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ParticipantThis is an interesting development. Minor but interesting none the less.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0305/Young-conservative-and-atheist-A-test-for-the-GOPParticipantYou aren’t really drawing any parallels to what I am talking about.
Just don’t go around feeding hysteria unjustly. Most people of all races really want a reasonably effective police force and giving the mob the upper hand or fueling low level vigilante civic behavior because of your feelings over some problems, even tragic ones, doesn’t really do that. It’s certainly not about building bridges or anything like that. I just see you ranting and raving and stirring up the pot, more akin to the hysterical looters and what not than to what one would expect of a legal professional.
A friend the other day pointed out that MLK would be quite pleased to see how many blacks and whites are sincere friends or how well we are functioning together in many arenas. I say build on that , don’t tear it down for whatever motivation you may have. I think you guys might inadvertently be on the wrong side of that.
ParticipantEither make the claim that you want to abolish police completely, or play fair with them. You can’t give them the dirty work and expect them not to mess with “uncivilized” elements, or to do a perfect job at it. Further more , I know Obama did not abolish the secret service so as not to hamper the “uncivilized” who would do him in. He must be a conservative.
It looks a lot like hate.
ParticipantThat’s a tough question. I can’t answer it but just wonder if you are aware that you might be able claim a certain amount of charitable deduction without having any proof of it? I am not sure what it is now, remember it being around $500 a few years ago. If you don’t think you are going to have a large deduction maybe you can follow-up on this to see if it works for you? Otherwise , let’s hope someone here has your answer.
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No justification for hordes on the backs of crime fighters.
“Crime fighters”, spare me. You’re making them seem like some sort of superheroes. If we got rid of 90% of our asinine drug and morality laws and set highway speed limits to reasonable levels, probably half of the crime they’re “fighting” would no longer exist.[/quote]
Maybe poking you a little but you guys are making every cop out to be Brown Shirts and that’s just nuts. It’s a huge country with lots of not so constructive elements , some stuff is going to happen. Cops have never been the cream of the crop and we have been through all that. When cops screw up they should pay the price. Not letting anyone of them work reasonably isn’t the right price.
ParticipantI am going to go out on a limb and say there is a lot of hatred for cops because they are majority white and not of high education and they can be perceived to fall under the conservative family tree. Some people have shown their colors enough, that it is very easy to conclude that the hate and irrationality is rooted there.
Participant[quote=spdrun]Trials are already public.
Teachers aren’t typically armed and don’t have the power to kill someone essentially at will.
As far as hospitals, most surgery requires the patient’s informed consent. A bunch of cops jumping on someone, not so much.
Police need special oversight. If they don’t like it, they’re free to find another job. Over the top? Maybe. But we’ll have to agree to disagree.[/quote]
I can agree to disagree, However, a bunch of cops NOT jumping someone is the norm. A bunch of cops even when arresting a black man do not jump him or do anything violent if at all possible, that is the norm. Also unfortunately, too often when a mob sees something between a black man and a cop , or cops, they are hysterically mental and ready to go ballistic in favor of the black man when they don’t know a damn thing . It has been proven , when asked after the fact , that large numbers in these mobs lie about what has occurred. No justification for hordes on the backs of crime fighters.
ParticipantThat’s just over the top, A bunch of random people go to anyone’s job and get in the way, guess what , the cops are going to get called! Why don’t we just crash government hospital surgery rooms and get in the way, fuck it they are public servants. Lets go crash a state college class and not let the teacher teach, fuck it she’s a government servant. Let’s go to court crash up scaredy’s closing arguments to save some poor guys soul, who we think may have killed someone, that’s the people’s courtroom, fuck it, he’s a government servant.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]http://thefreethoughtproject.com/armed-officer-charges-woman-filming-police-smashes-phone/
You can try to film the cops but I think as this becomes more common they are going to kick the shit out of cameramen. Personally I think it’s way risky. Here a cop assaults an l.a. woman for trying to record them.[/quote]
As much as I understand the frustration that cops feel when people crowd around them (often shouting insults), and stick cameras in their faces, I agree that it needs to be done. There are definitely abuses out there, and those cops need to be held accountable.[/quote]
cops don’t like being filmed because it’s new and it changes everything. It makes them very vulnerable to exposure where before they could do anything. It’s not frustration. It’s fear. It’s not a few cops feeling it. It’s many.[/quote]
It doesn’t need to be done and shouldn’t be . Cops don’t like random people encroaching on police business, sure there is some fear of the cameras related to having abuses or mistakes filmed, but even before this technology became ubiquitous
if something was going down they didn’t want people involved, they didn’t want you to dribble a basketball around them. Not necessarily unreasonable. The person could approach with a camera and jump them . The camera people could become hostages or get in the way. Being reasonable, The cameras and persons holding them need to be at a significant distance. Just because the mob is carrying cameras doesn’t put them on the side of fair play. People do not belong right on top of police work especially with the number of hysterical people these days.Participant3000 security personnel at the Boston Marathon yesterday, 30,000 white people chasing 10 skinny black men and nobody got hurt. Man, anywhere there are cops there’s violence.
ParticipantGo Madison Wisconsin! Just say yes to those who say no to G-D.
I want to post this on my face book page but I have deleted everyone who posts blatant pro- religious or political stuff so that would be hypocritical on my part.https://news.yahoo.com/america-beginning-accept-atheists-214209363.html
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi
Plus if you don’t believe the police works for you, then why even have sympathy for them? They don’t deserve it. Principles of justice are out the window. We just end up with mafia type justice.
No.[/quote]
Ever try to look at two sides of a coin? Lots of good policing does happen. The other extremes do happen. Currently the hysteria is unwarranted. Anti-crime fighting elements are real. Some are borne of necessary checks and balances and some are political problems, evils against humanity and a very difficult situation for police result from those things too.
The cops knew that crazy black druggie was out there , but knew you would cry profiling if they dealt with him, so you almost hit him. Maybe if you hit him he would have taken you out of the gene pool? Then you would be crying about why the police didn’t do something about him. Can’t win them all.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]Police don’t work for me I know that,most of them would bash my head in in a minute if told to do so, same with military. No need to point that out. [/quote]
Actually, yes, there’s a need to point it out if that what you believe.
In society, cops and the military are “heroes” and they are given special trust and credibility. They are well paid and given healthcare and pensions. Aren’t they carefully vetted and given special training?[/quote]
I don’t think how bad cops are is a counter point to whether or not defense attorneys lie. That’s why it didn’t need to be pointed out. Not around a quote of anything I said, which it was. Red Herring.
Knowing the many anti-crime fighting elements in the system , from the meanest streets to the courts, is something one could gain some sympathy for police officers.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Police don’t work for me I know that,most of them would bash my head in in a minute if told to do so, same with military. No need to point that out. My point simply was, everyone lies in court, or uses the potential to do so as power. However the incentives(for the attorney and the client) or ethics want to be construed.[/quote]
Can you see how the public trust and the system might be damaged in a far more severe way when police lie?[/quote]
I can see that. The current hysteria doesn’t seem to fit the causation factors. By current, I mean pretty much the time frame we have been talking about these things on Piggington’s. Paranoia can belong to the people, or subsets of us, too.
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