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anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.
FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.
Participant[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.
FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.
Participant[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.
FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.
Participant[quote=flu]
anyway, imho we’re not ready for alternative fuels or energy yet. It’s right now just a fad and experiment that some rich people/geeks ticker with here/and there (tesla buyers, prius buyers,etc) …Until energy prices are really really expensive, there won’t be that much revolutionary breakthrough, because there is little incentive from consumers to do it.[/quote]We’ve already passed the trigger point, which was $5/gallon gas a few years ago. Hence the billions being spent on alternative energy now – corporations woke up to the fact that this is where the money will be in the future, and they’re preparing for it. Of course we’re just starting, so it will be a decades-long process to perfect the technology and replace millions of vehicles. It will happen whether prices spike or not, but high prices will definitely speed it up.
FWIW, a modern 500hp 911 Turbo has lower emissions than a 60hp, 46mpg 1986 Honda Civic. That’s what I call progress.
ParticipantOil isn’t an issue. In fact, if we do run out of it, it will be at a time when it doesn’t matter. There will be no energy deficit. Hundreds of companies are pouring Billions of dollars into alternative energy and materials for everything from cars to home heating to tupperware. If you can build any substance molecule by molecule, power an engine with pure water, and store large amounts of sun/wind-produced electrical energy for years, where is the need for oil?
ParticipantOil isn’t an issue. In fact, if we do run out of it, it will be at a time when it doesn’t matter. There will be no energy deficit. Hundreds of companies are pouring Billions of dollars into alternative energy and materials for everything from cars to home heating to tupperware. If you can build any substance molecule by molecule, power an engine with pure water, and store large amounts of sun/wind-produced electrical energy for years, where is the need for oil?
ParticipantOil isn’t an issue. In fact, if we do run out of it, it will be at a time when it doesn’t matter. There will be no energy deficit. Hundreds of companies are pouring Billions of dollars into alternative energy and materials for everything from cars to home heating to tupperware. If you can build any substance molecule by molecule, power an engine with pure water, and store large amounts of sun/wind-produced electrical energy for years, where is the need for oil?
ParticipantOil isn’t an issue. In fact, if we do run out of it, it will be at a time when it doesn’t matter. There will be no energy deficit. Hundreds of companies are pouring Billions of dollars into alternative energy and materials for everything from cars to home heating to tupperware. If you can build any substance molecule by molecule, power an engine with pure water, and store large amounts of sun/wind-produced electrical energy for years, where is the need for oil?
ParticipantOil isn’t an issue. In fact, if we do run out of it, it will be at a time when it doesn’t matter. There will be no energy deficit. Hundreds of companies are pouring Billions of dollars into alternative energy and materials for everything from cars to home heating to tupperware. If you can build any substance molecule by molecule, power an engine with pure water, and store large amounts of sun/wind-produced electrical energy for years, where is the need for oil?
ParticipantI don’t think either side has anything to worry about. There might be tight regulations in 15 years, but there are always ways around that (either by buying an older model or paying a gas guzzler tax), and in 30 years, the majority of cars won’t be powered by gasoline at all, so mileage won’t be an issue anyway. Those people who do want a high-performance (and near-zero emmissions) gas hog to drive on the weekends will still be able to buy them. Enthusiasts like me won’t care if there are “penalties” for owning such beasts or if gas is $20/gallon – I’ll still need to hear that flat-6 wail. Gas engines will never die out completely. Thank the gods.
ParticipantI don’t think either side has anything to worry about. There might be tight regulations in 15 years, but there are always ways around that (either by buying an older model or paying a gas guzzler tax), and in 30 years, the majority of cars won’t be powered by gasoline at all, so mileage won’t be an issue anyway. Those people who do want a high-performance (and near-zero emmissions) gas hog to drive on the weekends will still be able to buy them. Enthusiasts like me won’t care if there are “penalties” for owning such beasts or if gas is $20/gallon – I’ll still need to hear that flat-6 wail. Gas engines will never die out completely. Thank the gods.
ParticipantI don’t think either side has anything to worry about. There might be tight regulations in 15 years, but there are always ways around that (either by buying an older model or paying a gas guzzler tax), and in 30 years, the majority of cars won’t be powered by gasoline at all, so mileage won’t be an issue anyway. Those people who do want a high-performance (and near-zero emmissions) gas hog to drive on the weekends will still be able to buy them. Enthusiasts like me won’t care if there are “penalties” for owning such beasts or if gas is $20/gallon – I’ll still need to hear that flat-6 wail. Gas engines will never die out completely. Thank the gods.
ParticipantI don’t think either side has anything to worry about. There might be tight regulations in 15 years, but there are always ways around that (either by buying an older model or paying a gas guzzler tax), and in 30 years, the majority of cars won’t be powered by gasoline at all, so mileage won’t be an issue anyway. Those people who do want a high-performance (and near-zero emmissions) gas hog to drive on the weekends will still be able to buy them. Enthusiasts like me won’t care if there are “penalties” for owning such beasts or if gas is $20/gallon – I’ll still need to hear that flat-6 wail. Gas engines will never die out completely. Thank the gods.
ParticipantI don’t think either side has anything to worry about. There might be tight regulations in 15 years, but there are always ways around that (either by buying an older model or paying a gas guzzler tax), and in 30 years, the majority of cars won’t be powered by gasoline at all, so mileage won’t be an issue anyway. Those people who do want a high-performance (and near-zero emmissions) gas hog to drive on the weekends will still be able to buy them. Enthusiasts like me won’t care if there are “penalties” for owning such beasts or if gas is $20/gallon – I’ll still need to hear that flat-6 wail. Gas engines will never die out completely. Thank the gods.
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