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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=scaredyclassic]agreed. i think this is good. maybe to cut down on insurance costs, businesses can bring on as partial owners all kinds of people with all kinds of exclusionary and unique religious beliefs that make it impossible to provide insurance. this way, no one can have any insurance of any knd! it’ll be really cheap! the jehovah’s witness police avoiding all surgeries should be cut rate. why should only JW businesses get that advantage? let all businesses have a JW on board to get that benefit…
actually maybe a business can broker out these religious owners to small businesses to help avoid insurance costs…[/quote]
You make a joke, but you’ve inadvertently touched on two key issues here. The first is that the ACA has done nothing to cut private insurers out of the mix, perpetuating the fucked up, neither fish nor fowl system, and, second, it illuminates the coercive power of the government to run roughshod over anything in its path.
You seem to bemoan the restrictions placed on this collectivist piece of shit legislation, while conveniently ignoring that we’re a nation of individuals, some of whom might associate with others of similar beliefs or ideologies.
I’m thinking there was some piece of legislation that President Clinton passed in 1993 that covered that.[/quote]
ah..frankly I don’t care…i don’t know the ins or outs…i hate obamacare myself…but this business of religion litigating health care just …well..sickens me…
we need to start developping some religions right now that will be sincere and profitable in terms of gaining competitive market advantages…or using relgions that currently exist and finetuning them…
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=scaredyclassic]”turns out that Hobby Lobby’s 401(k) employee retirement plan, according to documents filed with the Labor Department and written about by Mother Jones, is heavily invested in the very pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the products the company refuses to cover for its employees.
Yup, Hobby Lobby has about $73 million yuan invested in the company that makes the Plan B morning-after pill, another that makes a copper IUD, the maker of the abortion-inducing drugs and health companies that cover surgical abortions.
In her 35-page dissent, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg quoted from another case that underscores the importance of birth control to women: “The ability of women to participate equally in the economic and social life of the Nation has been facilitated by their ability to control their reproductive lives” (1992’s Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey).
But the five male justices who ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby just handed employers a powerful tool to opt out of laws they don’t like. Hear that, everyone? If you want the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, you better check out the religious beliefs of your bosses.
How do they feel about your sex life? Are they cool with the monthly birth control pills you take to control your endometriosis? Do they think you or your children should be immunized, or is that against their religion?
The door is now open for all that.”[/quote]
Scaredy: So, if I understand this correctly, because Hobby Lobby invests in those pharma companies that make the products they’re complaining about, what? They’re hypocrites? I’m guessing those selfsame pharma companies make a wide variety of products beyond just those cited, correct? Making that argument risible and a red herring.
Beyond that, Hobby Lobby had no issue with 16 of the 20 birth control products listed, just those four considered abortifacients. So, they’re not really attacking a woman’s right to economic participation, as per Ginsberg, are they?
This is cheap, partisan rhetoric to gin up the Democratic base and continue the notional “War on Women”, which at this point is just a war on common sense and, you know, facts.[/quote]
yes. HYPOCRITES. if you are so sincerely aghast at these products, mr hobby lobby, you wouldn’t invest in their producer. if you are appalled by apartheid in the 80s, you don’t invest in south africa…or if you do, and people call you a HYPOCRITE you have no response other than, yeah, I want to make as much money as possible and have as few expenses as possible… you don’t stack krugerrands and pretend to support Mandela…
and in the current case cloak it all in Christianity for litigation purposes…
risible? red herring?
hobby lobby is the one pretedning to have these overwhelmingly improtant principles…but only insofar as they apply to providing coverage..and they’re not doctors…able to opine on its medical necessity..just a BUSINESS….but when it comes to profiteering and investing…there are NO PRINCIPLES..only profit…if they could get a decent return on a conglomerate that had a diviosn running highly profitable abortion mills and it was ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL, i suspect they’d pony up the cash…
and where does it end? obamacare is lame, yes, and it’sall ridiculous, and single payer makes much more sense, and maybe it doesn’t matter that our wealthy nation just doesn’t give a crap about it’s people enoughto give them some basic health care,…
i guess the goal is utimately profit…but to couch it all in terms of sicnerely held religious belief…sheesh…
i could vomit..
Participantagreed. i think this is good. maybe to cut down on insurance costs, businesses can bring on as partial owners all kinds of people with all kinds of exclusionary and unique religious beliefs that make it impossible to provide insurance. this way, no one can have any insurance of any knd! it’ll be really cheap! the jehovah’s witness police avoiding all surgeries should be cut rate. why should only JW businesses get that advantage? let all businesses have a JW on board to get that benefit…
actually maybe a business can broker out these religious owners to small businesses to help avoid insurance costs…
Participant[quote=paramount]sex is elective.[/quote]
consensual sex is.
Participantif I’m a christian scientist, can I just provide a reading room instead of health insurance?
some religions don’t believe in blood transfusions…better check with your employer to see what they believe…why should I have to pay for your blood transfusion if it’s against my religion?
“That question is there, of course, because of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This Christian sect was founded in 1872 by Charles Russell, and its members’ stance on blood transfusion is derived from their interpretation of Genesis 9 and Leviticus 17 to “not eat from the bread of life,” as well as the verses in Acts 15:20, Acts 21:25, and elsewhere that Christians must “abstain from … blood.” Adherents do not accept blood products, regardless of the possibility of death. For Jehovah’s Witnesses, receiving blood products may lead to excommunication from their community and fear of eternal damnation.”
seems like there’s no way we can have jehovahs witnesses businesses cover blood transfusions. so i guess you can’t really have that surgery without the blood transfusion. this is going to be really great to have religion involved in deciding all kinds of medical care! awesome!
ParticipantChristian prinicples of course when it comes to expenses.
but if it’s finding the cheapest slave labor chinese shit to sell in your hobby lobby, Jesus would probably want you to maximize the bottom line.
And im sure they cover paid maternity leave and all that.
(of course they they don’t…don’t be silly…they don’t give away money to peons who work for them…the y just pay lawyers to litigate for control of of their employyees’ bodies which employees may just not share the belief of their overseer master litigating boss…)…
aside from the expenses of who is paying for whose rubbers maybe there isme swathof Americans who might become disenchanted Christians if only pushed far enough by Christians litigating women’s health issues. maybe not.
i guessthis is democracy in action
Participant“turns out that Hobby Lobby’s 401(k) employee retirement plan, according to documents filed with the Labor Department and written about by Mother Jones, is heavily invested in the very pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the products the company refuses to cover for its employees.
Yup, Hobby Lobby has about $73 million invested in the company that makes the Plan B morning-after pill, another that makes a copper IUD, the maker of the abortion-inducing drugs and health companies that cover surgical abortions.
In her 35-page dissent, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg quoted from another case that underscores the importance of birth control to women: “The ability of women to participate equally in the economic and social life of the Nation has been facilitated by their ability to control their reproductive lives” (1992’s Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey).
But the five male justices who ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby just handed employers a powerful tool to opt out of laws they don’t like. Hear that, everyone? If you want the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, you better check out the religious beliefs of your bosses.
How do they feel about your sex life? Are they cool with the monthly birth control pills you take to control your endometriosis? Do they think you or your children should be immunized, or is that against their religion?
The door is now open for all that.”
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Never even stepped foot in a hobby lobby store.
I know people who swore to boycott Chickfilet, but they are always drawn back by some delicious stuff. I’ve been there maybe twice. Nothing special.[/quote]
i wouldnt eat that crap if you paid me $50.00
ParticipantMuch thicker.
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ParticipantI may have told this story before, but my dedication to adding a bit of muscle dates back to a day sometime in 2010 when I was having extreme difficulty wrestling a 40 lb bad of dog food out of the trunk of my car.
I got a glimpse into the future and it was not pretty.
I have always had thinnish arms but I could see they were starting to look like what I consider “old man arms”. Not fully there by any means, but the writing was on the wall. Thin, white bony appendages, with some loose age-marked skin dangling off the bone—is this really where I wanted to be in 10 or so years? Humiliated to roll my sleeves up, let alone take my shirt off?
No! No!
I wanted thick meaty forearms with rippling muscles and powerful tendons, capable of squeezing, gripping and choking the life out of others.
Fast forward a few years. My forearms now are in my view definitely not an embarrassment, but not wonderful. I can only imagine that they would be much thinner and weaker had I done nothing. But I w as starting with bad material, skinny little bony twigs and a predisposition to stay that way. Some men just have a nice chunk of a forearm as teens, and that’s the way they are.
. It’s not that they eat more or exercise more. They are meaty. Nice meaty muscly fellows. I have gone through periods in the last few years where I ingest tons of protein, way more than necessary, and work out super hard, and get little bitty results. And im grateful for those. Seriously. But others might do the same thing and be gifted with an awe inspiring bod.
My forearms, even with special attention and care, add muscle at a very very slow rate. There are many men who with no effort at all, started with far more impressive forearms, claves, buttock, neck, quadricep than I might ever possess even if I dedicated my life to those muscle’s development. My calves. Ach! My calves are shameful. Muscly, sort of, in a stringy way, like a non-USDA approved piece of meat, and strong enough to get me around and about, but shameful and unmanly looking to me.
My goal is to just try to at worst stop any muscle loss going forward, and to gain an ounce of muscle here and there when possible.
This sounds easy, but adding a bit of muscle requires a very high level of perceived exertion on my part.
ParticipantBut if we could gain weight in our penises, men would eat whatever it takes.
The Penis Diet.
ParticipantOne thing is clear and proven: you will never gain weight in your penis.
ParticipantWhy can’t I get thick stout proud legs. Why must I suffer the indignity of strutting about on these chicken legs?
It is what it is.
Spindly though actually much improved forearms.
Skinny little neck.
Flattish buttocks.
Yeesh.
At least I have sound knees. Also certain back muscles seem to respond better to training than most of me.
The body is mysterious.
I was not meant to be muscly. I think I was meant to balance the books.
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