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[quote=all][quote=no_such_reality]Reports now are indicating there were three police officers in the pack…[/quote]
Some reports say there were six. The biker gang is changing the name to Cops & Snitches.

Edit: correction, Copz n Snitchez.[/quote]

It’s okay, it was a carefully run program called “Operation Road Rage” by the Justice Department. The group consisted of 298 undercover officers and two suspected road ragers. Meezees, aan aspiring rapper apparently got swept up in the hype.

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[quote=jeff303]I work in the software industry (used to be in the financial domain, now education). Just because the computer prints out an accurate number doesn’t mean it’s transcribed accurately through all the layers of people in between it and the news story. Ever played the game of telephone? From my limited experience, Hanlon’s Razor tends to hold true.[/quote]

I work in software too, lying to make it look good is pretty rampant.

As is playing lose with facts. AKA, when asked how it’s going, you give them the ‘hit’ count.

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Reports now are indicating there were three police officers in the pack…

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We’re in this mess for one simple reason.

Popular has replaced thought.

Antonio Villaraigosa goes to Washington Think Tank

After leading LA through the dark ages and massively improving it’s infrastructure (/snark), what could be more appropriate than a Washington think tank on infrastructure…

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I think you guys are sadly mistaken. I don’t think Obama had anything to do with it. I don’t think the Obama’s had anything to do with the prior incidents such as the audits of the ‘patriot’ groups.

No, the problem is actually much more heinous. It isn’t the president, too many of the pro-Obama government employees are ideologues. People crank about activist Judges, we have activists government employees that are slowly slipping into an ends justifies means mentality.

Now excuse me, I’m going to go read about the massive pent up demand that continues to cripple the health exchanges even though the media is having an incredibly hard time finding anyone that is signing up.

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[quote=ucodegen][quote=FlyerInHi]In the NYC incident, what if a biker had a gun and shot the driver because he “feared for his life” after then driver ran over the other guy?

Btw, I have several guns.[/quote]BTW, I drive a big freakin truck powered by a drag boat engine (big block). All the biker had to do is call it in. Put some throttle to the bike and the Range Rover couldn’t catch them. It would be harder to outrun my truck. Look up ‘Farm Truck’ on youtube. That is what old bigblocks are like when unleashed or tuned. That old red truck is his daily driver, his dog runs shotgun.

By the way, if you instigate a conflict, you can’t then kill claiming you feared for your life. And again, the biker has the option of applying throttle. The defense/fear for ones life needs to be plausible.[/quote]

Mease, the crippled biker, wasn’t breaking any laws and didn’t start any conflict. There is no law against bikes riding together. The police only denied them a permit for Times Square.

Mease did confront Lein, while riding, Mease stopped after any after an accident to render assistance to a downed and injured motorcyclist. Obviously Mease was thinking appropriate, because there were off duty police officers in the group and they weren’t reporting anything.

LOL, cha-ching.

People really need to watch all the videos and realize how much the police aren’t there to protect them and realize just what are society is has become.

The Hollywood Stuntz behavior is really typical.

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[quote=ocrenter]Biggest problem I’m seeing is how the NYPD was completely invisible throughout the entire affair. The video from the break check to the site where Lien was pulled out and beaten was over 6 minutes. There were zero NYPD within 5 minutes of what is a busy highway? They couldn’t anticipate where the bikers would be heading? They couldn’t get over to setup roadblock several exits ahead? Especially if Lien’s wife was on the phone with 911 during the chase.

The complete lawlessness of the whole affair in the middle of NYC just seem so bizarre.[/quote]

Chaching!

Did you hear that? That was Gloria cash register clocking up another major payday.

Why? Well, the PD was present. An off duty cop was part of the bike group, did nothing and failed to report the incident until Wednesday!

Chaching!

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The bikers had, note past tense, lots of videos up. The more videos you saw, the more obvious it was that the bikers caused the situation, escalated the situation and started the attack that lead to the one biker getting run over.

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Actually, it’s not visitors, my bad. 645,000 hits 514,000 visitors.

I’m a clueless PR hack. 🙂

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[quote=SK in CV]
But in general I agree with you. The law was in part poorly written, and in part ill conceived. There was a lot more that could have been done. But I expect that ultimately it will reduce the rise total health care costs, expand the availability of coverage and be a step in the right direction to fix what was a many faceted irreparable model for health care financing. It wasn’t just health care providers making too much profit, or insurance companies making too much profit, or DME manufacturers or drug companies making too much money that caused the system to break. And no single thing will fix it.[/quote]

The underlying systemic issue is what is causing our prior model to break. We’re not a heartless nation saying just let people die, so we EMTALA. EMTALA results in 80% of ER visits being uninsured. The ER is one of the LEAST cost effective points for treating people.

The facilities all then restructure their chargemaster to recoop their cost through insurance by factoring it in to the cost. So your ER is 5X what it really should be, because the bill is reimbursing the hospital for the fact that 4 out of 5 basically aren’t paying.

Your regular doctor is much the same. But instead of no-pays, they have Usual, Customary and Reasonable charges. And they have to work on collecting any amount over the various UCR which brings us back to the emergency room analogy.

IMO, the biggest savings of ACA will be driven by taking a large subset of the 40+ million uninsured and moving them from expensive, too little too late treatment in the ER, to less expensive, more preventative treatment up stream.

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It depends, if it’s a car and not a cracker-box, $35K is much closer. IMHO, the Model-S as designed, should be a $35K car.

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I’m reporting you for an audit.

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Yea, I read that same piece but must of been some weird glitch because it didn’t read that way, maybe I just read too fast.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=The-Shoveler]There may be a small short term one or so year blip on the inventory and price as CAR suggests, but I think in the long run it would not make much difference.

Also I think the adverse affects on rents and the economy ect.. would be greater than expected.[/quote]

Or not. Again, why in the world are we subsidizing the profits of RE investors?[/quote]

Because frankly, that’s just spin BS. Not taxing more isn’t subsidizing.

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[quote=UCGal]Interesting article about GM studying Tesla… both the car and the business paradigm.

http://news.yahoo.com/general-motors-takes-look-under-teslas-hood-194735301–finance.html%5B/quote%5D

You had me excited there for a moment UCGal. Then I saw it’s GM that’s thinking Gen3 and building a $30-$35K volt. I know GM, $35K means $45K and it’s still a glorified Chevy Cavalier.

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