[meadandale]

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I got some dodo recruiter that contacted me about a wonderful opportunity as a Junior QA engineer in florida from LinkedIn… I responded “do you even bother to try to read people’s profile?” Apparently not…[/quote]

Funny, my linked in profile says I’m an independent contractor…and some outsourcing company contacted me about outsourcing services they wanted to provide me. I read him the riot act about how he’s sending US jobs offshore for the cheapest cost at the expense of quality and people like him are directly affecting my ability to make a living.

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[quote=flu]
I got some dodo recruiter that contacted me about a wonderful opportunity as a Junior QA engineer in florida from LinkedIn… I responded “do you even bother to try to read people’s profile?” Apparently not…[/quote]

Funny, my linked in profile says I’m an independent contractor…and some outsourcing company contacted me about outsourcing services they wanted to provide me. I read him the riot act about how he’s sending US jobs offshore for the cheapest cost at the expense of quality and people like him are directly affecting my ability to make a living.

[meadandale]

[quote=flu]
I got some dodo recruiter that contacted me about a wonderful opportunity as a Junior QA engineer in florida from LinkedIn… I responded “do you even bother to try to read people’s profile?” Apparently not…[/quote]

Funny, my linked in profile says I’m an independent contractor…and some outsourcing company contacted me about outsourcing services they wanted to provide me. I read him the riot act about how he’s sending US jobs offshore for the cheapest cost at the expense of quality and people like him are directly affecting my ability to make a living.

[meadandale]

[quote=flu]
I got some dodo recruiter that contacted me about a wonderful opportunity as a Junior QA engineer in florida from LinkedIn… I responded “do you even bother to try to read people’s profile?” Apparently not…[/quote]

Funny, my linked in profile says I’m an independent contractor…and some outsourcing company contacted me about outsourcing services they wanted to provide me. I read him the riot act about how he’s sending US jobs offshore for the cheapest cost at the expense of quality and people like him are directly affecting my ability to make a living.

[meadandale]

Uh, yeah….my rate is just a little higher. Even when I was a FTE my W2 salary was demonstrably higher than that.

These folks in management never seen to understand that you get what you pay for. $35/hr seems great until you realize the product takes 3x to build and sucks 3x as bad as if you’d hired someone competent.

“If you think it’s expensive to hire an expert, wait until you hire an amateur”.

[meadandale]

Uh, yeah….my rate is just a little higher. Even when I was a FTE my W2 salary was demonstrably higher than that.

These folks in management never seen to understand that you get what you pay for. $35/hr seems great until you realize the product takes 3x to build and sucks 3x as bad as if you’d hired someone competent.

“If you think it’s expensive to hire an expert, wait until you hire an amateur”.

[meadandale]

Uh, yeah….my rate is just a little higher. Even when I was a FTE my W2 salary was demonstrably higher than that.

These folks in management never seen to understand that you get what you pay for. $35/hr seems great until you realize the product takes 3x to build and sucks 3x as bad as if you’d hired someone competent.

“If you think it’s expensive to hire an expert, wait until you hire an amateur”.

[meadandale]

Uh, yeah….my rate is just a little higher. Even when I was a FTE my W2 salary was demonstrably higher than that.

These folks in management never seen to understand that you get what you pay for. $35/hr seems great until you realize the product takes 3x to build and sucks 3x as bad as if you’d hired someone competent.

“If you think it’s expensive to hire an expert, wait until you hire an amateur”.

[meadandale]

Uh, yeah….my rate is just a little higher. Even when I was a FTE my W2 salary was demonstrably higher than that.

These folks in management never seen to understand that you get what you pay for. $35/hr seems great until you realize the product takes 3x to build and sucks 3x as bad as if you’d hired someone competent.

“If you think it’s expensive to hire an expert, wait until you hire an amateur”.

[meadandale]

Timely commentary by Ruben Navarrette…

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/25/staying-home-and-holding-out/

A few years ago, before the current recession took hold, I was speaking to a group of high school students and wound up being given a pop quiz.

I assured my audience that by setting high goals, working hard, making sacrifices and never giving up, they could be successful. One student quickly raised his hand and asked for my definition of success. I told him it went beyond material wealth to doing something you love and find fulfilling, but still gives you enough economic sustenance to prevent you from abandoning ship and moving on to something else. The student smiled and gave me an enthusiastic thumbs-up.

I think about that encounter whenever I interview an academic who has studied the work habits and job preferences of so-called Millennials, ages 18 to 29. Or when I read about surveys of young people who put job satisfaction before concerns about salary or security. And I wonder if my answer did more harm than good.

In the context of the immigration debate, I’ve written a lot about Millennials not having much of a work ethic – especially for the hard jobs their parents and grandparents did a generation or two ago. And it’s not just the worst jobs that some young people are avoiding. It’s almost any job.

The unemployment rate for young Americans hovers at about 14 percent, compared to the national rate of 9.5 percent. Another 23 percent of young people are not even looking for a job, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But there’s another side to this coin. For those young people who do want to work, and those who went to college and perhaps even graduate school with the expectation that acquiring more education would automatically lead to a good job, many don’t believe in the concept of paying their dues. They tell reporters and survey-takers that they want to be assured they won’t spin their wheels in a dead-end job.

Life offers no such assurances. And besides, dues-paying worked pretty well for earlier generations, who seemed to have more respect for the concept of work in general. You took a job even if it wasn’t your ideal job with the hopes that other opportunities would open up and you’d move on. For the young worker of the 20th century, any kind of job was considered valuable, if nothing else because it provided a way of becoming self-sufficient and moving out of your parents’ home.

Today, with many Millennials not willing to work their way up and holding out for their dream job, even if it means turning down what earlier generations would have considered good offers of other employment, it’s no wonder that more and more 20-somethings are still living with mom and dad. The Pew Research Center found that in 2008, when the recession began, the percentage of the population that lived in households where at least two generations were present inched upward to 16 percent. In good times, that figure might be as low as 12 percent.

The stay-at-home youths include 24-year-old Scott Nicholson, who was the subject of a recent article in The New York Times. The unemployed college graduate lives with his parents in Grafton, Mass., while searching web sites for corporate job openings and sending out resumes for those he finds acceptable. After a host of interviews, he was recently offered a job as an associate claims adjuster for an insurance company. The position paid $40,000 a year, more than enough to get him out on his own. Nicholson turned the job down, preferring to hold out for the corporate position he really wanted – one that would give him an opportunity for career advancement.

It’s difficult to feel sorry for someone who, just out of college, turns down a starting job that pays $40,000 a year to wait around for something better. And I wonder how many other young Americans out there are making similar choices.

Now that the Congress has approved a bill to extend unemployment benefits, the mainstream media are churning out stories intended to make unemployed Americans look helpless and sympathetic. Some of them are both. But some are neither.

[meadandale]

Timely commentary by Ruben Navarrette…

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/25/staying-home-and-holding-out/

A few years ago, before the current recession took hold, I was speaking to a group of high school students and wound up being given a pop quiz.

I assured my audience that by setting high goals, working hard, making sacrifices and never giving up, they could be successful. One student quickly raised his hand and asked for my definition of success. I told him it went beyond material wealth to doing something you love and find fulfilling, but still gives you enough economic sustenance to prevent you from abandoning ship and moving on to something else. The student smiled and gave me an enthusiastic thumbs-up.

I think about that encounter whenever I interview an academic who has studied the work habits and job preferences of so-called Millennials, ages 18 to 29. Or when I read about surveys of young people who put job satisfaction before concerns about salary or security. And I wonder if my answer did more harm than good.

In the context of the immigration debate, I’ve written a lot about Millennials not having much of a work ethic – especially for the hard jobs their parents and grandparents did a generation or two ago. And it’s not just the worst jobs that some young people are avoiding. It’s almost any job.

The unemployment rate for young Americans hovers at about 14 percent, compared to the national rate of 9.5 percent. Another 23 percent of young people are not even looking for a job, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But there’s another side to this coin. For those young people who do want to work, and those who went to college and perhaps even graduate school with the expectation that acquiring more education would automatically lead to a good job, many don’t believe in the concept of paying their dues. They tell reporters and survey-takers that they want to be assured they won’t spin their wheels in a dead-end job.

Life offers no such assurances. And besides, dues-paying worked pretty well for earlier generations, who seemed to have more respect for the concept of work in general. You took a job even if it wasn’t your ideal job with the hopes that other opportunities would open up and you’d move on. For the young worker of the 20th century, any kind of job was considered valuable, if nothing else because it provided a way of becoming self-sufficient and moving out of your parents’ home.

Today, with many Millennials not willing to work their way up and holding out for their dream job, even if it means turning down what earlier generations would have considered good offers of other employment, it’s no wonder that more and more 20-somethings are still living with mom and dad. The Pew Research Center found that in 2008, when the recession began, the percentage of the population that lived in households where at least two generations were present inched upward to 16 percent. In good times, that figure might be as low as 12 percent.

The stay-at-home youths include 24-year-old Scott Nicholson, who was the subject of a recent article in The New York Times. The unemployed college graduate lives with his parents in Grafton, Mass., while searching web sites for corporate job openings and sending out resumes for those he finds acceptable. After a host of interviews, he was recently offered a job as an associate claims adjuster for an insurance company. The position paid $40,000 a year, more than enough to get him out on his own. Nicholson turned the job down, preferring to hold out for the corporate position he really wanted – one that would give him an opportunity for career advancement.

It’s difficult to feel sorry for someone who, just out of college, turns down a starting job that pays $40,000 a year to wait around for something better. And I wonder how many other young Americans out there are making similar choices.

Now that the Congress has approved a bill to extend unemployment benefits, the mainstream media are churning out stories intended to make unemployed Americans look helpless and sympathetic. Some of them are both. But some are neither.

[meadandale]

Timely commentary by Ruben Navarrette…

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/25/staying-home-and-holding-out/

A few years ago, before the current recession took hold, I was speaking to a group of high school students and wound up being given a pop quiz.

I assured my audience that by setting high goals, working hard, making sacrifices and never giving up, they could be successful. One student quickly raised his hand and asked for my definition of success. I told him it went beyond material wealth to doing something you love and find fulfilling, but still gives you enough economic sustenance to prevent you from abandoning ship and moving on to something else. The student smiled and gave me an enthusiastic thumbs-up.

I think about that encounter whenever I interview an academic who has studied the work habits and job preferences of so-called Millennials, ages 18 to 29. Or when I read about surveys of young people who put job satisfaction before concerns about salary or security. And I wonder if my answer did more harm than good.

In the context of the immigration debate, I’ve written a lot about Millennials not having much of a work ethic – especially for the hard jobs their parents and grandparents did a generation or two ago. And it’s not just the worst jobs that some young people are avoiding. It’s almost any job.

The unemployment rate for young Americans hovers at about 14 percent, compared to the national rate of 9.5 percent. Another 23 percent of young people are not even looking for a job, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But there’s another side to this coin. For those young people who do want to work, and those who went to college and perhaps even graduate school with the expectation that acquiring more education would automatically lead to a good job, many don’t believe in the concept of paying their dues. They tell reporters and survey-takers that they want to be assured they won’t spin their wheels in a dead-end job.

Life offers no such assurances. And besides, dues-paying worked pretty well for earlier generations, who seemed to have more respect for the concept of work in general. You took a job even if it wasn’t your ideal job with the hopes that other opportunities would open up and you’d move on. For the young worker of the 20th century, any kind of job was considered valuable, if nothing else because it provided a way of becoming self-sufficient and moving out of your parents’ home.

Today, with many Millennials not willing to work their way up and holding out for their dream job, even if it means turning down what earlier generations would have considered good offers of other employment, it’s no wonder that more and more 20-somethings are still living with mom and dad. The Pew Research Center found that in 2008, when the recession began, the percentage of the population that lived in households where at least two generations were present inched upward to 16 percent. In good times, that figure might be as low as 12 percent.

The stay-at-home youths include 24-year-old Scott Nicholson, who was the subject of a recent article in The New York Times. The unemployed college graduate lives with his parents in Grafton, Mass., while searching web sites for corporate job openings and sending out resumes for those he finds acceptable. After a host of interviews, he was recently offered a job as an associate claims adjuster for an insurance company. The position paid $40,000 a year, more than enough to get him out on his own. Nicholson turned the job down, preferring to hold out for the corporate position he really wanted – one that would give him an opportunity for career advancement.

It’s difficult to feel sorry for someone who, just out of college, turns down a starting job that pays $40,000 a year to wait around for something better. And I wonder how many other young Americans out there are making similar choices.

Now that the Congress has approved a bill to extend unemployment benefits, the mainstream media are churning out stories intended to make unemployed Americans look helpless and sympathetic. Some of them are both. But some are neither.

[meadandale]

Timely commentary by Ruben Navarrette…

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/25/staying-home-and-holding-out/

A few years ago, before the current recession took hold, I was speaking to a group of high school students and wound up being given a pop quiz.

I assured my audience that by setting high goals, working hard, making sacrifices and never giving up, they could be successful. One student quickly raised his hand and asked for my definition of success. I told him it went beyond material wealth to doing something you love and find fulfilling, but still gives you enough economic sustenance to prevent you from abandoning ship and moving on to something else. The student smiled and gave me an enthusiastic thumbs-up.

I think about that encounter whenever I interview an academic who has studied the work habits and job preferences of so-called Millennials, ages 18 to 29. Or when I read about surveys of young people who put job satisfaction before concerns about salary or security. And I wonder if my answer did more harm than good.

In the context of the immigration debate, I’ve written a lot about Millennials not having much of a work ethic – especially for the hard jobs their parents and grandparents did a generation or two ago. And it’s not just the worst jobs that some young people are avoiding. It’s almost any job.

The unemployment rate for young Americans hovers at about 14 percent, compared to the national rate of 9.5 percent. Another 23 percent of young people are not even looking for a job, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But there’s another side to this coin. For those young people who do want to work, and those who went to college and perhaps even graduate school with the expectation that acquiring more education would automatically lead to a good job, many don’t believe in the concept of paying their dues. They tell reporters and survey-takers that they want to be assured they won’t spin their wheels in a dead-end job.

Life offers no such assurances. And besides, dues-paying worked pretty well for earlier generations, who seemed to have more respect for the concept of work in general. You took a job even if it wasn’t your ideal job with the hopes that other opportunities would open up and you’d move on. For the young worker of the 20th century, any kind of job was considered valuable, if nothing else because it provided a way of becoming self-sufficient and moving out of your parents’ home.

Today, with many Millennials not willing to work their way up and holding out for their dream job, even if it means turning down what earlier generations would have considered good offers of other employment, it’s no wonder that more and more 20-somethings are still living with mom and dad. The Pew Research Center found that in 2008, when the recession began, the percentage of the population that lived in households where at least two generations were present inched upward to 16 percent. In good times, that figure might be as low as 12 percent.

The stay-at-home youths include 24-year-old Scott Nicholson, who was the subject of a recent article in The New York Times. The unemployed college graduate lives with his parents in Grafton, Mass., while searching web sites for corporate job openings and sending out resumes for those he finds acceptable. After a host of interviews, he was recently offered a job as an associate claims adjuster for an insurance company. The position paid $40,000 a year, more than enough to get him out on his own. Nicholson turned the job down, preferring to hold out for the corporate position he really wanted – one that would give him an opportunity for career advancement.

It’s difficult to feel sorry for someone who, just out of college, turns down a starting job that pays $40,000 a year to wait around for something better. And I wonder how many other young Americans out there are making similar choices.

Now that the Congress has approved a bill to extend unemployment benefits, the mainstream media are churning out stories intended to make unemployed Americans look helpless and sympathetic. Some of them are both. But some are neither.

[meadandale]

Timely commentary by Ruben Navarrette…

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/25/staying-home-and-holding-out/

A few years ago, before the current recession took hold, I was speaking to a group of high school students and wound up being given a pop quiz.

I assured my audience that by setting high goals, working hard, making sacrifices and never giving up, they could be successful. One student quickly raised his hand and asked for my definition of success. I told him it went beyond material wealth to doing something you love and find fulfilling, but still gives you enough economic sustenance to prevent you from abandoning ship and moving on to something else. The student smiled and gave me an enthusiastic thumbs-up.

I think about that encounter whenever I interview an academic who has studied the work habits and job preferences of so-called Millennials, ages 18 to 29. Or when I read about surveys of young people who put job satisfaction before concerns about salary or security. And I wonder if my answer did more harm than good.

In the context of the immigration debate, I’ve written a lot about Millennials not having much of a work ethic – especially for the hard jobs their parents and grandparents did a generation or two ago. And it’s not just the worst jobs that some young people are avoiding. It’s almost any job.

The unemployment rate for young Americans hovers at about 14 percent, compared to the national rate of 9.5 percent. Another 23 percent of young people are not even looking for a job, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But there’s another side to this coin. For those young people who do want to work, and those who went to college and perhaps even graduate school with the expectation that acquiring more education would automatically lead to a good job, many don’t believe in the concept of paying their dues. They tell reporters and survey-takers that they want to be assured they won’t spin their wheels in a dead-end job.

Life offers no such assurances. And besides, dues-paying worked pretty well for earlier generations, who seemed to have more respect for the concept of work in general. You took a job even if it wasn’t your ideal job with the hopes that other opportunities would open up and you’d move on. For the young worker of the 20th century, any kind of job was considered valuable, if nothing else because it provided a way of becoming self-sufficient and moving out of your parents’ home.

Today, with many Millennials not willing to work their way up and holding out for their dream job, even if it means turning down what earlier generations would have considered good offers of other employment, it’s no wonder that more and more 20-somethings are still living with mom and dad. The Pew Research Center found that in 2008, when the recession began, the percentage of the population that lived in households where at least two generations were present inched upward to 16 percent. In good times, that figure might be as low as 12 percent.

The stay-at-home youths include 24-year-old Scott Nicholson, who was the subject of a recent article in The New York Times. The unemployed college graduate lives with his parents in Grafton, Mass., while searching web sites for corporate job openings and sending out resumes for those he finds acceptable. After a host of interviews, he was recently offered a job as an associate claims adjuster for an insurance company. The position paid $40,000 a year, more than enough to get him out on his own. Nicholson turned the job down, preferring to hold out for the corporate position he really wanted – one that would give him an opportunity for career advancement.

It’s difficult to feel sorry for someone who, just out of college, turns down a starting job that pays $40,000 a year to wait around for something better. And I wonder how many other young Americans out there are making similar choices.

Now that the Congress has approved a bill to extend unemployment benefits, the mainstream media are churning out stories intended to make unemployed Americans look helpless and sympathetic. Some of them are both. But some are neither.

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=meadandale] . . . The sad thing is that her half sister just graduated from high school and has NEVER worked. She has no driver’s license, no money, no work experience and both her parent’s are basically broke as well–yet she wants to go to community college. How she’ll pay for it is anyone’s guess She hasn’t even been forced (like all my brother’s and sisters as well as me were) to do chores around the house so she hasn’t even a glimmer of anything resembling a work ethic.[/quote](emphasis added)

meadandale, her half-sister may be able to qualify for assistance or attend CC free. If she can’t get a grant, her student loans won’t be that much. As a CC student, she will qualify for a $32 mo bus pass (the same as K-12).

If you have any influence over her, please try to talk her into an ROP program she is interested in so she can get REAL WORK ASAP. This is just my .02.[/quote]

By broke I mean they have no money in the bank. Both of them make decent money–combined income is probably over $75k.

Yeah…bus pass. It’s a 45 min drive over the hill to SB from the SY valley. They have a free commuter shuttle that she could take but she’d have to be and on the bus at 6am. I don’t think she has gotten up before noon in years. Don’t really see that happening…

I’ve told my brother she needs to get her sh** together for years. He’s tried to tell her too and his wife tells him to STFU, it’s none of his business. Go figure…

She could probably get grants but that would mean that she would actually have to get off her butt and apply for them. It took someone to drag her down at the last minute to get her application in so she could even GO to school this year.

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