[NotCranky]

However it goes, “bat poop crazy” has a nice ring to it.

[NotCranky]

“sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior

Where was this house? Is “Pimp Daddy” still around? ”

bsrsharma
The house was in Normal Heights. I missed the peak and I was a motivated seller :). At least one smaller shabbier house sold for more and mine was the low price leader or pretty nearly so, on ppsf for at least a year on both sides of the sale. Didn’t want to get greedy.

I typed a very long response as to why this happened and not only to me but to some of the other properties. I lost it on account of a faulty key stroke somewhere, sorry.Basically it was a convergence of the bubble, gentrification of this specific area and some houses benefitting greatly from infrastructure, businesses and housing stock improvements(tear downs, condo conversions and rehabs).

I googled “Pimp Daddy Limousines” I find a company but I don’t think the neighborhood “Pimp Daddy” had anything to do with it. The house he rented has sold and I have no idea where he is.

[NotCranky]

“sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior

Where was this house? Is “Pimp Daddy” still around? ”

bsrsharma
The house was in Normal Heights. I missed the peak and I was a motivated seller :). At least one smaller shabbier house sold for more and mine was the low price leader or pretty nearly so, on ppsf for at least a year on both sides of the sale. Didn’t want to get greedy.

I typed a very long response as to why this happened and not only to me but to some of the other properties. I lost it on account of a faulty key stroke somewhere, sorry.Basically it was a convergence of the bubble, gentrification of this specific area and some houses benefitting greatly from infrastructure, businesses and housing stock improvements(tear downs, condo conversions and rehabs).

I googled “Pimp Daddy Limousines” I find a company but I don’t think the neighborhood “Pimp Daddy” had anything to do with it. The house he rented has sold and I have no idea where he is.

[NotCranky]

“sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior

Where was this house? Is “Pimp Daddy” still around? ”

bsrsharma
The house was in Normal Heights. I missed the peak and I was a motivated seller :). At least one smaller shabbier house sold for more and mine was the low price leader or pretty nearly so, on ppsf for at least a year on both sides of the sale. Didn’t want to get greedy.

I typed a very long response as to why this happened and not only to me but to some of the other properties. I lost it on account of a faulty key stroke somewhere, sorry.Basically it was a convergence of the bubble, gentrification of this specific area and some houses benefitting greatly from infrastructure, businesses and housing stock improvements(tear downs, condo conversions and rehabs).

I googled “Pimp Daddy Limousines” I find a company but I don’t think the neighborhood “Pimp Daddy” had anything to do with it. The house he rented has sold and I have no idea where he is.

[NotCranky]

“sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior

Where was this house? Is “Pimp Daddy” still around? ”

bsrsharma
The house was in Normal Heights. I missed the peak and I was a motivated seller :). At least one smaller shabbier house sold for more and mine was the low price leader or pretty nearly so, on ppsf for at least a year on both sides of the sale. Didn’t want to get greedy.

I typed a very long response as to why this happened and not only to me but to some of the other properties. I lost it on account of a faulty key stroke somewhere, sorry.Basically it was a convergence of the bubble, gentrification of this specific area and some houses benefitting greatly from infrastructure, businesses and housing stock improvements(tear downs, condo conversions and rehabs).

I googled “Pimp Daddy Limousines” I find a company but I don’t think the neighborhood “Pimp Daddy” had anything to do with it. The house he rented has sold and I have no idea where he is.

[NotCranky]

“sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior

Where was this house? Is “Pimp Daddy” still around? ”

bsrsharma
The house was in Normal Heights. I missed the peak and I was a motivated seller :). At least one smaller shabbier house sold for more and mine was the low price leader or pretty nearly so, on ppsf for at least a year on both sides of the sale. Didn’t want to get greedy.

I typed a very long response as to why this happened and not only to me but to some of the other properties. I lost it on account of a faulty key stroke somewhere, sorry.Basically it was a convergence of the bubble, gentrification of this specific area and some houses benefitting greatly from infrastructure, businesses and housing stock improvements(tear downs, condo conversions and rehabs).

I googled “Pimp Daddy Limousines” I find a company but I don’t think the neighborhood “Pimp Daddy” had anything to do with it. The house he rented has sold and I have no idea where he is.

[NotCranky]

Sdr, When I finally voice a firm prediction, it usually happens, even when I am not one of the experts on the topic. BTW gold will ABSOLUTELY peak closer to 2k than 1k before a sustained retreat. I’m serious.

I think one factor that may affect the overall decline is that by the time some properties are hitting their lows other properties will be selling for more than their comparables are sold for earlier on in the down trending portion of the cycle. So when this happens it softens the apparent declines of the later years. I think someone already said that, on this thread, and perhaps I am just rephrasing it. If this is “bat poop” crazy it “serves you all right”.

I do wonder how many houses in the last cycle had this effect.Not having been put strait already, I would have said the correction last time was about 40% when in actuuality it was around 17%. In 1997 I sold a house I bought in 1992 where the previous owner paid 40% more than I did for a 30% gain on my aquistion price.It was still under the previous owners price but only by approximately 10%.The market was in its trough, the 17% overall correction. Presumably the house was always bought and sold at market price.If that was my experience did it happen broadly or could it?

Wether it did or not I think this could happen for several reasons.
1)Some markets over correct early on.The later ones perhaps won’t over correct as much.

2)The bailouts could start to take effect more intensely further down the line?

3)Cash wielding “Vultures” buy houses low at the worst periods of the market, rent them, and slowly turn them back into the market to less “vulture” like buyers at higher prices when freer lending comes, as a bailout or otherwise.

I am pretty comfortable with my opinion that the overall market goes down approximately half as much as the hardest hit areas. After reading your opinions I think it is likely to go down a little more or less than that. Also for the above reasons the hardest hit areas are not going to be as hard hit as we might think they will be over the entire down trend of the cycle.So that brings me back to around 30- 35%. That last stuff I need to go study.

[NotCranky]

Sdr, When I finally voice a firm prediction, it usually happens, even when I am not one of the experts on the topic. BTW gold will ABSOLUTELY peak closer to 2k than 1k before a sustained retreat. I’m serious.

I think one factor that may affect the overall decline is that by the time some properties are hitting their lows other properties will be selling for more than their comparables are sold for earlier on in the down trending portion of the cycle. So when this happens it softens the apparent declines of the later years. I think someone already said that, on this thread, and perhaps I am just rephrasing it. If this is “bat poop” crazy it “serves you all right”.

I do wonder how many houses in the last cycle had this effect.Not having been put strait already, I would have said the correction last time was about 40% when in actuuality it was around 17%. In 1997 I sold a house I bought in 1992 where the previous owner paid 40% more than I did for a 30% gain on my aquistion price.It was still under the previous owners price but only by approximately 10%.The market was in its trough, the 17% overall correction. Presumably the house was always bought and sold at market price.If that was my experience did it happen broadly or could it?

Wether it did or not I think this could happen for several reasons.
1)Some markets over correct early on.The later ones perhaps won’t over correct as much.

2)The bailouts could start to take effect more intensely further down the line?

3)Cash wielding “Vultures” buy houses low at the worst periods of the market, rent them, and slowly turn them back into the market to less “vulture” like buyers at higher prices when freer lending comes, as a bailout or otherwise.

I am pretty comfortable with my opinion that the overall market goes down approximately half as much as the hardest hit areas. After reading your opinions I think it is likely to go down a little more or less than that. Also for the above reasons the hardest hit areas are not going to be as hard hit as we might think they will be over the entire down trend of the cycle.So that brings me back to around 30- 35%. That last stuff I need to go study.

[NotCranky]

Sdr, When I finally voice a firm prediction, it usually happens, even when I am not one of the experts on the topic. BTW gold will ABSOLUTELY peak closer to 2k than 1k before a sustained retreat. I’m serious.

I think one factor that may affect the overall decline is that by the time some properties are hitting their lows other properties will be selling for more than their comparables are sold for earlier on in the down trending portion of the cycle. So when this happens it softens the apparent declines of the later years. I think someone already said that, on this thread, and perhaps I am just rephrasing it. If this is “bat poop” crazy it “serves you all right”.

I do wonder how many houses in the last cycle had this effect.Not having been put strait already, I would have said the correction last time was about 40% when in actuuality it was around 17%. In 1997 I sold a house I bought in 1992 where the previous owner paid 40% more than I did for a 30% gain on my aquistion price.It was still under the previous owners price but only by approximately 10%.The market was in its trough, the 17% overall correction. Presumably the house was always bought and sold at market price.If that was my experience did it happen broadly or could it?

Wether it did or not I think this could happen for several reasons.
1)Some markets over correct early on.The later ones perhaps won’t over correct as much.

2)The bailouts could start to take effect more intensely further down the line?

3)Cash wielding “Vultures” buy houses low at the worst periods of the market, rent them, and slowly turn them back into the market to less “vulture” like buyers at higher prices when freer lending comes, as a bailout or otherwise.

I am pretty comfortable with my opinion that the overall market goes down approximately half as much as the hardest hit areas. After reading your opinions I think it is likely to go down a little more or less than that. Also for the above reasons the hardest hit areas are not going to be as hard hit as we might think they will be over the entire down trend of the cycle.So that brings me back to around 30- 35%. That last stuff I need to go study.

[NotCranky]

Sdr, When I finally voice a firm prediction, it usually happens, even when I am not one of the experts on the topic. BTW gold will ABSOLUTELY peak closer to 2k than 1k before a sustained retreat. I’m serious.

I think one factor that may affect the overall decline is that by the time some properties are hitting their lows other properties will be selling for more than their comparables are sold for earlier on in the down trending portion of the cycle. So when this happens it softens the apparent declines of the later years. I think someone already said that, on this thread, and perhaps I am just rephrasing it. If this is “bat poop” crazy it “serves you all right”.

I do wonder how many houses in the last cycle had this effect.Not having been put strait already, I would have said the correction last time was about 40% when in actuuality it was around 17%. In 1997 I sold a house I bought in 1992 where the previous owner paid 40% more than I did for a 30% gain on my aquistion price.It was still under the previous owners price but only by approximately 10%.The market was in its trough, the 17% overall correction. Presumably the house was always bought and sold at market price.If that was my experience did it happen broadly or could it?

Wether it did or not I think this could happen for several reasons.
1)Some markets over correct early on.The later ones perhaps won’t over correct as much.

2)The bailouts could start to take effect more intensely further down the line?

3)Cash wielding “Vultures” buy houses low at the worst periods of the market, rent them, and slowly turn them back into the market to less “vulture” like buyers at higher prices when freer lending comes, as a bailout or otherwise.

I am pretty comfortable with my opinion that the overall market goes down approximately half as much as the hardest hit areas. After reading your opinions I think it is likely to go down a little more or less than that. Also for the above reasons the hardest hit areas are not going to be as hard hit as we might think they will be over the entire down trend of the cycle.So that brings me back to around 30- 35%. That last stuff I need to go study.

[NotCranky]

Sdr, When I finally voice a firm prediction, it usually happens, even when I am not one of the experts on the topic. BTW gold will ABSOLUTELY peak closer to 2k than 1k before a sustained retreat. I’m serious.

I think one factor that may affect the overall decline is that by the time some properties are hitting their lows other properties will be selling for more than their comparables are sold for earlier on in the down trending portion of the cycle. So when this happens it softens the apparent declines of the later years. I think someone already said that, on this thread, and perhaps I am just rephrasing it. If this is “bat poop” crazy it “serves you all right”.

I do wonder how many houses in the last cycle had this effect.Not having been put strait already, I would have said the correction last time was about 40% when in actuuality it was around 17%. In 1997 I sold a house I bought in 1992 where the previous owner paid 40% more than I did for a 30% gain on my aquistion price.It was still under the previous owners price but only by approximately 10%.The market was in its trough, the 17% overall correction. Presumably the house was always bought and sold at market price.If that was my experience did it happen broadly or could it?

Wether it did or not I think this could happen for several reasons.
1)Some markets over correct early on.The later ones perhaps won’t over correct as much.

2)The bailouts could start to take effect more intensely further down the line?

3)Cash wielding “Vultures” buy houses low at the worst periods of the market, rent them, and slowly turn them back into the market to less “vulture” like buyers at higher prices when freer lending comes, as a bailout or otherwise.

I am pretty comfortable with my opinion that the overall market goes down approximately half as much as the hardest hit areas. After reading your opinions I think it is likely to go down a little more or less than that. Also for the above reasons the hardest hit areas are not going to be as hard hit as we might think they will be over the entire down trend of the cycle.So that brings me back to around 30- 35%. That last stuff I need to go study.

[NotCranky]

I knew things were strange in the market(and elsewhere) when the owner of “Pimp Daddy” limousines moved in next door to me and his good buddy was a Realtor who had a life size mural of himself painted on both sides of his SUV and probably the hood too. The second clue was that despite these pink and purple Limos parked in front of my house I was able to sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior.”Pimp Daddy” was a pretty nice guy by the way. I’ve got nothing against flourescent pink cars either. I hate to see cars with murals of Realtors on them though. Maybe the Realtor had pimp daddy drive his clients to view houses. I should have thought of that.

[NotCranky]

I knew things were strange in the market(and elsewhere) when the owner of “Pimp Daddy” limousines moved in next door to me and his good buddy was a Realtor who had a life size mural of himself painted on both sides of his SUV and probably the hood too. The second clue was that despite these pink and purple Limos parked in front of my house I was able to sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior.”Pimp Daddy” was a pretty nice guy by the way. I’ve got nothing against flourescent pink cars either. I hate to see cars with murals of Realtors on them though. Maybe the Realtor had pimp daddy drive his clients to view houses. I should have thought of that.

[NotCranky]

I knew things were strange in the market(and elsewhere) when the owner of “Pimp Daddy” limousines moved in next door to me and his good buddy was a Realtor who had a life size mural of himself painted on both sides of his SUV and probably the hood too. The second clue was that despite these pink and purple Limos parked in front of my house I was able to sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior.”Pimp Daddy” was a pretty nice guy by the way. I’ve got nothing against flourescent pink cars either. I hate to see cars with murals of Realtors on them though. Maybe the Realtor had pimp daddy drive his clients to view houses. I should have thought of that.

[NotCranky]

I knew things were strange in the market(and elsewhere) when the owner of “Pimp Daddy” limousines moved in next door to me and his good buddy was a Realtor who had a life size mural of himself painted on both sides of his SUV and probably the hood too. The second clue was that despite these pink and purple Limos parked in front of my house I was able to sell it for more than six times what I bought it for less than than 10 years prior.”Pimp Daddy” was a pretty nice guy by the way. I’ve got nothing against flourescent pink cars either. I hate to see cars with murals of Realtors on them though. Maybe the Realtor had pimp daddy drive his clients to view houses. I should have thought of that.

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