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Participantwhat about gay priests? does that indicate a lack of self acceptance and fear of who they are? more evidence that it’s all a massive simulation.
The notion that many Catholic priests are quietly gay is not new. In the 2000 book ” The Changing Face of the Priesthood,” Rev. Donald B. Cozzens suggested that the priesthood was increasingly becoming a gay profession. Cozzens estimated that as much as 58 percent of priests were gay, and that percentages were even higher for younger priests. His numbers matched previous estimates by sociologists who put the numbers of gay priests between 10 and 60 percent.
Father Gary Meier, a gay, St. Louis-based Catholic clergymen, says there’s a wide range of statistics out there on gay priests, but jokes that in his experience, “30 percent are gay, 30 percent are straight, and 30 percent are in denial.”
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]. . . and will at least briefly consider fucking anything, living or not.[/quote]
Reminds me of a recent report of an interview with Quincy Jones: ” The talk’s most colorful moment had to do with the sexual habits of Marlon Brando, whom Jones asserts would “f*ck a mailbox.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spin.com/2018/02/richard-pryor-widow-sex-marlon-brando-bisexual%3famp=1
I wasn’t sure whether that was a colorful idiom I hadn’t heard before or an example of Quincy Jones’ creativity with words. Funny though.[/quote]
“it was the ’70s! Drugs were still good, especially quaaludes. If you did enough cocaine, you’d f*** a radiator and send it flowers in the morning.”
wait, Richard Pryor had sex with Marlon brando. that’s intriguing!!! his diaries may be published soon. I would read that.
I wou l d not however have sex with a mailbox. a pumpkin, sure, but not a mailbox. a soft mound of earth. a piece of fur. some liver. but definitely no mailboxes
ParticipantI think its just common knowledge that men are pretty disgusting, sexual ly, and will at least briefly consider fucking anything, living or not.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]also the articles say there’s no formal study, just that insurance rates for priests are the same as rabbis and other religious leaders.
target still a better bet if im going with my gut. religiosity when extreme seems more likely to be a cover for deviant sexuality, to me.but that could just be my own warped perception mirrored through my Baseline mistrust.[/quote]
I know that this is unfair, but I am pretty suspicious of ANY man who puts himself in a position to have unsupervised interaction with kids. Not that I think they are all bad, but I don’t trust my instincts enough to be sure which ones are good. Too many bad experiences – in my opinion COACHES WERE THE WORST – not religious types. And I think you’re seeing that now (Olympic gymnastics doctor, etc.). I can’t find it right now but I’ve seen a statistic that educators are worse than all the other groups and there’s even more cover up in that domain.[/quote]
men are risky. I agree. i would never trust anyone who likes kids. better to go with a kid hater, if push comes to shove.
best day care workers for me are female atheists who despise children. biased, yeah, but that’s my opinion.
that said, we had a male day care guy for years and I trusted him 100%.
personally, I can be trusted 100 %, but its never an issue because I’m wayyyyy too paranoid to be alone with anyone else’s kids
Participantalso the articles say there’s no formal study, just that insurance rates for priests are the same as rabbis and other religious leaders.
target still a better bet if im going with my gut. religiosity when extreme seems more likely to be a cover for deviant sexuality, to me.but that could just be my own warped perception mirrored through my Baseline mistrust.
Participant[quote=njtosd]The problem is not priests – they are no more likely to abuse than are other males. https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625%3famp=1
“There is no plausible evidence that Catholic priests are gangs of sexual predators, as they are being portrayed,” said Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar, and a non-Catholic who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.
Generally speaking, the problem is men – especially that darling of law school cases, the “mother’s boyfriend.”[/quote]
ok. fair enough. but still, one might expect our spiritual leaders who we trust with our immortal souls to rape substantially less often than just regular joes.
and not to cover it up. at least Target would call the cops.
Participantwould anyone in their right mind trust any Christian authority figure, including the Pope, to be alone with one’s children for even ten minutes?
HELLLLLL NO!
if not, why would you trust them with their soul?
answer, you know the soul isn’t real, but think the body is real, even though we pretend the soul exists and matters.
hell id trust any random cashier at target before id trust a religious authority figure to watch my kid. call me cynical, but if you want religious authority over others, I assume you are a fucked up person.
7 percent of Australian priests were molestors. cashiers probably much better risk as a group.
maybe the popes right, too much negativity, that’s just 7 perc. nothing to see here. the headline should accentuate the positive, revised, 93 percent of priests restrain themselves from sexual ly assaulting others. a mere 1 in 14 rape kids..
what would it take to lose moral authority? 15 perc. rapists? 45% rapists?
for me, 7 is enough…
but i knew they were all sex fiends back before the scandal broke in the 90s. hell, everyone knew, no one cared, Pope on down.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]
maybe the Christian part is irrelevant then. there are nice people and Jerks. the jesus thing is just anot her vague identifier, like being a republican or being into fishing, or maybe a c osmic insurance policy, or a primitive anti-anxiety medication.
I’m not scared of individual Christians. heck I married one. I like highly moral thoughtful people who believe they will be punished for moral c ode violations.
I just get nervous when people say jesus 2 much[/quote]
I was also wondering how the Christian part was relevant. I don’t think faith is a prerequisite or even an inducement to doing good.
About what we see in the media, Trump blocked Syrian refugees because the evangelicals don’t want Muslims. Individual Christians do affect policies that result in much less aggregate good.
Remember when the US didn’t allow Jews fleeing the Nazis?[/quote]
raising ones kids Christian is a good intro to the hypocritical nature of most human run irganizatiins
Participantthe volume of jesus stuff coming out of a person’s mouth is inversely proportional to how nice they are.
school prayer advocates terrify me, plus, they’re unchristian…
Matthew 6:5-15 New International Version (NIV)
Prayer
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]
are the true Christians the ones waving flags talking about how the usa is a world force for christianity and G-d bless our troops n bombs keeping our nation safe for jesus?[/quote]
My father in law used to say that nuns generally fell into to two categories – very nice or very mean. There were the ones who perceived faith as a way to elevate the population and those who used it as a way to condemn. I actually see that in almost every profession – teachers (some want to teach, some like being in control of the group), doctors (some want to improve your health, some like being wealthy and perceived as a higher status), lawyers (some like arguing, some like justice), etc. And so it is with Christians (which I intend to include Catholics and all other Christ based religions) – some have seen the light and some perceive it as a weapon to apply against others.
My father in law was a very devout Catholic. You would never have seen him waving flags. But you would have seen him making house calls for the elderly into the 1990s (he was a family doctor/surgeon), writing off bills for people who were short on cash and chatting with people who literally made appointments to see him because they had no one else to talk to. He charged them something like $12 for a 1/2 hour appointment. The turnout at his funeral included a lot of those people – it was very heartwarming.
When is anyone going to accept that what we see in the media is not a representative sampling?[/quote]
maybe the Christian part is irrelevant then. there are nice people and Jerks. the jesus thing is just anot her vague identifier, like being a republican or being into fishing, or maybe a c osmic insurance policy, or a primitive anti-anxiety medication.
I’m not scared of individual Christians. heck I married one. I like highly moral thoughtful people who believe they will be punished for moral c ode violations.
I just get nervous when people say jesus 2 much
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=scaredyclassic]but I still bristle at Jesus, remnant of my early programming that the Christians want us gone…over the long arc of Jewish history, it was a good bet to assume Christians wanted you dead. I’ll never be deprogrammed, its too late. i could never say the word jesus without choking on it[/quote]
Christians that “get it” just want you to join their team, and you are always welcome to do so. You don’t even have to stop wincing (I kinda do it myself.)
We are supposed to be all about forgiveness. That’s the main point, actually the only point that matters. Everything else is really just details.
Historically so many Christians never got the point, or they got way too caught up in the details.
Today we aren’t much better. But a true Christian does not want you dead. Even though your people were complicit in the torture and unjust execution of God, it turns out he had a quick recovery, and is doing ok. We should let bygones be bygones.
So you’re probably fine. Especially since Muslims are the new scapegoat. Which is funny and sad, since most of them don’t wince when they hear Jesus’ name.[/quote]
are the true Christians the ones waving flags talking about how the usa is a world force for christianity and G-d bless our troops n bombs keeping our nation safe for jesus?
Participantanti everyone.
except other jews.
wait them too.Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]no. its the word. it gives me the Willies
my parents deeply distrusted all Christians. they assumed everyone was antisemitic.
back in the old days they were often correct.
times changed. now people just hate Arabs.
but I still bristle at Jesus, remnant of my early programming that the Christians want us gone…over the long arc of Jewish history, it was a good bet to assume Christians wanted you dead. I’ll never be deprogrammed, its too late. i could never say the word jesus without choking on it
can’t trust em…I guess when I hear the word jesus, i hear in the subtext, trained from birth…” let’s go beat the shit out of some jews”.
brrrr. Jesus.[/quote]
Hmm. Earlier you mentioned feeling pressured and/or fearing a scam. This sounds different.[/quote]
different? or maybe deeper.
church in the usa seems scammy, either fund or soul raising. always sense you’re gonna get hit up for money or pressured to get dunked in water once church is mentioned.
I appreciate Catholic Church when I go, at least they try to shame you directly in front of peers by putting the basket right in your face so you cannot ignore the shakedown
or maybe the scam is the big guy himself, a nutty jewish ex construction worker entrepreneur who failed to profit but built from scratch a hugely prophetable longterm franchise type opportunity for smooth talking preachers to talk about his Good News [tm] for centuries
the pressure is i guess the feeling you get from christians,that it would be so awesome if i just accepted JC as my personal lordnsavior. they’d get a win by collecting a fresh soul, id win by getting to spend eternity not in hell, and presumably id donate some scratch to the cause.
my mom would have to kill self tho.
so yeah, I get a nervous feeling around the whole idea of jesus, but maybe that’s just a,cover for what’s going on deeper in the brain. a surface reaction to a deeper hardwired impulse.
that’s the superficial stuff.
deeper, i instinctively feel people who like Jesus’ ancestors wouldve had fun killing my ancestors.
submit and convert or die, has, historically, often been the deal. I don’t blame Christians, obviously all humans,say one thing and do another. nobody really believed the love thy neighbor crap wasn’t riddled with enough loopholes to swallow the rule
I feel safe now, for the moment, but old fears linger in the DNA
those Christians are gonna kill us! RUN!!!
.Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]I kinda like prosperity gospel tho, trumps religion. it’s a good troll job on Jesus. I could probly fit in there. Jesus just wants me to make big money.
kind like believing in being rewarded for believing in heaven, except predeath payout…[/quote]
I like the prosperity gospel too. It’s a game easy to win if you’re a little smart and money focused.
American Christians really want socialism, at least for themselves; but they can’t bring themselves to admit it since they already hitched their wagon to Capitalism. It’s a recent 20th century phenomenon and a huge mistake because non-Christians do capitalism much better.[/quote]if G-d likes the way I’m acting, I’ll know, cuz I’ll get paid.
I guess G- d at least doesn’t hate me.
also the stockmar ket is a direct meter of His relative like and dislike of current events in the usa.
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