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[quote=SK in CV][quote=KSMountain][quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.[/quote]

I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is. I think Juanita is as worthy of an education as any other child. Unfortunately, living in Paraguay, with one of the lowest literacy rates on the planet, she’s unlikely to get much of an education. Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I ould have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I do not think anyone here would argue that she is not worthy of an education, it is how she gets it is the assue. Life is unfair and and she and millions of others have no say in where or when they are born. I encourage those that feel that everyone should have an education to donate to the many organizations that are in place just for that purpose. I do not want those same people TAKING money from my pocket to satisfy THEIR need to feel like they have done something worthy. There is a big difference between offering help to those less fortunate and having some one take from you to give to others. I donate to the Childrens Heritage Fund every month out of choice. That is how I CHOOSE to help others.

Those that feel they need to TAKE from others and force them to comply with THEIR sense of morality need to get out of others business and do what is right for them.

Personally I think that being forced to pay for the education of illegal children, the welfare of illegals who have kids here and the health care of those who are here illegally pisses me off. Those of you who feel the illegals are entitled to it PONY UP the money then relax at home with light heart knowing you have done some good in this world. Let the rest of us be charitable by means of our own choosing.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=KSMountain][quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.[/quote]

I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is. I think Juanita is as worthy of an education as any other child. Unfortunately, living in Paraguay, with one of the lowest literacy rates on the planet, she’s unlikely to get much of an education. Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I ould have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I do not think anyone here would argue that she is not worthy of an education, it is how she gets it is the assue. Life is unfair and and she and millions of others have no say in where or when they are born. I encourage those that feel that everyone should have an education to donate to the many organizations that are in place just for that purpose. I do not want those same people TAKING money from my pocket to satisfy THEIR need to feel like they have done something worthy. There is a big difference between offering help to those less fortunate and having some one take from you to give to others. I donate to the Childrens Heritage Fund every month out of choice. That is how I CHOOSE to help others.

Those that feel they need to TAKE from others and force them to comply with THEIR sense of morality need to get out of others business and do what is right for them.

Personally I think that being forced to pay for the education of illegal children, the welfare of illegals who have kids here and the health care of those who are here illegally pisses me off. Those of you who feel the illegals are entitled to it PONY UP the money then relax at home with light heart knowing you have done some good in this world. Let the rest of us be charitable by means of our own choosing.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=KSMountain][quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.[/quote]

I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is. I think Juanita is as worthy of an education as any other child. Unfortunately, living in Paraguay, with one of the lowest literacy rates on the planet, she’s unlikely to get much of an education. Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I ould have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I do not think anyone here would argue that she is not worthy of an education, it is how she gets it is the assue. Life is unfair and and she and millions of others have no say in where or when they are born. I encourage those that feel that everyone should have an education to donate to the many organizations that are in place just for that purpose. I do not want those same people TAKING money from my pocket to satisfy THEIR need to feel like they have done something worthy. There is a big difference between offering help to those less fortunate and having some one take from you to give to others. I donate to the Childrens Heritage Fund every month out of choice. That is how I CHOOSE to help others.

Those that feel they need to TAKE from others and force them to comply with THEIR sense of morality need to get out of others business and do what is right for them.

Personally I think that being forced to pay for the education of illegal children, the welfare of illegals who have kids here and the health care of those who are here illegally pisses me off. Those of you who feel the illegals are entitled to it PONY UP the money then relax at home with light heart knowing you have done some good in this world. Let the rest of us be charitable by means of our own choosing.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=KSMountain][quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.[/quote]

I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is. I think Juanita is as worthy of an education as any other child. Unfortunately, living in Paraguay, with one of the lowest literacy rates on the planet, she’s unlikely to get much of an education. Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I ould have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I do not think anyone here would argue that she is not worthy of an education, it is how she gets it is the assue. Life is unfair and and she and millions of others have no say in where or when they are born. I encourage those that feel that everyone should have an education to donate to the many organizations that are in place just for that purpose. I do not want those same people TAKING money from my pocket to satisfy THEIR need to feel like they have done something worthy. There is a big difference between offering help to those less fortunate and having some one take from you to give to others. I donate to the Childrens Heritage Fund every month out of choice. That is how I CHOOSE to help others.

Those that feel they need to TAKE from others and force them to comply with THEIR sense of morality need to get out of others business and do what is right for them.

Personally I think that being forced to pay for the education of illegal children, the welfare of illegals who have kids here and the health care of those who are here illegally pisses me off. Those of you who feel the illegals are entitled to it PONY UP the money then relax at home with light heart knowing you have done some good in this world. Let the rest of us be charitable by means of our own choosing.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=KSMountain][quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.[/quote]

I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is. I think Juanita is as worthy of an education as any other child. Unfortunately, living in Paraguay, with one of the lowest literacy rates on the planet, she’s unlikely to get much of an education. Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I ould have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I do not think anyone here would argue that she is not worthy of an education, it is how she gets it is the assue. Life is unfair and and she and millions of others have no say in where or when they are born. I encourage those that feel that everyone should have an education to donate to the many organizations that are in place just for that purpose. I do not want those same people TAKING money from my pocket to satisfy THEIR need to feel like they have done something worthy. There is a big difference between offering help to those less fortunate and having some one take from you to give to others. I donate to the Childrens Heritage Fund every month out of choice. That is how I CHOOSE to help others.

Those that feel they need to TAKE from others and force them to comply with THEIR sense of morality need to get out of others business and do what is right for them.

Personally I think that being forced to pay for the education of illegal children, the welfare of illegals who have kids here and the health care of those who are here illegally pisses me off. Those of you who feel the illegals are entitled to it PONY UP the money then relax at home with light heart knowing you have done some good in this world. Let the rest of us be charitable by means of our own choosing.

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As an employer that hires only legal workers I agree that the laws and fines on the books to deal with the hiring of illegals needs to be enforced.
I run an above board operation totally by the book and have to compete with others who gain a huge advantage by employing illegals at half the cost. Local, state and federal governments do little to enforce EXISTING laws. In a very real sense I get punished for doing the right thing.

Another thing to consider is that the abundance of cheap illegal labor has decimated the wage base of most blue collar work.The illegals wages have not risen to that of legal workers but brought the legals down to their rate of pay. I see it in my industry and have heard first hand from numerous construction related workers. Good for the economy my ass.

I would bet the farm that if illegals were teaching, on the police force, in the fire department or almost any other white collar job in the same numbers that are in the labor market the laws would be enforced to the letter. Very easy for those with a “protected” work environment to get all high and mighty about the plight of the illegal while not giving a rats ass that they have destroyed the earning power of millions.

I would just love to hear the reaction of union employees if their employers hired a bunch of illegals then dropped everyones pay to their level.

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As an employer that hires only legal workers I agree that the laws and fines on the books to deal with the hiring of illegals needs to be enforced.
I run an above board operation totally by the book and have to compete with others who gain a huge advantage by employing illegals at half the cost. Local, state and federal governments do little to enforce EXISTING laws. In a very real sense I get punished for doing the right thing.

Another thing to consider is that the abundance of cheap illegal labor has decimated the wage base of most blue collar work.The illegals wages have not risen to that of legal workers but brought the legals down to their rate of pay. I see it in my industry and have heard first hand from numerous construction related workers. Good for the economy my ass.

I would bet the farm that if illegals were teaching, on the police force, in the fire department or almost any other white collar job in the same numbers that are in the labor market the laws would be enforced to the letter. Very easy for those with a “protected” work environment to get all high and mighty about the plight of the illegal while not giving a rats ass that they have destroyed the earning power of millions.

I would just love to hear the reaction of union employees if their employers hired a bunch of illegals then dropped everyones pay to their level.

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As an employer that hires only legal workers I agree that the laws and fines on the books to deal with the hiring of illegals needs to be enforced.
I run an above board operation totally by the book and have to compete with others who gain a huge advantage by employing illegals at half the cost. Local, state and federal governments do little to enforce EXISTING laws. In a very real sense I get punished for doing the right thing.

Another thing to consider is that the abundance of cheap illegal labor has decimated the wage base of most blue collar work.The illegals wages have not risen to that of legal workers but brought the legals down to their rate of pay. I see it in my industry and have heard first hand from numerous construction related workers. Good for the economy my ass.

I would bet the farm that if illegals were teaching, on the police force, in the fire department or almost any other white collar job in the same numbers that are in the labor market the laws would be enforced to the letter. Very easy for those with a “protected” work environment to get all high and mighty about the plight of the illegal while not giving a rats ass that they have destroyed the earning power of millions.

I would just love to hear the reaction of union employees if their employers hired a bunch of illegals then dropped everyones pay to their level.

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As an employer that hires only legal workers I agree that the laws and fines on the books to deal with the hiring of illegals needs to be enforced.
I run an above board operation totally by the book and have to compete with others who gain a huge advantage by employing illegals at half the cost. Local, state and federal governments do little to enforce EXISTING laws. In a very real sense I get punished for doing the right thing.

Another thing to consider is that the abundance of cheap illegal labor has decimated the wage base of most blue collar work.The illegals wages have not risen to that of legal workers but brought the legals down to their rate of pay. I see it in my industry and have heard first hand from numerous construction related workers. Good for the economy my ass.

I would bet the farm that if illegals were teaching, on the police force, in the fire department or almost any other white collar job in the same numbers that are in the labor market the laws would be enforced to the letter. Very easy for those with a “protected” work environment to get all high and mighty about the plight of the illegal while not giving a rats ass that they have destroyed the earning power of millions.

I would just love to hear the reaction of union employees if their employers hired a bunch of illegals then dropped everyones pay to their level.

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As an employer that hires only legal workers I agree that the laws and fines on the books to deal with the hiring of illegals needs to be enforced.
I run an above board operation totally by the book and have to compete with others who gain a huge advantage by employing illegals at half the cost. Local, state and federal governments do little to enforce EXISTING laws. In a very real sense I get punished for doing the right thing.

Another thing to consider is that the abundance of cheap illegal labor has decimated the wage base of most blue collar work.The illegals wages have not risen to that of legal workers but brought the legals down to their rate of pay. I see it in my industry and have heard first hand from numerous construction related workers. Good for the economy my ass.

I would bet the farm that if illegals were teaching, on the police force, in the fire department or almost any other white collar job in the same numbers that are in the labor market the laws would be enforced to the letter. Very easy for those with a “protected” work environment to get all high and mighty about the plight of the illegal while not giving a rats ass that they have destroyed the earning power of millions.

I would just love to hear the reaction of union employees if their employers hired a bunch of illegals then dropped everyones pay to their level.

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[quote=sdrealtor]rnen
You are looking in my backyard. The challenge is there is lots of demand around here but very little coming on the market. The homeowners around here are a pretty stable lot. If you are looking high end there could be some relief as there has been quite a bit of overbuilding in the way of 4,000 sq ft McMansions. If you are looking for something modest I just have a hard time seeing things get markedly better. I know tons of buyers out there looking for entry level homes. An REO recently came on the market around $500K in Rancho Ponderosa and it was bombarded with buyers/interest. The house was a pit and needed major remodelling. There is a huge demand for homes like this piling up but very little coming on the market. I wish it was otherwise but I dont see that coming. While I think we will see more inventory hit the market, the competition for anything decent and well priced will be substantial.

Even if rates jumped 1% or more, I dont think that would make a difference in the market for homes under 700K.[/quote]

You are too right, we have been “looking” for almost 4 yrs and this is the worst we have seen in terms of the quality and number of homes in our range. We have not found anything recently that excites us but will keep trying.

We are not looking to make money but are looking for a home which is why the an increase of even 1% is worth considering. Over 20-25yrs of payments that could translate into significant money. As a transplanted Canadian I have no experience with being able to write off the mortgage interest, maybe a 1- 1.5 point increase is not such a concern.

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[quote=sdrealtor]rnen
You are looking in my backyard. The challenge is there is lots of demand around here but very little coming on the market. The homeowners around here are a pretty stable lot. If you are looking high end there could be some relief as there has been quite a bit of overbuilding in the way of 4,000 sq ft McMansions. If you are looking for something modest I just have a hard time seeing things get markedly better. I know tons of buyers out there looking for entry level homes. An REO recently came on the market around $500K in Rancho Ponderosa and it was bombarded with buyers/interest. The house was a pit and needed major remodelling. There is a huge demand for homes like this piling up but very little coming on the market. I wish it was otherwise but I dont see that coming. While I think we will see more inventory hit the market, the competition for anything decent and well priced will be substantial.

Even if rates jumped 1% or more, I dont think that would make a difference in the market for homes under 700K.[/quote]

You are too right, we have been “looking” for almost 4 yrs and this is the worst we have seen in terms of the quality and number of homes in our range. We have not found anything recently that excites us but will keep trying.

We are not looking to make money but are looking for a home which is why the an increase of even 1% is worth considering. Over 20-25yrs of payments that could translate into significant money. As a transplanted Canadian I have no experience with being able to write off the mortgage interest, maybe a 1- 1.5 point increase is not such a concern.

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[quote=sdrealtor]rnen
You are looking in my backyard. The challenge is there is lots of demand around here but very little coming on the market. The homeowners around here are a pretty stable lot. If you are looking high end there could be some relief as there has been quite a bit of overbuilding in the way of 4,000 sq ft McMansions. If you are looking for something modest I just have a hard time seeing things get markedly better. I know tons of buyers out there looking for entry level homes. An REO recently came on the market around $500K in Rancho Ponderosa and it was bombarded with buyers/interest. The house was a pit and needed major remodelling. There is a huge demand for homes like this piling up but very little coming on the market. I wish it was otherwise but I dont see that coming. While I think we will see more inventory hit the market, the competition for anything decent and well priced will be substantial.

Even if rates jumped 1% or more, I dont think that would make a difference in the market for homes under 700K.[/quote]

You are too right, we have been “looking” for almost 4 yrs and this is the worst we have seen in terms of the quality and number of homes in our range. We have not found anything recently that excites us but will keep trying.

We are not looking to make money but are looking for a home which is why the an increase of even 1% is worth considering. Over 20-25yrs of payments that could translate into significant money. As a transplanted Canadian I have no experience with being able to write off the mortgage interest, maybe a 1- 1.5 point increase is not such a concern.

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[quote=sdrealtor]rnen
You are looking in my backyard. The challenge is there is lots of demand around here but very little coming on the market. The homeowners around here are a pretty stable lot. If you are looking high end there could be some relief as there has been quite a bit of overbuilding in the way of 4,000 sq ft McMansions. If you are looking for something modest I just have a hard time seeing things get markedly better. I know tons of buyers out there looking for entry level homes. An REO recently came on the market around $500K in Rancho Ponderosa and it was bombarded with buyers/interest. The house was a pit and needed major remodelling. There is a huge demand for homes like this piling up but very little coming on the market. I wish it was otherwise but I dont see that coming. While I think we will see more inventory hit the market, the competition for anything decent and well priced will be substantial.

Even if rates jumped 1% or more, I dont think that would make a difference in the market for homes under 700K.[/quote]

You are too right, we have been “looking” for almost 4 yrs and this is the worst we have seen in terms of the quality and number of homes in our range. We have not found anything recently that excites us but will keep trying.

We are not looking to make money but are looking for a home which is why the an increase of even 1% is worth considering. Over 20-25yrs of payments that could translate into significant money. As a transplanted Canadian I have no experience with being able to write off the mortgage interest, maybe a 1- 1.5 point increase is not such a concern.

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[quote=sdrealtor]rnen
You are looking in my backyard. The challenge is there is lots of demand around here but very little coming on the market. The homeowners around here are a pretty stable lot. If you are looking high end there could be some relief as there has been quite a bit of overbuilding in the way of 4,000 sq ft McMansions. If you are looking for something modest I just have a hard time seeing things get markedly better. I know tons of buyers out there looking for entry level homes. An REO recently came on the market around $500K in Rancho Ponderosa and it was bombarded with buyers/interest. The house was a pit and needed major remodelling. There is a huge demand for homes like this piling up but very little coming on the market. I wish it was otherwise but I dont see that coming. While I think we will see more inventory hit the market, the competition for anything decent and well priced will be substantial.

Even if rates jumped 1% or more, I dont think that would make a difference in the market for homes under 700K.[/quote]

You are too right, we have been “looking” for almost 4 yrs and this is the worst we have seen in terms of the quality and number of homes in our range. We have not found anything recently that excites us but will keep trying.

We are not looking to make money but are looking for a home which is why the an increase of even 1% is worth considering. Over 20-25yrs of payments that could translate into significant money. As a transplanted Canadian I have no experience with being able to write off the mortgage interest, maybe a 1- 1.5 point increase is not such a concern.

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