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LuckyInOC
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes][quote=flinger]Clearly, esmith and Mark Holmes are white people:
#75 Threatening to Move to Canada[/quote]
Hilarious. And yes, I am white… and wouldn’t really move to Canada. I love the US too much, and it’s too ingrained in my identity, having descended from pre-Civil War Irish-English stock, but you get my point. I’m tired of semi-literate bible-thumpers running the country into the ground.[/quote]
Those bible-thumpers aren’t running California, then how do you explain California?
If Obama wins it would be California gone national…
Lucky In OC
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes][quote=flinger]Clearly, esmith and Mark Holmes are white people:
#75 Threatening to Move to Canada[/quote]
Hilarious. And yes, I am white… and wouldn’t really move to Canada. I love the US too much, and it’s too ingrained in my identity, having descended from pre-Civil War Irish-English stock, but you get my point. I’m tired of semi-literate bible-thumpers running the country into the ground.[/quote]
Those bible-thumpers aren’t running California, then how do you explain California?
If Obama wins it would be California gone national…
Lucky In OC
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes][quote=flinger]Clearly, esmith and Mark Holmes are white people:
#75 Threatening to Move to Canada[/quote]
Hilarious. And yes, I am white… and wouldn’t really move to Canada. I love the US too much, and it’s too ingrained in my identity, having descended from pre-Civil War Irish-English stock, but you get my point. I’m tired of semi-literate bible-thumpers running the country into the ground.[/quote]
Those bible-thumpers aren’t running California, then how do you explain California?
If Obama wins it would be California gone national…
Lucky In OC
Participant[quote=Mark Holmes][quote=flinger]Clearly, esmith and Mark Holmes are white people:
#75 Threatening to Move to Canada[/quote]
Hilarious. And yes, I am white… and wouldn’t really move to Canada. I love the US too much, and it’s too ingrained in my identity, having descended from pre-Civil War Irish-English stock, but you get my point. I’m tired of semi-literate bible-thumpers running the country into the ground.[/quote]
Those bible-thumpers aren’t running California, then how do you explain California?
If Obama wins it would be California gone national…
Lucky In OC
July 31, 2008 at 5:43 AM in reply to: Off Topic: U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S. #249600ParticipantBubba99,
Is this your opinion or can you state your source of information that we (United States) “gave Israel the bomb and HEU”.
[quote=bubba99]It is interesting that the U.S. who was the first to transfer nuclear technology to the mid-east, and even Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) to the mid-east is the loudest protester of Iran developing its own nuclear capability.
We gave Israel the bomb and HEU, Pakistan, and India have developed their own nuclear bombs. Where the hell are the UN inspectors when it comes to Israel? Why is a theocracy in Israel any less of a danger to the world than one in Iran. [/quote]
One of my sources shows otherwise:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200603130011
‘It has been known for some time that the French helped build Israel’s reactor and reprocessing plant at Dimona, but over the past year our research team at BBC Newsnight has unearthed something no less astonishing and much closer to home – top-secret files which show how Britain helped Israel get the atomic bomb.’
Got to love those French…
‘Britain also sold Israel a whole range of other exotic chemicals, including uranium-235, beryllium and lithium-6, which are used in atom bombs and even hydrogen bombs. And in Harold Macmillan’s time we supplied the heavy water that allowed Israel to start up its own plutonium production facility at Dimona – heavy water that British intelligence estimated would enable Israel to make “six nuclear weapons a year”.’
The other problem … If it was the US that gave Israel ‘the bomb’ then it happened on JFK’s and LBJ’s watch.
‘The Kennedy and Johnson administrations fashioned a complex scheme of annual visits to Dimona to ensure that Israel would not develop nuclear weapons. But the Israelis were adept at concealing their activities. By late 1966, Israel had reached the nuclear threshold, although it decided not to conduct an atomic test’
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘French experts secretly built the Israeli reactor underground at Dimona, in the Negev desert of southern Israel near Beersheba.’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801326_pf.html
‘There was another problem: the Americans. There was no US-Israeli alliance in those days and Washington was determined to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation. If Britain told the Americans about the Israeli deal they would stop it. Donald Cape decided on discretion: “I would rather not tell the Americans.” When Newsnight told Robert McNamara – John F Kennedy’s defence secretary – about this he was amazed. “The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise, but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me,” he said.’
Israel working with the French conducted nuclear tests together:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘One common discussion in the literature concerns testing of Israeli nuclear devices. In the early phases, the amount of collaboration between the French and Israeli nuclear weapons design programs made testing unnecessary. In addition, although their main efforts were with plutonium, the Israelis may have amassed enough uranium for gun-assembled type bombs which, like the Hiroshima bomb, require no testing. One expert postulated, based on unnamed sources, that the French nuclear test in 1960 made two nuclear powers not one—such was the depth of collaboration.25 There were several Israeli observers at the French nuclear tests and the Israelis had “unrestricted access to French nuclear test explosion data.”26 Israel also supplied essential technology and hardware.27 The French reportedly shipped reprocessed plutonium back to Israel as part of their repayment for Israeli scientific help.’
Because of the Arms Race and Cold War with USSR, US did not want any proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for any other countries. Did you ever learn about the ‘Cuba Missile Crisis’?
Please provide me with your sources…
Just to let everyone know, I try to be neutral about issues with Israel. There were/are good and bad US policies in regards to Israel.
My guess is the French were involved with Pakistan and India getting the ‘Bomb’. I’ll will research that next…
Lucky In OC
July 31, 2008 at 5:43 AM in reply to: Off Topic: U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S. #249756ParticipantBubba99,
Is this your opinion or can you state your source of information that we (United States) “gave Israel the bomb and HEU”.
[quote=bubba99]It is interesting that the U.S. who was the first to transfer nuclear technology to the mid-east, and even Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) to the mid-east is the loudest protester of Iran developing its own nuclear capability.
We gave Israel the bomb and HEU, Pakistan, and India have developed their own nuclear bombs. Where the hell are the UN inspectors when it comes to Israel? Why is a theocracy in Israel any less of a danger to the world than one in Iran. [/quote]
One of my sources shows otherwise:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200603130011
‘It has been known for some time that the French helped build Israel’s reactor and reprocessing plant at Dimona, but over the past year our research team at BBC Newsnight has unearthed something no less astonishing and much closer to home – top-secret files which show how Britain helped Israel get the atomic bomb.’
Got to love those French…
‘Britain also sold Israel a whole range of other exotic chemicals, including uranium-235, beryllium and lithium-6, which are used in atom bombs and even hydrogen bombs. And in Harold Macmillan’s time we supplied the heavy water that allowed Israel to start up its own plutonium production facility at Dimona – heavy water that British intelligence estimated would enable Israel to make “six nuclear weapons a year”.’
The other problem … If it was the US that gave Israel ‘the bomb’ then it happened on JFK’s and LBJ’s watch.
‘The Kennedy and Johnson administrations fashioned a complex scheme of annual visits to Dimona to ensure that Israel would not develop nuclear weapons. But the Israelis were adept at concealing their activities. By late 1966, Israel had reached the nuclear threshold, although it decided not to conduct an atomic test’
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘French experts secretly built the Israeli reactor underground at Dimona, in the Negev desert of southern Israel near Beersheba.’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801326_pf.html
‘There was another problem: the Americans. There was no US-Israeli alliance in those days and Washington was determined to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation. If Britain told the Americans about the Israeli deal they would stop it. Donald Cape decided on discretion: “I would rather not tell the Americans.” When Newsnight told Robert McNamara – John F Kennedy’s defence secretary – about this he was amazed. “The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise, but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me,” he said.’
Israel working with the French conducted nuclear tests together:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘One common discussion in the literature concerns testing of Israeli nuclear devices. In the early phases, the amount of collaboration between the French and Israeli nuclear weapons design programs made testing unnecessary. In addition, although their main efforts were with plutonium, the Israelis may have amassed enough uranium for gun-assembled type bombs which, like the Hiroshima bomb, require no testing. One expert postulated, based on unnamed sources, that the French nuclear test in 1960 made two nuclear powers not one—such was the depth of collaboration.25 There were several Israeli observers at the French nuclear tests and the Israelis had “unrestricted access to French nuclear test explosion data.”26 Israel also supplied essential technology and hardware.27 The French reportedly shipped reprocessed plutonium back to Israel as part of their repayment for Israeli scientific help.’
Because of the Arms Race and Cold War with USSR, US did not want any proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for any other countries. Did you ever learn about the ‘Cuba Missile Crisis’?
Please provide me with your sources…
Just to let everyone know, I try to be neutral about issues with Israel. There were/are good and bad US policies in regards to Israel.
My guess is the French were involved with Pakistan and India getting the ‘Bomb’. I’ll will research that next…
Lucky In OC
July 31, 2008 at 5:43 AM in reply to: Off Topic: U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S. #249763ParticipantBubba99,
Is this your opinion or can you state your source of information that we (United States) “gave Israel the bomb and HEU”.
[quote=bubba99]It is interesting that the U.S. who was the first to transfer nuclear technology to the mid-east, and even Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) to the mid-east is the loudest protester of Iran developing its own nuclear capability.
We gave Israel the bomb and HEU, Pakistan, and India have developed their own nuclear bombs. Where the hell are the UN inspectors when it comes to Israel? Why is a theocracy in Israel any less of a danger to the world than one in Iran. [/quote]
One of my sources shows otherwise:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200603130011
‘It has been known for some time that the French helped build Israel’s reactor and reprocessing plant at Dimona, but over the past year our research team at BBC Newsnight has unearthed something no less astonishing and much closer to home – top-secret files which show how Britain helped Israel get the atomic bomb.’
Got to love those French…
‘Britain also sold Israel a whole range of other exotic chemicals, including uranium-235, beryllium and lithium-6, which are used in atom bombs and even hydrogen bombs. And in Harold Macmillan’s time we supplied the heavy water that allowed Israel to start up its own plutonium production facility at Dimona – heavy water that British intelligence estimated would enable Israel to make “six nuclear weapons a year”.’
The other problem … If it was the US that gave Israel ‘the bomb’ then it happened on JFK’s and LBJ’s watch.
‘The Kennedy and Johnson administrations fashioned a complex scheme of annual visits to Dimona to ensure that Israel would not develop nuclear weapons. But the Israelis were adept at concealing their activities. By late 1966, Israel had reached the nuclear threshold, although it decided not to conduct an atomic test’
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘French experts secretly built the Israeli reactor underground at Dimona, in the Negev desert of southern Israel near Beersheba.’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801326_pf.html
‘There was another problem: the Americans. There was no US-Israeli alliance in those days and Washington was determined to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation. If Britain told the Americans about the Israeli deal they would stop it. Donald Cape decided on discretion: “I would rather not tell the Americans.” When Newsnight told Robert McNamara – John F Kennedy’s defence secretary – about this he was amazed. “The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise, but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me,” he said.’
Israel working with the French conducted nuclear tests together:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘One common discussion in the literature concerns testing of Israeli nuclear devices. In the early phases, the amount of collaboration between the French and Israeli nuclear weapons design programs made testing unnecessary. In addition, although their main efforts were with plutonium, the Israelis may have amassed enough uranium for gun-assembled type bombs which, like the Hiroshima bomb, require no testing. One expert postulated, based on unnamed sources, that the French nuclear test in 1960 made two nuclear powers not one—such was the depth of collaboration.25 There were several Israeli observers at the French nuclear tests and the Israelis had “unrestricted access to French nuclear test explosion data.”26 Israel also supplied essential technology and hardware.27 The French reportedly shipped reprocessed plutonium back to Israel as part of their repayment for Israeli scientific help.’
Because of the Arms Race and Cold War with USSR, US did not want any proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for any other countries. Did you ever learn about the ‘Cuba Missile Crisis’?
Please provide me with your sources…
Just to let everyone know, I try to be neutral about issues with Israel. There were/are good and bad US policies in regards to Israel.
My guess is the French were involved with Pakistan and India getting the ‘Bomb’. I’ll will research that next…
Lucky In OC
July 31, 2008 at 5:43 AM in reply to: Off Topic: U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S. #249822ParticipantBubba99,
Is this your opinion or can you state your source of information that we (United States) “gave Israel the bomb and HEU”.
[quote=bubba99]It is interesting that the U.S. who was the first to transfer nuclear technology to the mid-east, and even Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) to the mid-east is the loudest protester of Iran developing its own nuclear capability.
We gave Israel the bomb and HEU, Pakistan, and India have developed their own nuclear bombs. Where the hell are the UN inspectors when it comes to Israel? Why is a theocracy in Israel any less of a danger to the world than one in Iran. [/quote]
One of my sources shows otherwise:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200603130011
‘It has been known for some time that the French helped build Israel’s reactor and reprocessing plant at Dimona, but over the past year our research team at BBC Newsnight has unearthed something no less astonishing and much closer to home – top-secret files which show how Britain helped Israel get the atomic bomb.’
Got to love those French…
‘Britain also sold Israel a whole range of other exotic chemicals, including uranium-235, beryllium and lithium-6, which are used in atom bombs and even hydrogen bombs. And in Harold Macmillan’s time we supplied the heavy water that allowed Israel to start up its own plutonium production facility at Dimona – heavy water that British intelligence estimated would enable Israel to make “six nuclear weapons a year”.’
The other problem … If it was the US that gave Israel ‘the bomb’ then it happened on JFK’s and LBJ’s watch.
‘The Kennedy and Johnson administrations fashioned a complex scheme of annual visits to Dimona to ensure that Israel would not develop nuclear weapons. But the Israelis were adept at concealing their activities. By late 1966, Israel had reached the nuclear threshold, although it decided not to conduct an atomic test’
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘French experts secretly built the Israeli reactor underground at Dimona, in the Negev desert of southern Israel near Beersheba.’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801326_pf.html
‘There was another problem: the Americans. There was no US-Israeli alliance in those days and Washington was determined to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation. If Britain told the Americans about the Israeli deal they would stop it. Donald Cape decided on discretion: “I would rather not tell the Americans.” When Newsnight told Robert McNamara – John F Kennedy’s defence secretary – about this he was amazed. “The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise, but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me,” he said.’
Israel working with the French conducted nuclear tests together:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘One common discussion in the literature concerns testing of Israeli nuclear devices. In the early phases, the amount of collaboration between the French and Israeli nuclear weapons design programs made testing unnecessary. In addition, although their main efforts were with plutonium, the Israelis may have amassed enough uranium for gun-assembled type bombs which, like the Hiroshima bomb, require no testing. One expert postulated, based on unnamed sources, that the French nuclear test in 1960 made two nuclear powers not one—such was the depth of collaboration.25 There were several Israeli observers at the French nuclear tests and the Israelis had “unrestricted access to French nuclear test explosion data.”26 Israel also supplied essential technology and hardware.27 The French reportedly shipped reprocessed plutonium back to Israel as part of their repayment for Israeli scientific help.’
Because of the Arms Race and Cold War with USSR, US did not want any proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for any other countries. Did you ever learn about the ‘Cuba Missile Crisis’?
Please provide me with your sources…
Just to let everyone know, I try to be neutral about issues with Israel. There were/are good and bad US policies in regards to Israel.
My guess is the French were involved with Pakistan and India getting the ‘Bomb’. I’ll will research that next…
Lucky In OC
July 31, 2008 at 5:43 AM in reply to: Off Topic: U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S. #249830ParticipantBubba99,
Is this your opinion or can you state your source of information that we (United States) “gave Israel the bomb and HEU”.
[quote=bubba99]It is interesting that the U.S. who was the first to transfer nuclear technology to the mid-east, and even Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) to the mid-east is the loudest protester of Iran developing its own nuclear capability.
We gave Israel the bomb and HEU, Pakistan, and India have developed their own nuclear bombs. Where the hell are the UN inspectors when it comes to Israel? Why is a theocracy in Israel any less of a danger to the world than one in Iran. [/quote]
One of my sources shows otherwise:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200603130011
‘It has been known for some time that the French helped build Israel’s reactor and reprocessing plant at Dimona, but over the past year our research team at BBC Newsnight has unearthed something no less astonishing and much closer to home – top-secret files which show how Britain helped Israel get the atomic bomb.’
Got to love those French…
‘Britain also sold Israel a whole range of other exotic chemicals, including uranium-235, beryllium and lithium-6, which are used in atom bombs and even hydrogen bombs. And in Harold Macmillan’s time we supplied the heavy water that allowed Israel to start up its own plutonium production facility at Dimona – heavy water that British intelligence estimated would enable Israel to make “six nuclear weapons a year”.’
The other problem … If it was the US that gave Israel ‘the bomb’ then it happened on JFK’s and LBJ’s watch.
‘The Kennedy and Johnson administrations fashioned a complex scheme of annual visits to Dimona to ensure that Israel would not develop nuclear weapons. But the Israelis were adept at concealing their activities. By late 1966, Israel had reached the nuclear threshold, although it decided not to conduct an atomic test’
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘French experts secretly built the Israeli reactor underground at Dimona, in the Negev desert of southern Israel near Beersheba.’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801326_pf.html
‘There was another problem: the Americans. There was no US-Israeli alliance in those days and Washington was determined to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation. If Britain told the Americans about the Israeli deal they would stop it. Donald Cape decided on discretion: “I would rather not tell the Americans.” When Newsnight told Robert McNamara – John F Kennedy’s defence secretary – about this he was amazed. “The fact Israel was trying to develop a nuclear bomb should not have come as a surprise, but that Britain should have supplied it with heavy water was indeed a surprise to me,” he said.’
Israel working with the French conducted nuclear tests together:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
‘One common discussion in the literature concerns testing of Israeli nuclear devices. In the early phases, the amount of collaboration between the French and Israeli nuclear weapons design programs made testing unnecessary. In addition, although their main efforts were with plutonium, the Israelis may have amassed enough uranium for gun-assembled type bombs which, like the Hiroshima bomb, require no testing. One expert postulated, based on unnamed sources, that the French nuclear test in 1960 made two nuclear powers not one—such was the depth of collaboration.25 There were several Israeli observers at the French nuclear tests and the Israelis had “unrestricted access to French nuclear test explosion data.”26 Israel also supplied essential technology and hardware.27 The French reportedly shipped reprocessed plutonium back to Israel as part of their repayment for Israeli scientific help.’
Because of the Arms Race and Cold War with USSR, US did not want any proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for any other countries. Did you ever learn about the ‘Cuba Missile Crisis’?
Please provide me with your sources…
Just to let everyone know, I try to be neutral about issues with Israel. There were/are good and bad US policies in regards to Israel.
My guess is the French were involved with Pakistan and India getting the ‘Bomb’. I’ll will research that next…
Lucky In OC
ParticipantThis is how OC solves its water problem..
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/02/local/me-reclaim2
Amaizingly good article from LA Times…
Lucky In OC
ParticipantThis is how OC solves its water problem..
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/02/local/me-reclaim2
Amaizingly good article from LA Times…
Lucky In OC
ParticipantThis is how OC solves its water problem..
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/02/local/me-reclaim2
Amaizingly good article from LA Times…
Lucky In OC
ParticipantThis is how OC solves its water problem..
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/02/local/me-reclaim2
Amaizingly good article from LA Times…
Lucky In OC
ParticipantThis is how OC solves its water problem..
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/02/local/me-reclaim2
Amaizingly good article from LA Times…
Lucky In OC
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