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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Scaredy: No, not completely unreasonable. But what other things contributed to that situation you reference?

And, your argument presupposes that the $20k check gets spent wisely.

A good friend of mine does scouting/recruiting for a Big Ten school. He has told me, repeatedly, about visiting homes all over the country, where people live in fairly abject circumstances, but there’s a plasma big screen TV, a nice ride outside and the kids are sporting iPhones and expensive kicks.

Problem is more thorny than any of us imagine and my concern would be reparations simply becomes another gubment handout.[/quote]

True. Native american casino checks are often reportedly consumed in unwise ways. Sometimes those checks seem like very indirect and weird reparations.

Doesn’t mean reparations aren’t due. The nazis probly owed the Jews some cash, even if the Jews were gonna blow it all on some high quality coke to ease the pain.

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I think the best hope for the future is very high rates of intermarriage and a lessening if past connection to historical identity.

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I think the damages from slavery so dwarf the Japanese damages that they are essentially unpayable.

If Barack Had said

“In remembering, it is important to come to grips with the past. No nation can fully understand itself or find its place in the world if it does not look with clear eyes at all the glories and disgraces of its past. We in the United States acknowledge such an injustice in our history. The internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry was a great injustice, and it will never be repeated.”

Instead of bush, America woulda flipped out.

Why?

Because we did bad by black people and never made amends…

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Why should Americans who weren’t even alive during WWII pay money to Asians for an imprisonment that happened 40 years earlier?

How does 20k help?

If you were a black teen living in a crappy project in a single parent family in a drug infested neighborhood with crappy schools and lots of people you know we’re in and out of prison, would it seem completely unreasonable that slavery was in some small part a bit responsible for the current plight of your community even if you couldn’t prove it?

If so wouldn’t you think it unfair to pay off the Asians and apologize for the injustice and ignore you?

Maybe. I might.

Food stamps aren’t “reparations”.

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Basically the time for reparations is when the injury is fresh…

Yet the injury continues.

Impossible to prove causation tho…

I’d suspect the black community still suffers in some unprovable way the effects of slavery…

If not.. Around what year would you say it stopped?

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Reparations, like apologies, are about far more than money.

All the issues you raise are good ones though…

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Perhaps black leadership should haveen fighting harder for damages…proofs a lot harder than in the Japanese case though…they waited too long for litigation…

Jews got reparations from Germany post WWII …

Imagine how the issue would’ve been seen by the USA back close in time to emancipation.

I can imagine being part of an underclass and not wanting to be a part of the system due to past injustices.

How can we justify paying money damages to the Japanese but not to blacks?

I remember arguments existed on both sides…

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Was not slavery and the years subsequent a far greater disgrace than internment during wartime?

Have we as a nation ever done anything to redress the wrong?

Affirmative action, I guess…not much of an apology.

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In 1988, U.S. President Ronald Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, which had been sponsored by Representative Norman Mineta and Senator Alan K. Simpson – the two had met while Mineta was interned at a camp in Wyoming – which provided redress of $20,000 for each surviving detainee, totaling $1.2 billion. The question of to whom reparations should be given, how much, and even whether monetary reparations were appropriate were subjects of sometimes contentious debate.[98]

On September 27, 1992, the Civil Liberties Act Amendments of 1992, appropriating an additional $400 million to ensure all remaining internees received their $20,000 redress payments, was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, who also issued another formal apology from the U.S. government on December 7, 1991, on the very day of the 50th-Anniversary of the Pearl Harbor Attack:

“In remembering, it is important to come to grips with the past. No nation can fully understand itself or find its place in the world if it does not look with clear eyes at all the glories and disgraces of its past. We in the United States acknowledge such an injustice in our history. The internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry was a great injustice, and it will never be repeated.”

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I don’t know. Maybe it was just the “right” answer. There were many, many legal issues, including how it would be financed and it was necessary to argue pro and con on all the issues. Can’t remember the issues…

Conservative student body… Maybe they forgot to argue the pro fully. Lots of grumbling about how “weird” the question was…

That was a good test for me.

But whoopie do is about right, ultimately. It was a silly issue, right?

Didn’t we recently give reparations to the Japanese in camps during WWII ?

I distinctly remember many of the legal issues were raised in one clause of one sentence in a lengthy question, tucked away. I never forgot that. Read carefully. The issue or answer orimpirtant winning point is often tucked away somewhere…

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=ctr70]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324448104578618681599902640.html?mod=hp_opinion

Here is an opinion piece in the WSJ from Shelby Steele that really nails it all. He is a black scholar at Stanford and very articulate. Would love to see this guy debate Al Sharpton.[/quote]

That was an excellent opinion piece. Sadly, it will either be ignored by those who should read it most, or Mr. Steele will be derided as “not authentically black” or a sellout.[/quote]

Plus one for the article.

That is also true.

This “hard work” he talks about, in actually helping black youth.

What is it?

How much is personal responsibility and how much the governments?

And while the indictment if the leadership rings true…do we still beat any responsibility as a nation to help black youth?

Or are they on their own?

In 1993 my constit. Law final was on the issue of a hypothetical slavery reparations law.

I got a very high grade. 2d highest in lg class.

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If we had half as many children could labor demand more money?

Are there just too many of us?

Should I have had less kids?

I’m sorry.

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http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/racism_and_trayvon_martin_how_to_think_and_talk_constructively_after_the.html?original_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dhow%2Bto%2Btalk%2Babout%2Brace%2Bsaletan%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari

Sounds right…

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http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2013/07/20/justicefortrayvon-where-is-justice-for-christopher-cervini-jury-finds-black-man-not-guilty-after-he-shot-unarmed-white-teen-in-self-defense/

story on black guy shooting white kid gets an NG in NY.

perhaps the problems of America are unfixable.

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Criminal juries. Right. Civil ones just figure out what probably happened.

In either case they’re not particularly designed to find the truth.

In criminal cases its definitely not (or at least shouldnt be) about deciding what really happened, since it is often unknowable.

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