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[quote=CA renter][quote=FlyerInHi]Yes, people should be encouraged to renegotiate their debts and preserve their standards of living.

When it comes to cities in financial difficulty, the right thing to do is not to keep on paying creditors. You have to preserve good services to protect the future of the city.[/quote]

That depends very much on which side you’re on (creditor or debtor). If contracts no longer mean anything, what does that do to an economy and society?[/quote]

it doesn’t mean contracts are meaninhless. Bankruptcy is foreseeable and can be negotiated with that possibility in mind.

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[quote=spdrun]Terrorizing a family after killing one of them isn’t error — it’s a crime.[/quote]

Fair enough. I meant error in the sense of system failure …

It’s fairly apparent that many police are willing to lie when it is perceived as necessary to achieve justice as they see it.

That’s just human too.

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I guess the base question is whether you have a baseline level if trust that the police will do the right thing and what your tolerance for error is. Depends of course on your dxperience.

Many communities know for a certainty that they do not trust the police.

thus their tolerance for error may be very low.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=no_such_reality][quote=scaredyclassic]how does your body smell?[/quote]

Low grade morning after campfire smell

Second shower with it after cleaning the gutters wasn’t as strong but still very noticeable

My eyes know it though. They feel like I’ve been sitting around a fire.[/quote]

How would you classify this smell: good or bad? Does it smell toxic, burning chemical-strong, or just woodsy-campfire strong? The soap sounds intriguing, but the harshness of the smell might keep us from buying it.[/quote]

my wife describes it as “horrible”. But I assume it’ll grow on her.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]also, when they choke out a middle aged white lawyer when he refuses a citation for for a leaky sprinkler, it’ll take some of the gusto out of the race argument.

or some mouth white soccer mom having a bad day venting at a traffic cop and refusing some command or other. choke her out![/quote]

I think there have been some cases where mouthy white women were roughly treated by some cops. And then there were these cases, which I find every bit as disturbing as the Garner case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiH4vFdpY_I

http://www.infowars.com/georgia-police-strip-search-drivers-during-minor-traffic-stops/

White mom in minivan gets tasered in front of her kids:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html%5B/quote%5D

tasered through winter clothing? Please. She needed to get shot if she were a big black dude in a winter coat which a teaser can’t poenetrate. At least a beatdown. Refusing direct police orders? Very dangerous….the taser did nothing under the circs.e

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there ar emany many crimes. perhaps the police should read the local ordinances in our villages more carefully. maybe there’s some white people to choke for many infractions of the law. submit, you codebreaking white person…

there sa really intriguing blog ill track down about black kids documenting their stops with cops not resulting ina rrests. just various hassles, where cops are checking for warrants and such…pretty grim…wonder how we’d feel in temecula if cops just stoppped our local white kids, sat em ont he curb with their skateboards for a while, ran em for warrants routinesly. searched e for weed. get em int eh juvenile system where we can keep an eye on them….

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it kinda seems less reasonable to choke out some fat old disputatious noncompliant white old lawyer in a lawn argument than a big black guy ina crappy neighborhood selling cigareettes?

but why?

choke choke choke!

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also, when they choke out a middle aged white lawyer when he refuses a citation for for a leaky sprinkler, it’ll take some of the gusto out of the race argument.

or some mouth white soccer mom having a bad day venting at a traffic cop and refusing some command or other. choke her out!

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so ive been using it every shower i take, and i shower only at the gym. maybe because the area is bigger it seems less pungent. i feel more woodsy with it. it seems to be good on my feet. my feet have some dirty flakiness to them, but ive been using this pine tar soap and scrubbing the hell out of them with a pedicure brush, and they seem pink and lovely, or at least lovelier again in justa week or two. i like this soap.

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that’s not a bad idea. cops could stake out super wealthy areas and enforce very minor infractions. there’d be less resistance, much mroe payment…

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how does your body smell?

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the way it is now,” by Charles Bukowski from Open All Night (Black Sparrow Press).
the way it is now
I’ll tell you
I’ve lived with some gorgeous women
and I was so bewitched by those
beautiful creatures that
my eyebrows twitched.
but I’d rather drive to New York
backwards
than to live with any of them
again.
the next classic stupidity
will be the history
of those fellows
who inherit my female
legacies.
in their case
as in mine
they will find
that madness
is caused by not
being often enough
alone.

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Ooh. I have an eBay bid ending shortly. But this sounds intriguing

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[quote=no_such_reality]Yes I do. I grew up guns. I’ve known since I was six that you KNOW what you are shooting at before you shoot. Mistakes happen. Pulling the trigger fifteen times is not a mistake.

Their job is tough isn’t an excuse to kill people because they are over their heads.

I know it’s a sh*t job. Go watch the video of Ramos spoiling to beat Kelly Thomas.

Quit making excuses for excessive behavior.

What you are saying is when a cop stops me because he think I did a rolling stop late a night, I need to fear for my life because he deals with shit and is justified to have a hair trigger that he assumes I’m a deadly threat to him.

Not acceptable.

Even more dangerous is your attitude only cops can judge cops.

The attitude you display is the attitude that has tolerated the escalating militarization of our police forcec. The civilian public is the enemy.

I know most of the cops are good people. That truely want to help the community. Doing a sh*t job.

But the tolerance for the police training and relying on the overwhelming force is dangerous for our Republic and the population at large.[/quote]

if the police do something unreasonable to one of us, we will suddenly hold them to much higher stds. Of performance.

For instance let’s say you call to report a burglary. Cops come to your house and cuff you to your kitchen table take the statement. Guns drawn upon entry of course. May have to kick in yr. Door to make sure you don’t get the jump on them. After all you do have a lot of guns in your house. You could be nuts. Can’t be too safe, could be a setup. Who knows who’s calling. No probkem.

Perhaps that would be “reasonable” in shifty neighborhoods but no CV?

also cops are kind of into the perceived danger and adrenaline. That’s why they pick that job.

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IBM Selectric
by Charles Bukowski
humming,
it will do almost anything you
ask it to do.
humming
beneath its smooth gray paint
the machine
knows.
even death stands back and
asks, “what the hell is
this?”
humming,
it astonishes the walls, the
windows, the cats, the ashtray,
the wooden Buddha and
me.
this machine can save my life.
this machine *has* saved my
life.
this machine can create a woman
more beautiful than
any you have ever seen
or
it can
punch a bully in the
nose.
humming,
this machine is
love found again
in a flood of 
fire.
this machine is
a dance floor
a wild circus
a refuge for the
nearly insane.
this machine
sprouts tiny flowers of courage
in the middle of the night.
this machine
throws off sparks of light
when the dark is as dark as
dark can get.
when I recognize
the futility of my
efforts,
when I feel
age like the blade of death,
when I feel
like jumping out of the window
at 2 a.m.
this machine
this amazing machine
stands between me 
and that
as it creates
magical poems on
8 1/2 by 11
sheets of paper
which 
literally save
my poor
ass.
this old electric
typewriter
that sounds like
a
washing
machine.

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