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March 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362898March 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362939
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Participant[quote=partypup]
Yeah, I was checking out of a hotel as I posted this article, and my partner was talking to me. So sorry I incorrectly wrote “400” when I meant to write “1000”. I’ll be sure to be on my toes next time, John 😉
And yes, this time it really IS different. In my business (entertainment), all we’ve heard for decades is how it’s a recession-proof industry. LOL. What a joke.
We’re getting slammed so hard now that veterans at my company are just walking around, scratching their heads. Ad revenue – which had consistently grown (yes, even in the 70s) for YEARS is now contracting for the first time. Our company – which has NEVER reported a loss — simply can’t cash flow to all vendors anymore. Some weeks we joke about whether we will still be able to make payroll. Is this like the early 90s? Maybe on a different planet, but I lived through the 90s bust – and I’ve never seen anything like this. I was laid off from my law firm in 1991, got another job in a couple of months. Now colleagues of mine are wandering around for 8+ months after layoffs, and still don’t have replacement jobs. My condo was underwater for 8 years in the 90s, but it only lost about 15% of its value at the bottom. Already the home I sold in 2007 is worth 20% less. Do you think we’re anywhere near the bottom??
So yeah, this time IS different.
The “d” word is everywhere now. And that means that we’ve passed the 90s and the 70s. We’re heading to 1929. Heck, I’m fully-prepared to slash my standard of living by 50%, and I’ve saved up for this prospect. I’m ready for the pain. But I suspect most people aren’t in that position. Because they’re still thinking that this is going to be like the 90s or the 70s, and it’s not.
This is NOT a recession.[/quote]
The jist of this, from what I can tell, is that because your company and your cronies are having tougher times, this is something worse than a recession.
So you found a job soon after being laid off in 1991. Good for you. You probably didn’t notice that lots of folks weren’t so fortunate. In California at least, times were tough. There was even talk that California was in a depression at that time.
Reminds me of the old saying that a recession is when my neighbor loses his job, and a depression is when I (or my friends in this case) lose mine (theirs).
Nothing new here.
March 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #363048Participant[quote=partypup]
Yeah, I was checking out of a hotel as I posted this article, and my partner was talking to me. So sorry I incorrectly wrote “400” when I meant to write “1000”. I’ll be sure to be on my toes next time, John 😉
And yes, this time it really IS different. In my business (entertainment), all we’ve heard for decades is how it’s a recession-proof industry. LOL. What a joke.
We’re getting slammed so hard now that veterans at my company are just walking around, scratching their heads. Ad revenue – which had consistently grown (yes, even in the 70s) for YEARS is now contracting for the first time. Our company – which has NEVER reported a loss — simply can’t cash flow to all vendors anymore. Some weeks we joke about whether we will still be able to make payroll. Is this like the early 90s? Maybe on a different planet, but I lived through the 90s bust – and I’ve never seen anything like this. I was laid off from my law firm in 1991, got another job in a couple of months. Now colleagues of mine are wandering around for 8+ months after layoffs, and still don’t have replacement jobs. My condo was underwater for 8 years in the 90s, but it only lost about 15% of its value at the bottom. Already the home I sold in 2007 is worth 20% less. Do you think we’re anywhere near the bottom??
So yeah, this time IS different.
The “d” word is everywhere now. And that means that we’ve passed the 90s and the 70s. We’re heading to 1929. Heck, I’m fully-prepared to slash my standard of living by 50%, and I’ve saved up for this prospect. I’m ready for the pain. But I suspect most people aren’t in that position. Because they’re still thinking that this is going to be like the 90s or the 70s, and it’s not.
This is NOT a recession.[/quote]
The jist of this, from what I can tell, is that because your company and your cronies are having tougher times, this is something worse than a recession.
So you found a job soon after being laid off in 1991. Good for you. You probably didn’t notice that lots of folks weren’t so fortunate. In California at least, times were tough. There was even talk that California was in a depression at that time.
Reminds me of the old saying that a recession is when my neighbor loses his job, and a depression is when I (or my friends in this case) lose mine (theirs).
Nothing new here.
March 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362349Participant[quote=partypup]I mentioned an anecdote in a thread the other day about a friend who had applied for a job as a cashier at a Trader Joe’s in Santa Maria. There were 400 other applicants. Someone on this board thought the anecdote was fishy and didn’t “smell” right.
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That would be me. How did >1000 applicants that you wrote earlier now become 400?
These kinds of stories are common during a recession. Haven’t you ever been through one?
A huge number of applicants showed up to apply at In-N-Out in El Cajon in the early 90’s when it opened. I know because it was reported on TV, which loves stories like that. I graduated from college in the early 90’s and had a tough time finding a steady job. There were anecdotal reports of hundreds of applicants for an accountant job.
But now things are different. Uh huh.
March 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362645Participant[quote=partypup]I mentioned an anecdote in a thread the other day about a friend who had applied for a job as a cashier at a Trader Joe’s in Santa Maria. There were 400 other applicants. Someone on this board thought the anecdote was fishy and didn’t “smell” right.
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That would be me. How did >1000 applicants that you wrote earlier now become 400?
These kinds of stories are common during a recession. Haven’t you ever been through one?
A huge number of applicants showed up to apply at In-N-Out in El Cajon in the early 90’s when it opened. I know because it was reported on TV, which loves stories like that. I graduated from college in the early 90’s and had a tough time finding a steady job. There were anecdotal reports of hundreds of applicants for an accountant job.
But now things are different. Uh huh.
March 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362791Participant[quote=partypup]I mentioned an anecdote in a thread the other day about a friend who had applied for a job as a cashier at a Trader Joe’s in Santa Maria. There were 400 other applicants. Someone on this board thought the anecdote was fishy and didn’t “smell” right.
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That would be me. How did >1000 applicants that you wrote earlier now become 400?
These kinds of stories are common during a recession. Haven’t you ever been through one?
A huge number of applicants showed up to apply at In-N-Out in El Cajon in the early 90’s when it opened. I know because it was reported on TV, which loves stories like that. I graduated from college in the early 90’s and had a tough time finding a steady job. There were anecdotal reports of hundreds of applicants for an accountant job.
But now things are different. Uh huh.
March 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362834Participant[quote=partypup]I mentioned an anecdote in a thread the other day about a friend who had applied for a job as a cashier at a Trader Joe’s in Santa Maria. There were 400 other applicants. Someone on this board thought the anecdote was fishy and didn’t “smell” right.
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That would be me. How did >1000 applicants that you wrote earlier now become 400?
These kinds of stories are common during a recession. Haven’t you ever been through one?
A huge number of applicants showed up to apply at In-N-Out in El Cajon in the early 90’s when it opened. I know because it was reported on TV, which loves stories like that. I graduated from college in the early 90’s and had a tough time finding a steady job. There were anecdotal reports of hundreds of applicants for an accountant job.
But now things are different. Uh huh.
March 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM in reply to: OT: Ohio – 700 People Have Applied for a Single Job as a Janitor #362940Participant[quote=partypup]I mentioned an anecdote in a thread the other day about a friend who had applied for a job as a cashier at a Trader Joe’s in Santa Maria. There were 400 other applicants. Someone on this board thought the anecdote was fishy and didn’t “smell” right.
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That would be me. How did >1000 applicants that you wrote earlier now become 400?
These kinds of stories are common during a recession. Haven’t you ever been through one?
A huge number of applicants showed up to apply at In-N-Out in El Cajon in the early 90’s when it opened. I know because it was reported on TV, which loves stories like that. I graduated from college in the early 90’s and had a tough time finding a steady job. There were anecdotal reports of hundreds of applicants for an accountant job.
But now things are different. Uh huh.
Participant[quote=partypup][quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
[/quote]I don’t know the details. I’m pretty sure my friend didn’t bother to get into the specifics as to why they weren’t hiring everyone at once. She just inquired to get a general sense of what her competition was. People who are really hungry for work are generally so pre-occupied with just getting their foot in the door that they don’t stop to ask the questions you’re asking – not that they’re not good questions. I get that you don’t think the Trader Joe’s anecdote was a tipping point. I think that there are plenty of other examples of tipping points around us that seem to indicate, at least to me, that this crisis has taken another turn for the worst.
The fact that we are now firmly below 7,000 on the Dow would seem to be a tipping point.
This might be another one:
“Laid-off professionals turn to ‘survival jobs'”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008798590_jobs01.html
[/quote]I browsed the article. It isn’t pretty, that’s for sure. But we have been here before, especially in the San Diego area in the early 90’s when a lot of the defense industry went away. Folks who were making good money found themselves unemployed or underemployed. There were lots of stories like this. Sad but nothing new here.
The Dow concerns me more.
Participant[quote=partypup][quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
[/quote]I don’t know the details. I’m pretty sure my friend didn’t bother to get into the specifics as to why they weren’t hiring everyone at once. She just inquired to get a general sense of what her competition was. People who are really hungry for work are generally so pre-occupied with just getting their foot in the door that they don’t stop to ask the questions you’re asking – not that they’re not good questions. I get that you don’t think the Trader Joe’s anecdote was a tipping point. I think that there are plenty of other examples of tipping points around us that seem to indicate, at least to me, that this crisis has taken another turn for the worst.
The fact that we are now firmly below 7,000 on the Dow would seem to be a tipping point.
This might be another one:
“Laid-off professionals turn to ‘survival jobs'”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008798590_jobs01.html
[/quote]I browsed the article. It isn’t pretty, that’s for sure. But we have been here before, especially in the San Diego area in the early 90’s when a lot of the defense industry went away. Folks who were making good money found themselves unemployed or underemployed. There were lots of stories like this. Sad but nothing new here.
The Dow concerns me more.
Participant[quote=partypup][quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
[/quote]I don’t know the details. I’m pretty sure my friend didn’t bother to get into the specifics as to why they weren’t hiring everyone at once. She just inquired to get a general sense of what her competition was. People who are really hungry for work are generally so pre-occupied with just getting their foot in the door that they don’t stop to ask the questions you’re asking – not that they’re not good questions. I get that you don’t think the Trader Joe’s anecdote was a tipping point. I think that there are plenty of other examples of tipping points around us that seem to indicate, at least to me, that this crisis has taken another turn for the worst.
The fact that we are now firmly below 7,000 on the Dow would seem to be a tipping point.
This might be another one:
“Laid-off professionals turn to ‘survival jobs'”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008798590_jobs01.html
[/quote]I browsed the article. It isn’t pretty, that’s for sure. But we have been here before, especially in the San Diego area in the early 90’s when a lot of the defense industry went away. Folks who were making good money found themselves unemployed or underemployed. There were lots of stories like this. Sad but nothing new here.
The Dow concerns me more.
Participant[quote=partypup][quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
[/quote]I don’t know the details. I’m pretty sure my friend didn’t bother to get into the specifics as to why they weren’t hiring everyone at once. She just inquired to get a general sense of what her competition was. People who are really hungry for work are generally so pre-occupied with just getting their foot in the door that they don’t stop to ask the questions you’re asking – not that they’re not good questions. I get that you don’t think the Trader Joe’s anecdote was a tipping point. I think that there are plenty of other examples of tipping points around us that seem to indicate, at least to me, that this crisis has taken another turn for the worst.
The fact that we are now firmly below 7,000 on the Dow would seem to be a tipping point.
This might be another one:
“Laid-off professionals turn to ‘survival jobs'”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008798590_jobs01.html
[/quote]I browsed the article. It isn’t pretty, that’s for sure. But we have been here before, especially in the San Diego area in the early 90’s when a lot of the defense industry went away. Folks who were making good money found themselves unemployed or underemployed. There were lots of stories like this. Sad but nothing new here.
The Dow concerns me more.
Participant[quote=partypup][quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
[/quote]I don’t know the details. I’m pretty sure my friend didn’t bother to get into the specifics as to why they weren’t hiring everyone at once. She just inquired to get a general sense of what her competition was. People who are really hungry for work are generally so pre-occupied with just getting their foot in the door that they don’t stop to ask the questions you’re asking – not that they’re not good questions. I get that you don’t think the Trader Joe’s anecdote was a tipping point. I think that there are plenty of other examples of tipping points around us that seem to indicate, at least to me, that this crisis has taken another turn for the worst.
The fact that we are now firmly below 7,000 on the Dow would seem to be a tipping point.
This might be another one:
“Laid-off professionals turn to ‘survival jobs'”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008798590_jobs01.html
[/quote]I browsed the article. It isn’t pretty, that’s for sure. But we have been here before, especially in the San Diego area in the early 90’s when a lot of the defense industry went away. Folks who were making good money found themselves unemployed or underemployed. There were lots of stories like this. Sad but nothing new here.
The Dow concerns me more.
Participant[quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
Participant[quote=partypup]
They didn’t fill all the positions at once. What’s so suspicious about that?
[/quote]That doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they just go back through the applicants they had on file, especially if they supposedly had this massive number of job seekers? Does Trader Joe’s like to deal with a horde of applicants when it’s not necessary? I know you can’t answer that, but what do you think? Like I said, it doesn’t pass the smell test.
That and the fact that Trader Joe’s is actually expanding in the area makes your 3rd hand anecdote seem like a pretty weak “tipping point”. Not that there isn’t plenty of bad economic news. It’s pretty much all that gets reported during a recession.
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