 PM #817741Participant
[quote=NeetaT]No,I will not say his name “George Floyd”.
But!!!!!
I will say their names: Aracely Henriquez, Angel Negrete,
Amanda Negrete, and Juan Botello.These are the people that George Floyd robbed at gunpoint and caused years of PTSD in their lives.
Thank you![/quote]
chauvin will get not only a not guilty, but a presidential medal of freedom for advancing the cause of justice in America. Limbaugh. Chauvin. these freedom fighters names will live in our hearts forever.
maybe he should skip the delay, opt for a speedy trial so he can go for the presidential pardon, just in case. seriously.
i don’t think anyone believes riots are “noble”. I dont think anyone approves of the wilful destruction of others property in our society. To understand an impulse is not the same as approving of an impulse.
i doubt anyone thinks even that protesting peacefully is particularly noble. it was from a bygone era, when people had a sense of decency, when they felt shame for things that were wrong in society.
remember when all the women marched against trump early in his presdiency. I think the majority thought it was mildly amusing. certainly not “noble”
Trumps shamelessness is our communal shamelessness. maybe thats why we like him so much, as a nation. he has given us permission to be unashamed.
just as he shamelessly and openly pursues his own interests, enriches himself wrongfully right in our faces, we feel liberated to care nothing about the overall justice of society,a nd to hunker down in our own mental bunker, and tweet our own thoughts into a circular mirror of self satisfaction.
The country is too entrenched, everyone feels they are right and has decided the issues; no one left has an open mind or will ever change their position.
so long as we protect the stock market, everything’s cool. and the market seems to enjoy the underclass flailing helplessly.
you’d think the retreat to the bunker wouldve freaked out some traders, but, no….
really though…the bunker? a mask is a sign of weakness, but hiding in an underground bbunker is strength?
i think our society could be a little less cruel and a little better to one another. but maybe that’s too radical. is that white guilt? maybe. slavery was long over by the time my people got here too.
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June 1, 2020 at 12:38 PM #817742
zk
Participant[quote=NeetaT]No,I will not say his name “George Floyd”.
But!!!!!
I will say their names: Aracely Henriquez, Angel Negrete,
Amanda Negrete, and Juan Botello.These are the people that George Floyd robbed at gunpoint and caused years of PTSD in their lives.
Thank you![/quote]
Has anyone else noticed how many rwnj posts on social media now are similar to this one? Kind of weird, pointless, tangential jabs that sort of allude to something but don’t really make any sense? I see a lot of that now, now that they’re just so wrong about so many things that they can’t even make a cogent case for their stances.
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June 1, 2020 at 12:39 PM #817743Participant
No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case!
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June 1, 2020 at 12:47 PM #817744Participant
[quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
two wrongs make a right.
wrong plus wrong = right.
right minus wrong = right.
subtracting right from each side, we get,
wrong = 0
please check my math. not sure about this one.
if that’s correct, the 2x wrong = 0, and right also equals zero.
may be hard to sometimes distinguish right from wrong when they add up about the same depending on where you start.
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June 1, 2020 at 12:54 PM #817746
utcsox
Participant[quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.
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June 1, 2020 at 1:10 PM #817748Participant
[quote=utcsox][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.[/quote]
would have been nice to see bernie madoff get choked out on the street when he got arrested
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June 1, 2020 at 1:14 PM #817749Participant
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=utcsox][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.[/quote]
would have been nice to see bernie madoff get choked out on the street when he got arrested[/quote]
Securities fraud is not a capital offense.
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June 1, 2020 at 1:16 PM #817750Participant
[quote=utcsox][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=utcsox][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.[/quote]
would have been nice to see bernie madoff get choked out on the street when he got arrested[/quote]
Securities fraud is not a capital offense.[/quote]
Neither is aggravated robbery.
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June 1, 2020 at 1:56 PM #817751Participant
[quote=zk][quote=utcsox][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=utcsox][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
To be fair, I never think of you as a right wing nut-case. I view you as a normal right wing person.[/quote]
would have been nice to see bernie madoff get choked out on the street when he got arrested[/quote]
Securities fraud is not a capital offense.[/quote]
Neither is aggravated robbery.[/quote]
NeetaT isn’t talking about the law, people, talking about JUSTICE.
Madoff getting choked out wouldve been justice. he committed serious crimes against money. its just difficult to picture the cops leaning on his skinny neck. just doesn’t seem …right.
he’s all jewish. come on. are you really going to lay him down and cuff him on the street even if he resists a little?
plus, you’d probably break his neck right off if you leaned on it with your knee.
however, it’s pretty easy to picture a cop choking out a big black guy. i guess i lack imagination
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June 1, 2020 at 2:23 PM #817755Participant
“Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest.
The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often rioters do not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights.
There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal.
A profound judgment of today’s riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, ‘If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.’
The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty.
Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Black people live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison.
Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man.”
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June 1, 2020 at 3:17 PM #817756Guest
MLK did write beautifully.
I was in Poway yesterday and drove by the intersection where people were demonstrating. A lot of white people.
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June 1, 2020 at 1:07 PM #817747Participant
[quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]
I didn’t say you made anything up. I said you made a weird, pointless, tangential jab that sort of alluded to something but didn’t really make any sense.
Prove me wrong, Neeta. How did that post make any sense? What, exactly, did you mean by that post?
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June 1, 2020 at 1:54 PM #817745Participant
[quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]i dont think you’re any kind of a nutcase. I think you’re a fairly typical juror. I think you’d acquit chaunvin, and i think most people willa gree with that result.
by definition, if your viewpoint is accepted as normal by the majority, you’re not a nut, you’re a sane individual.
i might be a nutcase, in fact ive been told im a nutcase, and i dispute that, but im much more likely to be a nutcase than you are. I woudl say, based on your comment, you are definitely not a nutcase.
IM going to try to restate your opinion, and feel free to correct me if im getting it wrong, because i dont want to put words in your mouth.
I think your opinion is basically, dude had it coming to him, good riddance, clean up the streets, victim rights>defendant rights, harsher penalties, and if we can’t lock guys up forever, then let the police work it out with them on the streets.
there’s nothing abnormal about that opinion. You could state it a little more clearly though.
just say it. stop being so PC
screw these dirtbags.
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June 3, 2020 at 9:13 PM #817889Guest
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]i dont think you’re any kind of a nutcase. I think you’re a fairly typical juror. I think you’d acquit chaunvin, and i think most people willa gree with that result.
by definition, if your viewpoint is accepted as normal by the majority, you’re not a nut, you’re a sane individual.
i might be a nutcase, in fact ive been told im a nutcase, and i dispute that, but im much more likely to be a nutcase than you are. I woudl say, based on your comment, you are definitely not a nutcase.
IM going to try to restate your opinion, and feel free to correct me if im getting it wrong, because i dont want to put words in your mouth.
I think your opinion is basically, dude had it coming to him, good riddance, clean up the streets, victim rights>defendant rights, harsher penalties, and if we can’t lock guys up forever, then let the police work it out with them on the streets.
there’s nothing abnormal about that opinion. You could state it a little more clearly though.
just say it. stop being so PC
screw these dirtbags.[/quote]
Scaredy, earlier today, I remembered your “translation” when I saw ALL LIVES MATTER in all caps on facebook. You write so well. How would interpret ALL LIVES MATTER in response to BLM?
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June 4, 2020 at 11:03 AM #817902Participant
[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=NeetaT]No, sorry guys, I made it all up. The information came from official police reports. Yes, the police, the people you guys hate. FAKE police documents! Yes! Sorry!
Oh no, it’s me, the right wing nut-case![/quote]i dont think you’re any kind of a nutcase. I think you’re a fairly typical juror. I think you’d acquit chaunvin, and i think most people willa gree with that result.
by definition, if your viewpoint is accepted as normal by the majority, you’re not a nut, you’re a sane individual.
i might be a nutcase, in fact ive been told im a nutcase, and i dispute that, but im much more likely to be a nutcase than you are. I woudl say, based on your comment, you are definitely not a nutcase.
IM going to try to restate your opinion, and feel free to correct me if im getting it wrong, because i dont want to put words in your mouth.
I think your opinion is basically, dude had it coming to him, good riddance, clean up the streets, victim rights>defendant rights, harsher penalties, and if we can’t lock guys up forever, then let the police work it out with them on the streets.
there’s nothing abnormal about that opinion. You could state it a little more clearly though.
just say it. stop being so PC
screw these dirtbags.[/quote]
Scaredy, earlier today, I remembered your “translation” when I saw ALL LIVES MATTER in all caps on facebook. You write so well. How would interpret ALL LIVES MATTER in response to BLM?[/quote]
BLM: Systemic Racism keeps black people down.
ALM: The system is fair and color blind.
BLM: In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population.
ALM: Each of those cases was heard in a neutral, color blind court.
BLM: So black people are just more dangerous?
ALM: You said it, not me. And I think you may be the racist here.
BLM: African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. Doesn’t that at least begin to suggest there might be some societal problem.
ALM: No. We all have free will. We all make decisions. And we will all be held accountable for our decisions.
BLM: What about the history of America? Does that not have any effect on today.
ALM: What’s past is past. It’s so long ago. My ancestors didn’t hold slaves or incarcerate southern blacks for petty crimes and force labor. All we can do is address the present moment.
BLM: So long ago? Seems like only yesterday marrying a white woman was a crime. Arent we all the product of the infinite range of social forces that bear upon us?
ALM: Perhaps, but it’s irrelevant to doing justice today. We do it case by case.
BLM: Well, it sure doesn’t seem like justice is being done to some folk. It definitely feels like blacks are going to get different treatment from the cops and courts than whites. Even if things are just, which I’m not conceding, isn’t it problematic that things don’t appear just?
ALM: Deal with it.
BLM: Are you for reals saying nothing needs to change.
ALM: Pretty much. We have the greatest country with the greatest justice system and the best police int he world.
BLM: For reals? Fuck you.
ALM: You people need to learn some manners.
(mutual combat fighting ensues when ALM puts his forefinger in BLM’s face; cops arrive, shoot the black guy, dust off the white guy)).
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June 5, 2020 at 9:27 AM #817970Participant
ALM: see this video? It proves wearent racist. If youre a 75 uear old guy, we will try to kill you to, just for being there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484
Our country ti
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June 5, 2020 at 9:29 AM #817972Participant
My country, ’tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing;
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the pilgrims’ pride,
From ev’ry mountainside
Let freedom ring!My native country, thee,
Land of the noble free,
Thy name I love;
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills;
My heart with rapture thrills,
Like that above.Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom’s song;
Let mortal tongues awake;
Let all that breathe partake;
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.Our fathers’ God to Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing.
Long may our land be bright,
With freedom’s holy light,
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June 5, 2020 at 9:56 AM #817975
ucodegen
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]ALM: see this video? It proves wearent racist. If youre a 75 uear old guy, we will try to kill you to, just for being there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484
Our country ti[/quote]
That bleeding from the ear is quite bad. I’ve seen it before from a person in an accident. That person did not survive. Prognosis is not necessarily good. It can be a symptom of bleeding around the brain (hemorrhagic stroke). You can hear how hard the head hit the pavement. Watch the hand go lax in a delay after impact, head drop back to the ground (person was trying to hold it up). Unconscious not due to impact, but due to bleeding. If the impact made him unconscious, the hand would have been immediately relaxed, head against pavement. -
June 5, 2020 at 10:06 AM #817976Participant
Here’s the kicker. The official police report is the man “tripped and fell”.
…and this La Mesa police here claimed he was assaulted (may be after he ran a check and didn’t find anything against the victim so got to make up some shit to justify the violation of his civil rights).
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June 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM #817998Participant
[quote=scaredyclassic]ALM: see this video? It proves wearent racist. If youre a 75 uear old guy, we will try to kill you to, just for being there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484
Our country ti[/quote]
57 of em resigned from the unit( but not the force) – used the old I was just following orders routine.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-suspension-shoving-man-trnd/index.html
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June 4, 2020 at 9:54 AM #817901Guest
[quote=zk][quote=NeetaT]No,I will not say his name “George Floyd”.
But!!!!!
I will say their names: Aracely Henriquez, Angel Negrete,
Amanda Negrete, and Juan Botello.These are the people that George Floyd robbed at gunpoint and caused years of PTSD in their lives.
Thank you![/quote]
Has anyone else noticed how many rwnj posts on social media now are similar to this one? Kind of weird, pointless, tangential jabs that sort of allude to something but don’t really make any sense? I see a lot of that now, now that they’re just so wrong about so many things that they can’t even make a cogent case for their stances.[/quote]
It’s part of Trumpism to defect to something else and claim directly or implicitly that “they don’t talk about that”. Trump’s speeches are full of “they don’t take about that”.
It implies there is this liberal conspiracy to hurt Trump (or White people, or substitute whoever) by not talking about that, that being something more important, much more unjust. It reinforces the feeling of victimhood they feel.
In White Fragility, Robin di angelo, points out that White people at set off by generalizations. If you say the police is corrupt, they refuse to look at context; they immediately get riled up and come back with “there some bad apples”. And of course, because of white fragility, I need to add that not all white people are like that — only the people the author, who is White, discusses in her book.
It’s a slightly different form of what-aboutism that the Russians developed during the Cold War. It’s not logical, but it’s demagoguery that works. Tom Nichols discusses that in The Death of Expertise. Example: if you say “the climate is warming”, they’ll say “it’s cold outside.” So rather that talking about climate change, you end talking about how it being cold outside is not relevant.
Also, in a post facts world there are no longer commonly accepted truths or principles. Unless everything is tightly documented, people will always question with “says who?”, hence the death of expertise. Plus expertise is elitist and not to be trusted.
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June 1, 2020 at 11:11 AM #817738Participant
it’s about every Asian American that gets fucked over by white apologetics that uses their influence to screw over another minority group and taking advantage of another minority group that historically has a much less inclination to retaliate.
Sorry this is a white/Black problem created by some white people for which the appeasement solution created by another set of white people has consequences for some other minority group.
I didn’t, nor did any of my ancestors, enslave any black people, or lynch them nor did most other Asian American, and none of us need to apologize for this shit. That’s a white person’s burden that apologetics can own all to themselves if they have a guilty conscience.
This isn’t my fight. I’d rather spend my time helping other Asian Americans that get screwed over by those other white people that don’t seem to mind screwing over Asian Americans to try to pay off a social burden debt. That is my fight.
But Brian, since you appear to have a white person’s burden. Tell you what. Why don’t you offer your addresses of your rental properties in Vegas so that some really mad African Americans can go burn them down. Seems to me that would be fair.
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June 1, 2020 at 11:16 AM #817739Guest
Yeah, pick your fight.
However, how does reforming the police hurt Asian Americans?You seem unable step back outside of yourself and look at structural issues we face as a society. It’s always about you.
I call the police every so often to protect my interests. However, I know that the system is broken.
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June 3, 2020 at 12:34 AM #817852Participant
[quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah, pick your fight.
However, how does reforming the police hurt Asian Americans?You seem unable step back outside of yourself and look at structural issues we face as a society. It’s always about you.
I call the police every so often to protect my interests. However, I know that the system is broken.[/quote]
Wow, Brian, personal again? Taking the high road again?
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June 3, 2020 at 9:23 AM #817865Guest
Corona, read your own comments.
The topic was police abuse. You steered the conversation to your own grievances. I just stayed the obvious.
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June 1, 2020 at 11:37 AM #817740Participant
Riots are noble ….unit it’s your property in Vegas that is burning down.
It’s only property that belongs to a white person, right? What’s the address(s) to your Vegas rentals again, Brian?
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June 1, 2020 at 7:31 PM #817772Participant
don’t worry, apologetic white people are starting to pin this on the Asian american cop that stood by and did nothing..After all, once again, that’s what apologetic white people do in this situation ….as they always do. blame the asian male
dude and call our his race. It figures.Funny when a black person hurls “go back to China” at many Asian Americans lately, as fully documented many times, news doesn’t seem to cover that and say “Racist Black person hurls racially intimidating cvood threats at Asian Americans. We need to talk about that” ..
Where are all the white sympathizers jumping off their feet to publicly say that’s wrong? Please white apologetics…don’t trip over each other’s feet running to the door to write that headline! As long at you got that Asian American spouse, you can check the box and make the claim that you have “diversity” in your blood, lol.-
June 1, 2020 at 9:21 PM #817775Guest
Corona, you’re airing perceived grievances and reaching to conclusions on the day security forces gas peaceful protesters just so Trump can visit a Church to which he wasn’t invited.
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June 1, 2020 at 10:29 PM #817776Participant
The problems kinda like covid 19.
We botched it all so bad at the beginning theres no good course of action.
Yeah, america should be apologetic for slavery and its aftermath. But its too late to maje it right
But damn the 2nd waves gonna be bad.id say quarantine again by august
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June 1, 2020 at 10:38 PM #817779Participant
Brian,
As echoed by others in other threads…..
[img_assist|nid=27123|title=no_one_gives_a_shit_what_you_think_brian|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=1000|height=800]
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June 1, 2020 at 10:59 PM #817781Guest
Corona, it’s not what I think. It’s what you did.
The blood is still fresh on the streets and you’re already reaching to conclusions over how poor little you will suffer from policies that no one has yet put forth.Like I said, so much for the constitution and freedom.
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June 1, 2020 at 11:41 PM #817785Guest
Police officers convicted for fatal shootings are the exception, not the rule
Since 2005, research shows that only 35 officers have been convicted of a crime related to an on-duty fatal shooting.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/police-officers-convicted-fatal-shootings-are-exception-not-rule-n982741An Ex-Cop Keeps The Country’s Best Data Set On Police Misconduct
philip stinson police prosecutions from fivethirtyeight.com
Apr 22, 2015 · Phil Stinson. BGSU Marketing & Communications. Stinson, 50, has become an indispensable source for researchers and reporters looking into alleged crimes and acts of violence by policeAn Ex-Cop Keeps The Country’s Best Data Set On Police Misconduct
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June 2, 2020 at 1:32 PM #817798Participant
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June 2, 2020 at 11:17 PM #817843Guest
John Oliver has a good analysis on bad apples.
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June 9, 2020 at 12:19 AM #818126Guest
Protesters have been demonstrating in front of the American embassy in London.
pretty nice building. I love it. Remember Trump was complaining about the cost.
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