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Participant[quote=4slive][quote=ocrenter][quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.
Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]
Because there are thousands of missiles pointed at Taiwan from China as well as threat of bloodbath from the People’s Liberation Army.
That’s all.[/quote]
Can you give the exact source of how many or just your illusion? Did any of those missiles ever fired to kill any people? As the world No.2 or No.3 power, China mainland has its right to deploy missile but I doubt anybody in Taiwan knows the exact purpose and number of them.[/quote]
My illusion? So are you saying the missiles are NOT there?
Participant[quote=4slive]
Manchu already merged into Chinese. Chinese is not only referred to HAN people. Manchu never ruled over Korea silimar case is Vietnam. For Mongolia, it’s offical pact to let it be independent by ROC government. If you can find such agreement to let Taiwan independent by either ROC or PRC government, then we won’t bother to argue this topic.[/quote]
The Manchus had a very strict racial segregation policy throughout their entire rule of China. With Manchus as the top of the society and the Han as second class citizens. Because ultimately they were so much smaller in numbers, eventually especially after the 1911 revolution they were assimilated as Chinese. But it would be a stretch to claim all Manchu empire land to be intrinsic sacred Chinese land.
ParticipantDouble-double tonight with 13 assists. Win number 7!!!
Participant[quote=4slive]
Thailand and Philippoines historicall had no much connection with China. Vietnam and Korea had very close connection, but they were not part of China. While the taiwan island not only ruled by Chinese government historically, but also ruled by Republic of China government until now. There is complex relationship between ROC and PRC, but no one can’t deny the commonality between them, CHINA. The people live in US can call themselves whatever they want. It doesn’t matter, nobody cares. We cares the taiwan island is ruled by Chinese government (ROC), the people should be called Chinese. This the bottom line Taiwanese people don’t dare to change at all. Face the fact, live with it.[/quote]In truth, Taiwan and China were only governed together under a Han Chinese government for 5 years, between 1945 to 1949. Then the PRC formed in China, creating an one China, one Taiwan reality.
Before that, the Manchu’s did rule over both China and Taiwan, but the Manchu’s also ruled over Mongolia, Korea, and huge parts of the Russian Far East.
Prior to the Manchu’s, Taiwan was occupied almost exclusively by malay tribes people.
Participant[quote=4slive][quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.
Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]
That’s the fact of politics. No one can take the risk to change the situation. Without changing the ROC naming, I can’t figure out any reason not to call ROC people as Chinese, which is not conflict with Taiwanese.
Back to 70s’, when ROC is the representative of China in UN, most of the ROC people like to call them as Chinese. Why things changed in just 30 years, it’s not ethical reason, and it’s just politics. Politics keeps changing while people can’t change their ethical stamp. With time goes, say in another 30 years, probably no surprise to see ROC people call them back as Chinese. I think it becomes a trend now.[/quote]
But back in the 70’s, people of Taiwan also cried and sobbed away when Dear Leader Chiang Kai Shek passed away. And when his passing coincided with a rainstorm, everyone believed the heaven was crying with them too.
Participant[quote=briansd1]4slive makes a good point.
Why does the ROC calls itself the Republica of China, if in reality they just want to be called Taiwan?[/quote]
Because there are thousands of missiles pointed at Taiwan from China as well as threat of bloodbath from the People’s Liberation Army.
That’s all.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m not saying asians dont participate in others things just less so.
Oddly I see asians under represented on the Cal and UCLA hoops/football teams.[/quote]
hey, that’s because Asian athletes are ignored and not given scholarships! 🙂
Participant[quote=sdhomes]yeah, this ocrenter should go back to Orange County
and not stir water here ….[/quote]appreciate the personal attack! thanks.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]speaking to ocr’s comments on Ivy Leagues. It has a lot to do with legacies. Lots of alumni jewish doctors and lawyers send their kids to their alma maters often tuition fre. They donate lots of money and have inside connections into the system they were a part of. Alot of my neighbors growing up were physicians at Univ of Penn. Not only did their kids all get in but they went because mom and/or dad were university employees so their tuition was free. Those places have HUGE endowments. I think it is alot more of that than outright discrimination against asians.[/quote]
not saying there isn’t some of that alumni issue. I know there is. But for that to be the difference between the 15% acceptance rate of Asians vs 30% acceptance rate of Jews, that’s a much bigger share of the pie then I would have ever imagined. And I can’t imagine a school would be able to retain its top caliber status letting that many lesser qualified alumni children in.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m all for a guy like Lin changing perceptions but its the Knicks. They will screw it up some way. They always do. They are like the Cubs of the NBA.[/quote]
and that is the only reason why he had the opportunity to shine. can you imagine if he was on a team like the Lakers? he’ll be a bench warmer for a few months and get let go.
Participant[quote=paranoid]OCrenter: what facts are you looking at?
The facts I see are that all major countries in the world recognize Taiwan as an integral part of China; and most people around the world consider people from Taiwan as Chinese. You can choose how you call yourself, or how you want other poeple call you, but you cannot choose how other people call you. accept the facts. irrational emotion will only hurt your health.[/quote]most countries acknowledge Taiwan as part of China because of Chinese insistence. This is international politics based on China’s internal need to create a made up reality. Because of its size, it can force others to acknowledge that made up reality. that does not mean it is real.
The best example was when the ROC actually had world recognition as the government of China despite the fact that the PRC was the effective government of China. the ROC had a made up reality at that time as well. But that did not mean it was real. The real government of China was the PRC, despite what the US, the UN, and the pretenders in the ROC said.
Facts on the ground is ultimately what matters. And facts on the ground is the reality of two countries. One country being China, the other country being Taiwan. Logically, the people from Taiwan should be called Taiwanese. I really don’t see why this is so difficult.
Participant[quote=paranoid]Ocrenter, you are a great housing analyst. You are also a narrow-minded nationalist. In the eyes of the world, both officially and unoffically, taiwanese is a subgroup of Chinese, like it or not.[/quote]
generally, the way of the world is when someone can’t beat someone else on facts, they start to engage in personal attacks.
your response is prime example.
Participant[quote=desmond]Wow, Lin hits a 3 with .05 seconds to go with the game tied, 27 points, 6 in a row……….It’s a final[/quote]
This guy is absolutely out of control. 27 points plus 11 assists! Crazy crazy crazy!!!
Participant[quote=outtamojo]Gosh, and no one’s even mentioned the Jason Whitlock thing yet…..[/quote]
only because that is not worth the bandwidth it traveled on.
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