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Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo] Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )[/quote]
That explains why so many Mexicans are risking their lives to come here. They are so happy they can’t stand it.[/quote]
That still doesn’t solve the funding of the oil conglomerates problem.
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo] Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )[/quote]
That explains why so many Mexicans are risking their lives to come here. They are so happy they can’t stand it.[/quote]
That still doesn’t solve the funding of the oil conglomerates problem.
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo] Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )[/quote]
That explains why so many Mexicans are risking their lives to come here. They are so happy they can’t stand it.[/quote]
That still doesn’t solve the funding of the oil conglomerates problem.
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo] Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )[/quote]
That explains why so many Mexicans are risking their lives to come here. They are so happy they can’t stand it.[/quote]
That still doesn’t solve the funding of the oil conglomerates problem.
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.[/quote]
I hope they delivered that package by bike messenger cause every gallon of gas/petroleum product that was used in transport of your made in America package was money that went to the oil conglomerates, some of which ended up back in the Middle East where it probably funded radical Islam and put American lives at risk. Seriously tho, I’m with Brian – we are a world community and if we have to adjust a little in the future, that’s ok by me. Trying to freeze time and create a more insular nation does us no good in the long run imo. Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.[/quote]
I hope they delivered that package by bike messenger cause every gallon of gas/petroleum product that was used in transport of your made in America package was money that went to the oil conglomerates, some of which ended up back in the Middle East where it probably funded radical Islam and put American lives at risk. Seriously tho, I’m with Brian – we are a world community and if we have to adjust a little in the future, that’s ok by me. Trying to freeze time and create a more insular nation does us no good in the long run imo. Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.[/quote]
I hope they delivered that package by bike messenger cause every gallon of gas/petroleum product that was used in transport of your made in America package was money that went to the oil conglomerates, some of which ended up back in the Middle East where it probably funded radical Islam and put American lives at risk. Seriously tho, I’m with Brian – we are a world community and if we have to adjust a little in the future, that’s ok by me. Trying to freeze time and create a more insular nation does us no good in the long run imo. Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.[/quote]
I hope they delivered that package by bike messenger cause every gallon of gas/petroleum product that was used in transport of your made in America package was money that went to the oil conglomerates, some of which ended up back in the Middle East where it probably funded radical Islam and put American lives at risk. Seriously tho, I’m with Brian – we are a world community and if we have to adjust a little in the future, that’s ok by me. Trying to freeze time and create a more insular nation does us no good in the long run imo. Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )
Participant[quote=jpinpb][quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.[/quote]
I hope they delivered that package by bike messenger cause every gallon of gas/petroleum product that was used in transport of your made in America package was money that went to the oil conglomerates, some of which ended up back in the Middle East where it probably funded radical Islam and put American lives at risk. Seriously tho, I’m with Brian – we are a world community and if we have to adjust a little in the future, that’s ok by me. Trying to freeze time and create a more insular nation does us no good in the long run imo. Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo]I don’t understand- are you saying it’s not good to overpay for something because it’s made in America?[/quote]
No. Sorry you don’t understand. I’m saying it’s not good to make real estate be the main source of your economy and have it turn into an investment speculative bubble. I’m sure I don’t need to begin to explain it all as there are endless threads about it on this site. Perhaps you can read through some of them.
And again — overpaying for quality is different than overpaying for MIC crap.
But I suspect that your post was just one of taunting me, so I’ll just stop.[/quote]
Let’s make things even clearer — you’re not overpaying for something if you’re getting something that lasts longer, and is of better quality than the less expensive version.
For example, if one person pays $100 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts for two years, and another person pays $700 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts 20 years, who is “overpaying”?
We won’t even go into the fact that this “cheap, disposable” model is far, far worse for our environment than the “more expensive, but durable” model.
But, of course, the “cheap, disposable” model is more profitable, so we should all celebrate the superiority of “capitalism” and the “right to profit,” no matter what damage is done to others or our environment.[/quote]
You don’t have to convince me to buy a $700 vacuum-I own a Sebo cause I got tired of buying a new vacuum every couple of years. I just don’t understand blanket statements like China makes only crap and that which is made/ or should be made in America will be of superior quality or “buy American, help your country” yada yada. As eavesdropper says also- be wary of that which claims to be made in America.Just cause it says made in America doesn’t mean it wasn’t made in some asian sweatshop in Orange county or the Bay Area – I know cause my mom use to work in one when I was little and she would show me stuff in stores that were stitched together in our very own home(rented, of course). I still haven’t decided if sweatshops were a good thing for us or a bad thing – I lean toward a good thing cause I don’t think a business run by caucasians would have hired my mom and allowed her to work from home back then. Did she take what might have been a higher paying job away from an established citizen? Maybe, but my feeling is, jeeze, if you been in America for a long time, what are you still doing with such a lowly skill set,living in a country with more opportunity than any in the world,competing for a job against someone who literally just got off a plane and doesn’t know the language.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo]I don’t understand- are you saying it’s not good to overpay for something because it’s made in America?[/quote]
No. Sorry you don’t understand. I’m saying it’s not good to make real estate be the main source of your economy and have it turn into an investment speculative bubble. I’m sure I don’t need to begin to explain it all as there are endless threads about it on this site. Perhaps you can read through some of them.
And again — overpaying for quality is different than overpaying for MIC crap.
But I suspect that your post was just one of taunting me, so I’ll just stop.[/quote]
Let’s make things even clearer — you’re not overpaying for something if you’re getting something that lasts longer, and is of better quality than the less expensive version.
For example, if one person pays $100 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts for two years, and another person pays $700 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts 20 years, who is “overpaying”?
We won’t even go into the fact that this “cheap, disposable” model is far, far worse for our environment than the “more expensive, but durable” model.
But, of course, the “cheap, disposable” model is more profitable, so we should all celebrate the superiority of “capitalism” and the “right to profit,” no matter what damage is done to others or our environment.[/quote]
You don’t have to convince me to buy a $700 vacuum-I own a Sebo cause I got tired of buying a new vacuum every couple of years. I just don’t understand blanket statements like China makes only crap and that which is made/ or should be made in America will be of superior quality or “buy American, help your country” yada yada. As eavesdropper says also- be wary of that which claims to be made in America.Just cause it says made in America doesn’t mean it wasn’t made in some asian sweatshop in Orange county or the Bay Area – I know cause my mom use to work in one when I was little and she would show me stuff in stores that were stitched together in our very own home(rented, of course). I still haven’t decided if sweatshops were a good thing for us or a bad thing – I lean toward a good thing cause I don’t think a business run by caucasians would have hired my mom and allowed her to work from home back then. Did she take what might have been a higher paying job away from an established citizen? Maybe, but my feeling is, jeeze, if you been in America for a long time, what are you still doing with such a lowly skill set,living in a country with more opportunity than any in the world,competing for a job against someone who literally just got off a plane and doesn’t know the language.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo]I don’t understand- are you saying it’s not good to overpay for something because it’s made in America?[/quote]
No. Sorry you don’t understand. I’m saying it’s not good to make real estate be the main source of your economy and have it turn into an investment speculative bubble. I’m sure I don’t need to begin to explain it all as there are endless threads about it on this site. Perhaps you can read through some of them.
And again — overpaying for quality is different than overpaying for MIC crap.
But I suspect that your post was just one of taunting me, so I’ll just stop.[/quote]
Let’s make things even clearer — you’re not overpaying for something if you’re getting something that lasts longer, and is of better quality than the less expensive version.
For example, if one person pays $100 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts for two years, and another person pays $700 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts 20 years, who is “overpaying”?
We won’t even go into the fact that this “cheap, disposable” model is far, far worse for our environment than the “more expensive, but durable” model.
But, of course, the “cheap, disposable” model is more profitable, so we should all celebrate the superiority of “capitalism” and the “right to profit,” no matter what damage is done to others or our environment.[/quote]
You don’t have to convince me to buy a $700 vacuum-I own a Sebo cause I got tired of buying a new vacuum every couple of years. I just don’t understand blanket statements like China makes only crap and that which is made/ or should be made in America will be of superior quality or “buy American, help your country” yada yada. As eavesdropper says also- be wary of that which claims to be made in America.Just cause it says made in America doesn’t mean it wasn’t made in some asian sweatshop in Orange county or the Bay Area – I know cause my mom use to work in one when I was little and she would show me stuff in stores that were stitched together in our very own home(rented, of course). I still haven’t decided if sweatshops were a good thing for us or a bad thing – I lean toward a good thing cause I don’t think a business run by caucasians would have hired my mom and allowed her to work from home back then. Did she take what might have been a higher paying job away from an established citizen? Maybe, but my feeling is, jeeze, if you been in America for a long time, what are you still doing with such a lowly skill set,living in a country with more opportunity than any in the world,competing for a job against someone who literally just got off a plane and doesn’t know the language.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo]I don’t understand- are you saying it’s not good to overpay for something because it’s made in America?[/quote]
No. Sorry you don’t understand. I’m saying it’s not good to make real estate be the main source of your economy and have it turn into an investment speculative bubble. I’m sure I don’t need to begin to explain it all as there are endless threads about it on this site. Perhaps you can read through some of them.
And again — overpaying for quality is different than overpaying for MIC crap.
But I suspect that your post was just one of taunting me, so I’ll just stop.[/quote]
Let’s make things even clearer — you’re not overpaying for something if you’re getting something that lasts longer, and is of better quality than the less expensive version.
For example, if one person pays $100 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts for two years, and another person pays $700 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts 20 years, who is “overpaying”?
We won’t even go into the fact that this “cheap, disposable” model is far, far worse for our environment than the “more expensive, but durable” model.
But, of course, the “cheap, disposable” model is more profitable, so we should all celebrate the superiority of “capitalism” and the “right to profit,” no matter what damage is done to others or our environment.[/quote]
You don’t have to convince me to buy a $700 vacuum-I own a Sebo cause I got tired of buying a new vacuum every couple of years. I just don’t understand blanket statements like China makes only crap and that which is made/ or should be made in America will be of superior quality or “buy American, help your country” yada yada. As eavesdropper says also- be wary of that which claims to be made in America.Just cause it says made in America doesn’t mean it wasn’t made in some asian sweatshop in Orange county or the Bay Area – I know cause my mom use to work in one when I was little and she would show me stuff in stores that were stitched together in our very own home(rented, of course). I still haven’t decided if sweatshops were a good thing for us or a bad thing – I lean toward a good thing cause I don’t think a business run by caucasians would have hired my mom and allowed her to work from home back then. Did she take what might have been a higher paying job away from an established citizen? Maybe, but my feeling is, jeeze, if you been in America for a long time, what are you still doing with such a lowly skill set,living in a country with more opportunity than any in the world,competing for a job against someone who literally just got off a plane and doesn’t know the language.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb][quote=outtamojo]I don’t understand- are you saying it’s not good to overpay for something because it’s made in America?[/quote]
No. Sorry you don’t understand. I’m saying it’s not good to make real estate be the main source of your economy and have it turn into an investment speculative bubble. I’m sure I don’t need to begin to explain it all as there are endless threads about it on this site. Perhaps you can read through some of them.
And again — overpaying for quality is different than overpaying for MIC crap.
But I suspect that your post was just one of taunting me, so I’ll just stop.[/quote]
Let’s make things even clearer — you’re not overpaying for something if you’re getting something that lasts longer, and is of better quality than the less expensive version.
For example, if one person pays $100 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts for two years, and another person pays $700 for a vacuum cleaner that lasts 20 years, who is “overpaying”?
We won’t even go into the fact that this “cheap, disposable” model is far, far worse for our environment than the “more expensive, but durable” model.
But, of course, the “cheap, disposable” model is more profitable, so we should all celebrate the superiority of “capitalism” and the “right to profit,” no matter what damage is done to others or our environment.[/quote]
You don’t have to convince me to buy a $700 vacuum-I own a Sebo cause I got tired of buying a new vacuum every couple of years. I just don’t understand blanket statements like China makes only crap and that which is made/ or should be made in America will be of superior quality or “buy American, help your country” yada yada. As eavesdropper says also- be wary of that which claims to be made in America.Just cause it says made in America doesn’t mean it wasn’t made in some asian sweatshop in Orange county or the Bay Area – I know cause my mom use to work in one when I was little and she would show me stuff in stores that were stitched together in our very own home(rented, of course). I still haven’t decided if sweatshops were a good thing for us or a bad thing – I lean toward a good thing cause I don’t think a business run by caucasians would have hired my mom and allowed her to work from home back then. Did she take what might have been a higher paying job away from an established citizen? Maybe, but my feeling is, jeeze, if you been in America for a long time, what are you still doing with such a lowly skill set,living in a country with more opportunity than any in the world,competing for a job against someone who literally just got off a plane and doesn’t know the language.
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