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ParticipantAre we sure we’re not encouraging more of this
http://fox2now.com/2013/07/21/one-dead-following-float-trip-fight/
http://fox2now.com/2013/07/22/wife-of-man-gunned-down-on-float-trip-speaks-out/
“…Authorities asked Crocker why he didn’t call police and let them handle it. A deputy quoted Crocker as saying if he did that, the people on the float trip would have left the area before authorities arrived. The cop asked isn’t that what you (Crocker) wanted, for them to leave. Crocker agreed that would have worked to (sic).”
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=outtamojo][quote=squat300]
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini,…”That, in a nutshell, is what I personally fear the most about the Zimmerman shooting.
Being in law enforcement is tough enough with training so when ordinary citizens try to play cop bad things seem to happen.
Supposedly they are neighbors.[/quote]“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away…”[/quote]
Yeah I get it – in hindsight and on my living room couch I question why the guy had to confront and apprehend when the kid lived down the street from him.
Participant[quote=squat300]http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2013/07/20/justicefortrayvon-where-is-justice-for-christopher-cervini-jury-finds-black-man-not-guilty-after-he-shot-unarmed-white-teen-in-self-defense/
story on black guy shooting white kid gets an NG in NY.
perhaps the problems of America are unfixable.[/quote]
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini,…”
That, in a nutshell, is what I personally fear the most about the Zimmerman shooting.
Being in law enforcement is tough enough with training so when ordinary citizens try to play cop bad things seem to happen.
Supposedly they are neighbors.Participant[quote=ctr70]All I know is the jury sat in that courtroom for weeks and heard every bit of evidence in person, looked the defendant in the eyes for weeks, and scrutinized every bit of evidence with excruciating detail. No one posting on this message board or Obama did that. And based on what they had they found GZ not guilty. Everything else is pure speculation and guess work.[/quote]
Nobody has ever been wrongly convicted, in general?
Participant[quote=ctr70]Also, in terms of racial profiling…90% of black homicides in this county come at the hands of other blacks. Is that due to racial profiling?
Blacks are 13% of the U.S. population and commit a disproportionate amount crimes such as robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes. Is that due to racial profiling? Is the elevated high school dropout rate for blacks due to racial profiling? Is the fact that 75% black households growing up without their fathers due to racial profiling?
My point is that racial profiling is a bad, bad thing, but it’s not really the main issue at all.
Everybody wants to see the black community make great strides and improvements. And obviously racial profiling happens in society and it is a horrible, horrible demeaning thing to happen to a person. But my point is people like Al Sharpton and the mainstream media seem come out of the woodwork and go nuts about something like this when they are nowhere to be seen with the bigger issues. Why isn’t Al Sharpton doing demonstrations and getting black celebrities out in force regarding the thousands of black on black murders? The George Zimmermans of the world are not the issue in the black community! Non blacks murdering blacks because of racial profiling is a TINY PERCENTAGE. A rounding error. This stuff gets every one off focus of the real issues and then the REAL problems never get addressed.
I also really tire of the liberal far left political correctness on racial issues (and for the record I am liberal on most social issues and fiscally conservative). I think liberals can be some of the worst racists of all, being racists of low expectations of a person ability to think for themselves & pull themselves up. The whole “victim ” mentality crap. They never want to hurt anyone’s feelings or step on anyone’s toes, so they perpetuate mis-truths just to be politically correct, and therefore progress is never made because the truth is never told. They fail to put much of the blame on the *personal responsibility* of the black community and continue to perpetuate the myth that “white racism” is to blame for everything. They fail to tell the truth that much of someones situation in life comes from the *personal decisions* they make and the *personal actions* they take. And no amount of Government funding is going to solve that. If you commit a crime that is a *personal decision* you make on your own, and you own that decision, that is NOBODY ELSES FAULT!
When you blame everything on “white racism”, it takes away the other parties personal responsibility and personal accountability. Any failure in your life you can just easily blame on white racism. “I committed this crime and abandoned my kids because of white racism”. “I’m in this situation in life because of white racism.” Of course none of it had anything at all to do with my personal decisions in life or own self discipline.
I really like what Bill Cosby has to say on the status of Black America and what needs to be done to improve it. He has been one of the most interesting voices on this topic IMO. He is big on personal responsibility and accountability, and not the whole bleeding heart liberal denial game. And it’s not stuff Al Sharpton would likely agree with, at least publicly.[/quote]
“white racism” is profiling too I agree and notice that many get upset when thusly profiled.
ParticipantGetting off topic a little but I’m curious how much of this “logic based” profiling that is so acceptable (I’ll assume you are dangerous because almost everyone that looks like you is dangerous)carrries over when it comes to hiring- or does it magically disappear when one reaches the office?
ParticipantI bet Barkely woulda beat Zimmerman’s @ss too.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Yep, feelings is how people decide based in the incomplete facts they have.
My personal feeling is the Zimmerman needs to be convicted of something and go to prison. Otherwise there is no justice.
In talking to friends and acquaintances one issue that came up again an again was “what did Martin expect dressed like a thug in a white neighborhood?”.
That’s a very establishment point of view. I tend to be anti establishment simply because the establishment has too many protectors already. It doesn’t need more.
I’m happy that the Zimmerman trial causes us to reflect on some ugly parts of our society. I’m also glad that Dzohar Tsarnaev is on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.[/quote]
Very much agree. At the very least Zimmerman should be prohibited form owning a gun ever again
as all the genius had to do was pull it out in the first place and then the odds of a physical altercation drop to nearly zero. Seems like he allowed engagement knowing he had a gun and surmised rightly that once things became physical he could pull it out and justify shooting someone.
I am terrified for my son knowing the stupid things males do as teens and fear the idiocy and poor judgement of the establishment and their supposed common sense.Participant[quote=squat300]A black man running down the street as fast as he can in a white neighborhood.
A white man running down the street as fast as he can in a black neighborhood.
Do you think it likely they’re running for the same reason?[/quote]
I think most people would answer no. I thought it hilarious when New York Giant Victor Cruz tweeted
“Thoroughly confused. Zimmerman doesn’t last a year before the hood catches up to him.”
Is that not profiling the hood?
Is not the lesson here don’t go where you don’t fit in? How un-American have we become…
Participant[quote=squat300]true. so, you’re a prosecutor somewhere and you hear these facts in Florida.
Older black male is out at night on his porch and sees a young white kid walking down the street who is looking for a half pound of marijuana from a dealer he knows. Black male adult knows the white kid doesn’t belong there, and is sick of white kids coming to his neighborhood and fostering the drug trade. Black male adult starts following white kid, who gets freaked out. Black male adult yells “hey you, what the fuck are you doing in my ‘hood? Yeah you, stop and explain what the fuck you are doing here!”
Black male adult corners white teen; teen starts frantically punching the black male. Black male adult is losing the fight when he reaches into his waistband, pulls out a saturday ngiht special and blasts the white kid away. White kid is an honors student in a local white neighborhood who had been accepted to an Ivy League school and was trying to score drugs for a going away party for all his friends, whoa re also goign to ivy league schools.
black male was dressed in gang-like attire; white kid was dressed in preppy button down and khakis and arrived in his physician dad’s lexus.
Question: Is the black guy here as innocent as Zimmerman? Clearly the white kid here was more blameworthy in terms of his criminal intent for being in the location. But what about the black male. We definitely don’t want “feelings” to intrude, only facts…
Bonus points: you’re the prosecutor. Do you think it will be easier to get a conviction on the above facts than on George Z.?[/quote]
Funny, that’s almost the same thing I envisioned except it was the Griswolds taking a wrong turn on their vacation and some black guy asks them if they have drugs in their station wagon then when the Griswolds try to speed away in panic they are all shot dead cause the black guy felt like they were gonna run him over.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=outtamojo]Left-over antibiotics? Don’t you know that between one of you not finishing out your prescription and the other not getting a whole prescription you are helping to create resistant super-organisms?[/quote]
outtamojo, that’s kind of wacky. I though that only happened to people who overuse antibiotics.
In any case, LOTS of people have repeated refills left on common antibiotic prescriptions which they don’t fill because they are “better” now and don’t want to overuse antibiotics. Those refills could ostensibly be filled for your 20-something brother or friend who is uninsured and needs them.[/quote]
What you describe as overuse is more accurately described as inappropriately prescribed such as when a pediatrition gives in and just gives antibiotics for sinus infections to placate parents.
If your doctor is allowing you to refill an antibiotic prescription after 1 course does not help- run away fast, he/she is a whackjob. Only in special cases ie TB should there be refills on antibiotics. So the “lots of people” you know that are being given antibiotics with multiple refills are basically seeing nutjobs for doctors.
Please, google what the CDC says, before we unkowingly help add to
the list of super-organisms
hospitals are required to routinely test for upon admission and discharge.ParticipantLeft-over antibiotics? Don’t you know that between one of you not finishing out your prescription and the other not getting a whole prescription you are helping to create resistant super-organisms?
ParticipantThose who avoided 2005-2008 and figured the turn in 2009-2011 are geniuses. Rising home prices = leave the area or keep looking for a place to rent.
ParticipantI think the word bubble has become overused and under-defined.
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