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I enjoyed the conversations, but based on the direction taken by the OP , in the face of such discussions, this is for all practical purposes a “Troll” post. O.K., so I am slow on some things.

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[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=Blogstar]I was able to surmise when I was 7 that my dad had banged someone elses wife….[/quote]

Five for me… Though I didnt think about sex. It was just another woman. I saw a cigarette with lipstick on it in the cars ashtray and asked my dad if mom had started smoking. He told me know and that the cigarette should be our little secert. I put it all together around 8. I don’t know who felt more cheated on… My mom or me for my dad making me part of his betrayal.

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Sorry that happened to you. That sucks.

In my case the case of my father I was not too hurt by it directly.We were seriously at odds already. The act of revenge I witnessed the woman’s husband attempt and the ensuing divorce of my parents were educational ,or illustrative , or something like that. There are better ways to learn to be honest and keep your business from where it doesn’t belong, of course.

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Doesn’t seem like that big of a deal. Then again, I didn’t go to college!

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How about worrying about something that really matters like teachers pay and job stability to be based on student performance?[/quote]

I think it should be based on parents performance. Student success has a much higher correlation with parent performance than teacher performance. So if teachers can get parents to perform where they historically have not, they should get bonuses.[/quote]

Maybe a nice direction to go, I don’t know, I have my doubts too, but that might not be a fair burden upon the teacher. In lots of places if you are a waste of time academically, you go home.

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[quote=spdrun]Just because it’s “innate” doesn’t make it good or useful in industrialized society ca. 2013. Homophobia seems like a dumb thing to waste one’s energy on.[/quote]
True. However, stating the obvious, some people are strongly immeshed in paradigms set out by church and state that are against the mere notion that homosexuality is at worst a neutral thing.

We still have some rural situations where lack of reproduction is perceived
as a survival or material problem, at least at the family level. Probably not many, but I did meet one gay man who was caught up in this situation on his family’s dairy farm.

We should be sensitive to people who are feeling distraught over this changing Paradigm whether they are gay or homophobic. This isn’t the Netherlands. You don’t know what the homophobic has been through. It seems like piggs are being fairly sensitive to Paramount. Age appropriateness should always be open for discussion on any topic.

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[quote=spdrun]Why — the world is overpopulated as it is. Fewer breeders would be a good thing.[/quote]

Yes, but that wasn’t always true. The ability to oppose homosexuality may be as innate as the ability to accept it. This can be manipulated. That’s why culture by culture the issue is always on a pendulum type pattern to some degree.

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It may be natural for humans to consider that homosexuality may get out of control which could be bad for society some anthropological basis. But there is no need for paranoia at this point.

Try reading this , Paramount…or , maybe anthropology is the work of the devil?

http://www.fed.cuhk.edu.hk/%7Elchang/material/Evolutionary/evo%20homosexual%20review.pdf

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BBC did a video called Living with Cavemen. Lots of heterosexual stuff , but no homosexual stuff. It’s a fraud , I want my money back.

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I was able to surmise when I was 7 that my dad had banged someone elses wife….

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[quote=6packscaredy]i wonder how one would break the news about gay people to kids after so much time, assuming they hadn’t heard the news. it’s difficult to imagine the speech…

it’s difficult to imagine the kid not laughing at the parent if it were held back for so long too…

i guess, unless they lived ina bubble. and never accidentally caught an epidode or ad for Modern Family…[/quote]

We don;’t have TV my kids know about gay people. We were close to a couple until one of them passed. My kids visited them in hospice. What they don’t know about is how much turmoil there is in our society over it. …or how much ignorance there is , perhaps from many sides.

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I didn’t label you as a homophobe, i suggested homophobia may be socially engineered.

That said, I am not ready to say I agree with a demonstration like that in the video of the little girl reading her essay. I can see pro’s though lots of them. I would not consider it damaging to my kids. Those kids are not 5 they are 7 or 8.

My 4th and 5th grader are coming home obviously having learned the language that relates to sexual preference from other kids….most of it cruel. They learned faggot in the 2nd grade. We are working on it. Can’t avoid the 1rst grader from picking up some of both what they learn at school and what I have to say about it.

Like to hear from those who are certain the schools presentation via the little girl is fine though.

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[quote=paramount][quote=Rich Toscano]Passing mention of a same-sex couple = “radical gay agenda”[/quote]

Seems innocent and subtle; it’s anything but…

Kids can’t live in a bubble forever, but I want to decide how and when to teach my children about any sexuality (regardless of how subtle the suggestion is….) prior to Jr. High in particular.

Gay Literature is being presented to innocent children in California starting in Kindergarten (ie. Harvey Milk) and 1st grade. I call that Radical.

I call that Social Engineering.

Sadly, this agenda will spread Nationwide.

Private/Charter Schools: Now More than Ever…[/quote]
Maybe the opposite of what you dislike about these trends is part and partial of the ” social engineering” of homophobia? Societies are not and have not always been so afraid as ours has been and is of same sex stuff.

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[quote=spdrun]What about foreign-born or 1st-gen kids who may not have family or close family friends who are vets?

(I’d have probably put my grandfather’s name, who died fighting the Nazis as part of the Polish resistance.)[/quote]

I did no follow-up but the school where it happened has a mix of families who have mostly been in the country a few generations at least. Whites and Hispanics and Hispanic do military service…maybe even disproportionately now.

Last year they were giving kids military rankings based on how they were progressing with state test milestones. Of course, there was a strong socio-ecomnomic relationship. I put a stop to it .

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Is the degree that people are capable of co-existing harmoniously with other people a born in trait or developed environmentally?

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I am offended by double posts.

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