[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=jficquette]Urban,

Factcheck is lying.

John[/quote]
And newsmax is part of this conspiracy?

Factcheck was cited by cheney in the last election as backup for his cause.

Is snopes part the conspiracy?

Do you have solid evidence of some kind?[/quote]

Hawaii says that they have never released a certified copy of the orginal so how could the one of the web site be real?

If you really are interested then go to you tube. There are several videos of the analysis of the fake BC but is unneccessary at this point because Hawaii says they have never issued one.

John

[/quote]

I think you are confused. In Hawaii, you do not get a copy of the original birth certificate. You get a Certificate of Live Birth (CoLB) – which is an abbreviated extract of the original BC. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has indicated that they do not issue copies of the original BC. My experience in Hawaii has proven this to be true.

If you request a copy of your Hawaii BC, all you get is that sorry green CoLB, like the one that was examined by factcheck, snopes, etc… I believe they would let me see the original, but they would not allow me to make a copy of it.

So it IS absolutely possible that Hawaii has never released a copy of the original – because the original is a BC – and they do not release BCs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

So Hawaii state officials have stated that Obama’s CoLB is authentic and the information on it is valid and true and was extracted from the original held in their archives.

What more do you need? Wait – I’ll answer that because I happen to know what you are looking for.

You want to see the word “Muslim” printed on his BC. (Which it is.. Obama’s father was a Muslim – and they do ask for that information in Hawaii.) The CoLB doesn’t give you much ammo to work with – so you want the Original – which in your mind connects Obama with Islam, once and for all.

I also see this as trampling on the 4th Amendment. The CoLB is and has always been accepted within every US governmental agency as valid proof of US birth. (I obtained a US passport using a hawaii CoLB.)

For the purpose of qualifying for the Presidency, the CoLB is sufficient, as it states the location of birth. To ask for additional, non-necessary information is an invasion of privacy. No, you don’t need to know the name of the hospital, or the OB-Gyn who delivered Obama. That is completely irrelevant to the accusation.

In other words, we don’t need to know anything other than the date and location of his birth – and that’s printed on the CoLB. And the State has verfied that he was indeed born in Honolulu, as stated on his CoLB.

If you have evidence that he was born elsewhere, now is the time to bring it to light. Because as of now – nothing has been presented to prove otherwise.

Someone else said the green form looked too new to be real – again I answer by saying that the green form is generated when the request for a copy is made. It is not photocopied. It is not filled out on the spot and then printed. It is generated from information in their database.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=jficquette]Urban,

Factcheck is lying.

John[/quote]
And newsmax is part of this conspiracy?

Factcheck was cited by cheney in the last election as backup for his cause.

Is snopes part the conspiracy?

Do you have solid evidence of some kind?[/quote]

Hawaii says that they have never released a certified copy of the orginal so how could the one of the web site be real?

If you really are interested then go to you tube. There are several videos of the analysis of the fake BC but is unneccessary at this point because Hawaii says they have never issued one.

John

[/quote]

I think you are confused. In Hawaii, you do not get a copy of the original birth certificate. You get a Certificate of Live Birth (CoLB) – which is an abbreviated extract of the original BC. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has indicated that they do not issue copies of the original BC. My experience in Hawaii has proven this to be true.

If you request a copy of your Hawaii BC, all you get is that sorry green CoLB, like the one that was examined by factcheck, snopes, etc… I believe they would let me see the original, but they would not allow me to make a copy of it.

So it IS absolutely possible that Hawaii has never released a copy of the original – because the original is a BC – and they do not release BCs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

So Hawaii state officials have stated that Obama’s CoLB is authentic and the information on it is valid and true and was extracted from the original held in their archives.

What more do you need? Wait – I’ll answer that because I happen to know what you are looking for.

You want to see the word “Muslim” printed on his BC. (Which it is.. Obama’s father was a Muslim – and they do ask for that information in Hawaii.) The CoLB doesn’t give you much ammo to work with – so you want the Original – which in your mind connects Obama with Islam, once and for all.

I also see this as trampling on the 4th Amendment. The CoLB is and has always been accepted within every US governmental agency as valid proof of US birth. (I obtained a US passport using a hawaii CoLB.)

For the purpose of qualifying for the Presidency, the CoLB is sufficient, as it states the location of birth. To ask for additional, non-necessary information is an invasion of privacy. No, you don’t need to know the name of the hospital, or the OB-Gyn who delivered Obama. That is completely irrelevant to the accusation.

In other words, we don’t need to know anything other than the date and location of his birth – and that’s printed on the CoLB. And the State has verfied that he was indeed born in Honolulu, as stated on his CoLB.

If you have evidence that he was born elsewhere, now is the time to bring it to light. Because as of now – nothing has been presented to prove otherwise.

Someone else said the green form looked too new to be real – again I answer by saying that the green form is generated when the request for a copy is made. It is not photocopied. It is not filled out on the spot and then printed. It is generated from information in their database.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=jficquette]Urban,

Factcheck is lying.

John[/quote]
And newsmax is part of this conspiracy?

Factcheck was cited by cheney in the last election as backup for his cause.

Is snopes part the conspiracy?

Do you have solid evidence of some kind?[/quote]

Hawaii says that they have never released a certified copy of the orginal so how could the one of the web site be real?

If you really are interested then go to you tube. There are several videos of the analysis of the fake BC but is unneccessary at this point because Hawaii says they have never issued one.

John

[/quote]

I think you are confused. In Hawaii, you do not get a copy of the original birth certificate. You get a Certificate of Live Birth (CoLB) – which is an abbreviated extract of the original BC. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has indicated that they do not issue copies of the original BC. My experience in Hawaii has proven this to be true.

If you request a copy of your Hawaii BC, all you get is that sorry green CoLB, like the one that was examined by factcheck, snopes, etc… I believe they would let me see the original, but they would not allow me to make a copy of it.

So it IS absolutely possible that Hawaii has never released a copy of the original – because the original is a BC – and they do not release BCs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

So Hawaii state officials have stated that Obama’s CoLB is authentic and the information on it is valid and true and was extracted from the original held in their archives.

What more do you need? Wait – I’ll answer that because I happen to know what you are looking for.

You want to see the word “Muslim” printed on his BC. (Which it is.. Obama’s father was a Muslim – and they do ask for that information in Hawaii.) The CoLB doesn’t give you much ammo to work with – so you want the Original – which in your mind connects Obama with Islam, once and for all.

I also see this as trampling on the 4th Amendment. The CoLB is and has always been accepted within every US governmental agency as valid proof of US birth. (I obtained a US passport using a hawaii CoLB.)

For the purpose of qualifying for the Presidency, the CoLB is sufficient, as it states the location of birth. To ask for additional, non-necessary information is an invasion of privacy. No, you don’t need to know the name of the hospital, or the OB-Gyn who delivered Obama. That is completely irrelevant to the accusation.

In other words, we don’t need to know anything other than the date and location of his birth – and that’s printed on the CoLB. And the State has verfied that he was indeed born in Honolulu, as stated on his CoLB.

If you have evidence that he was born elsewhere, now is the time to bring it to light. Because as of now – nothing has been presented to prove otherwise.

Someone else said the green form looked too new to be real – again I answer by saying that the green form is generated when the request for a copy is made. It is not photocopied. It is not filled out on the spot and then printed. It is generated from information in their database.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=jficquette]Urban,

Factcheck is lying.

John[/quote]
And newsmax is part of this conspiracy?

Factcheck was cited by cheney in the last election as backup for his cause.

Is snopes part the conspiracy?

Do you have solid evidence of some kind?[/quote]

Hawaii says that they have never released a certified copy of the orginal so how could the one of the web site be real?

If you really are interested then go to you tube. There are several videos of the analysis of the fake BC but is unneccessary at this point because Hawaii says they have never issued one.

John

[/quote]

I think you are confused. In Hawaii, you do not get a copy of the original birth certificate. You get a Certificate of Live Birth (CoLB) – which is an abbreviated extract of the original BC. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has indicated that they do not issue copies of the original BC. My experience in Hawaii has proven this to be true.

If you request a copy of your Hawaii BC, all you get is that sorry green CoLB, like the one that was examined by factcheck, snopes, etc… I believe they would let me see the original, but they would not allow me to make a copy of it.

So it IS absolutely possible that Hawaii has never released a copy of the original – because the original is a BC – and they do not release BCs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

So Hawaii state officials have stated that Obama’s CoLB is authentic and the information on it is valid and true and was extracted from the original held in their archives.

What more do you need? Wait – I’ll answer that because I happen to know what you are looking for.

You want to see the word “Muslim” printed on his BC. (Which it is.. Obama’s father was a Muslim – and they do ask for that information in Hawaii.) The CoLB doesn’t give you much ammo to work with – so you want the Original – which in your mind connects Obama with Islam, once and for all.

I also see this as trampling on the 4th Amendment. The CoLB is and has always been accepted within every US governmental agency as valid proof of US birth. (I obtained a US passport using a hawaii CoLB.)

For the purpose of qualifying for the Presidency, the CoLB is sufficient, as it states the location of birth. To ask for additional, non-necessary information is an invasion of privacy. No, you don’t need to know the name of the hospital, or the OB-Gyn who delivered Obama. That is completely irrelevant to the accusation.

In other words, we don’t need to know anything other than the date and location of his birth – and that’s printed on the CoLB. And the State has verfied that he was indeed born in Honolulu, as stated on his CoLB.

If you have evidence that he was born elsewhere, now is the time to bring it to light. Because as of now – nothing has been presented to prove otherwise.

Someone else said the green form looked too new to be real – again I answer by saying that the green form is generated when the request for a copy is made. It is not photocopied. It is not filled out on the spot and then printed. It is generated from information in their database.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=jficquette]Urban,

Factcheck is lying.

John[/quote]
And newsmax is part of this conspiracy?

Factcheck was cited by cheney in the last election as backup for his cause.

Is snopes part the conspiracy?

Do you have solid evidence of some kind?[/quote]

Hawaii says that they have never released a certified copy of the orginal so how could the one of the web site be real?

If you really are interested then go to you tube. There are several videos of the analysis of the fake BC but is unneccessary at this point because Hawaii says they have never issued one.

John

[/quote]

I think you are confused. In Hawaii, you do not get a copy of the original birth certificate. You get a Certificate of Live Birth (CoLB) – which is an abbreviated extract of the original BC. The Hawaii Dept. of Health has indicated that they do not issue copies of the original BC. My experience in Hawaii has proven this to be true.

If you request a copy of your Hawaii BC, all you get is that sorry green CoLB, like the one that was examined by factcheck, snopes, etc… I believe they would let me see the original, but they would not allow me to make a copy of it.

So it IS absolutely possible that Hawaii has never released a copy of the original – because the original is a BC – and they do not release BCs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00

So Hawaii state officials have stated that Obama’s CoLB is authentic and the information on it is valid and true and was extracted from the original held in their archives.

What more do you need? Wait – I’ll answer that because I happen to know what you are looking for.

You want to see the word “Muslim” printed on his BC. (Which it is.. Obama’s father was a Muslim – and they do ask for that information in Hawaii.) The CoLB doesn’t give you much ammo to work with – so you want the Original – which in your mind connects Obama with Islam, once and for all.

I also see this as trampling on the 4th Amendment. The CoLB is and has always been accepted within every US governmental agency as valid proof of US birth. (I obtained a US passport using a hawaii CoLB.)

For the purpose of qualifying for the Presidency, the CoLB is sufficient, as it states the location of birth. To ask for additional, non-necessary information is an invasion of privacy. No, you don’t need to know the name of the hospital, or the OB-Gyn who delivered Obama. That is completely irrelevant to the accusation.

In other words, we don’t need to know anything other than the date and location of his birth – and that’s printed on the CoLB. And the State has verfied that he was indeed born in Honolulu, as stated on his CoLB.

If you have evidence that he was born elsewhere, now is the time to bring it to light. Because as of now – nothing has been presented to prove otherwise.

Someone else said the green form looked too new to be real – again I answer by saying that the green form is generated when the request for a copy is made. It is not photocopied. It is not filled out on the spot and then printed. It is generated from information in their database.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Veritas]Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

“Barack Obama’s campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/obama-campaign-cuts-interviews-florida-tv-station/

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~[/quote]

I agree. In fact, I agreed when McCain threw Maureen Dowd (CNN) off his campaign plane.

But then I was reassured that this was not censorship because McCain was only standing up to bully reporters.

I’m so glad we will have Palin in office to discourage book burning!

Weee!

[Kilohana]

[quote=Veritas]Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

“Barack Obama’s campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/obama-campaign-cuts-interviews-florida-tv-station/

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~[/quote]

I agree. In fact, I agreed when McCain threw Maureen Dowd (CNN) off his campaign plane.

But then I was reassured that this was not censorship because McCain was only standing up to bully reporters.

I’m so glad we will have Palin in office to discourage book burning!

Weee!

[Kilohana]

[quote=Veritas]Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

“Barack Obama’s campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/obama-campaign-cuts-interviews-florida-tv-station/

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~[/quote]

I agree. In fact, I agreed when McCain threw Maureen Dowd (CNN) off his campaign plane.

But then I was reassured that this was not censorship because McCain was only standing up to bully reporters.

I’m so glad we will have Palin in office to discourage book burning!

Weee!

[Kilohana]

[quote=Veritas]Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

“Barack Obama’s campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/obama-campaign-cuts-interviews-florida-tv-station/

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~[/quote]

I agree. In fact, I agreed when McCain threw Maureen Dowd (CNN) off his campaign plane.

But then I was reassured that this was not censorship because McCain was only standing up to bully reporters.

I’m so glad we will have Palin in office to discourage book burning!

Weee!

[Kilohana]

[quote=Veritas]Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

“Barack Obama’s campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/obama-campaign-cuts-interviews-florida-tv-station/

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~[/quote]

I agree. In fact, I agreed when McCain threw Maureen Dowd (CNN) off his campaign plane.

But then I was reassured that this was not censorship because McCain was only standing up to bully reporters.

I’m so glad we will have Palin in office to discourage book burning!

Weee!

[Kilohana]

[quote=xironman]I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72299%5B/quote%5D

I’ve been reading this blog for years now and I’m terribly disappointed that this forum has devolved into a haven for the tinfoil hat brigade. Aren’t there already enough sites out there to cater to these gullible people? Accusations, taken as fact – completely absent of proof – has become widely accepted by these people. Since when did Guilty Until Proven Innocent become the norm?

Berg’s Obama Birth Certificate case has been dismissed by a judge.

“Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”

I guess they were against frivolous lawsuits before they were for them.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Obviously, character assaults on Judge Surrick have already begun.
Without a doubt, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal… It’s never over with these people.

Berg had not one shred of evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He also didn’t have proof that Obama was born anywhere else. Berg needs to stop wasting the taxpayers money and accept that an accusation is NOTHING without proof. At least that’s how I thought it was supposed to work in this country.

[Kilohana]

[quote=xironman]I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72299%5B/quote%5D

I’ve been reading this blog for years now and I’m terribly disappointed that this forum has devolved into a haven for the tinfoil hat brigade. Aren’t there already enough sites out there to cater to these gullible people? Accusations, taken as fact – completely absent of proof – has become widely accepted by these people. Since when did Guilty Until Proven Innocent become the norm?

Berg’s Obama Birth Certificate case has been dismissed by a judge.

“Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”

I guess they were against frivolous lawsuits before they were for them.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Obviously, character assaults on Judge Surrick have already begun.
Without a doubt, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal… It’s never over with these people.

Berg had not one shred of evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He also didn’t have proof that Obama was born anywhere else. Berg needs to stop wasting the taxpayers money and accept that an accusation is NOTHING without proof. At least that’s how I thought it was supposed to work in this country.

[Kilohana]

[quote=xironman]I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72299%5B/quote%5D

I’ve been reading this blog for years now and I’m terribly disappointed that this forum has devolved into a haven for the tinfoil hat brigade. Aren’t there already enough sites out there to cater to these gullible people? Accusations, taken as fact – completely absent of proof – has become widely accepted by these people. Since when did Guilty Until Proven Innocent become the norm?

Berg’s Obama Birth Certificate case has been dismissed by a judge.

“Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”

I guess they were against frivolous lawsuits before they were for them.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Obviously, character assaults on Judge Surrick have already begun.
Without a doubt, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal… It’s never over with these people.

Berg had not one shred of evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He also didn’t have proof that Obama was born anywhere else. Berg needs to stop wasting the taxpayers money and accept that an accusation is NOTHING without proof. At least that’s how I thought it was supposed to work in this country.

[Kilohana]

[quote=xironman]I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72299%5B/quote%5D

I’ve been reading this blog for years now and I’m terribly disappointed that this forum has devolved into a haven for the tinfoil hat brigade. Aren’t there already enough sites out there to cater to these gullible people? Accusations, taken as fact – completely absent of proof – has become widely accepted by these people. Since when did Guilty Until Proven Innocent become the norm?

Berg’s Obama Birth Certificate case has been dismissed by a judge.

“Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”

I guess they were against frivolous lawsuits before they were for them.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Obviously, character assaults on Judge Surrick have already begun.
Without a doubt, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal… It’s never over with these people.

Berg had not one shred of evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He also didn’t have proof that Obama was born anywhere else. Berg needs to stop wasting the taxpayers money and accept that an accusation is NOTHING without proof. At least that’s how I thought it was supposed to work in this country.

[Kilohana]

[quote=xironman]I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72299%5B/quote%5D

I’ve been reading this blog for years now and I’m terribly disappointed that this forum has devolved into a haven for the tinfoil hat brigade. Aren’t there already enough sites out there to cater to these gullible people? Accusations, taken as fact – completely absent of proof – has become widely accepted by these people. Since when did Guilty Until Proven Innocent become the norm?

Berg’s Obama Birth Certificate case has been dismissed by a judge.

“Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”

I guess they were against frivolous lawsuits before they were for them.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Obviously, character assaults on Judge Surrick have already begun.
Without a doubt, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal… It’s never over with these people.

Berg had not one shred of evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He also didn’t have proof that Obama was born anywhere else. Berg needs to stop wasting the taxpayers money and accept that an accusation is NOTHING without proof. At least that’s how I thought it was supposed to work in this country.

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