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[quote=Russell]

The alimony and child support doesn’t scare everybody to the same extent.

[/quote]

Oh, yeah, the old just-be-a-man-about-it argument.

Alimony and child support is not about being “scared”. It is about the real damage that divorce court does to men.

It is the same tactic used when women say that men are “afraid” of commitment. What nonsense. It is just a cheap-trick tactic designed to manipulate men into making a commitment even when it is a bad deal for them.

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[quote=scaredycat]the emotional damage to women from withholding child visits will exceed the damage to men; men will probably be able to extract greater financial concessions from women if they control the kids since women’s hormones will make the price of regular visitation (without bogus interruptions) higher. It will be difficult to truly get to gender fairness without taking into account intrinsic biological differences…[/quote]

Please note that nobody said anything about withholding visitations by the mother in the first place. You just pulled that one out of nowhere.

Now, you want to “take into account intrinsic biological differences” to achieve gender fairness?

Isn’t that what the problem is in the first place, when women are favored over men in divorce court?

Scaredycat, I’m a bit of a fan of some of your writings elsewhere, but I think you are wrong on this one.

[justme]

[quote=scaredycat]the emotional damage to women from withholding child visits will exceed the damage to men; men will probably be able to extract greater financial concessions from women if they control the kids since women’s hormones will make the price of regular visitation (without bogus interruptions) higher. It will be difficult to truly get to gender fairness without taking into account intrinsic biological differences…[/quote]

Please note that nobody said anything about withholding visitations by the mother in the first place. You just pulled that one out of nowhere.

Now, you want to “take into account intrinsic biological differences” to achieve gender fairness?

Isn’t that what the problem is in the first place, when women are favored over men in divorce court?

Scaredycat, I’m a bit of a fan of some of your writings elsewhere, but I think you are wrong on this one.

[justme]

[quote=scaredycat]the emotional damage to women from withholding child visits will exceed the damage to men; men will probably be able to extract greater financial concessions from women if they control the kids since women’s hormones will make the price of regular visitation (without bogus interruptions) higher. It will be difficult to truly get to gender fairness without taking into account intrinsic biological differences…[/quote]

Please note that nobody said anything about withholding visitations by the mother in the first place. You just pulled that one out of nowhere.

Now, you want to “take into account intrinsic biological differences” to achieve gender fairness?

Isn’t that what the problem is in the first place, when women are favored over men in divorce court?

Scaredycat, I’m a bit of a fan of some of your writings elsewhere, but I think you are wrong on this one.

[justme]

[quote=scaredycat]the emotional damage to women from withholding child visits will exceed the damage to men; men will probably be able to extract greater financial concessions from women if they control the kids since women’s hormones will make the price of regular visitation (without bogus interruptions) higher. It will be difficult to truly get to gender fairness without taking into account intrinsic biological differences…[/quote]

Please note that nobody said anything about withholding visitations by the mother in the first place. You just pulled that one out of nowhere.

Now, you want to “take into account intrinsic biological differences” to achieve gender fairness?

Isn’t that what the problem is in the first place, when women are favored over men in divorce court?

Scaredycat, I’m a bit of a fan of some of your writings elsewhere, but I think you are wrong on this one.

[justme]

[quote=scaredycat]the emotional damage to women from withholding child visits will exceed the damage to men; men will probably be able to extract greater financial concessions from women if they control the kids since women’s hormones will make the price of regular visitation (without bogus interruptions) higher. It will be difficult to truly get to gender fairness without taking into account intrinsic biological differences…[/quote]

Please note that nobody said anything about withholding visitations by the mother in the first place. You just pulled that one out of nowhere.

Now, you want to “take into account intrinsic biological differences” to achieve gender fairness?

Isn’t that what the problem is in the first place, when women are favored over men in divorce court?

Scaredycat, I’m a bit of a fan of some of your writings elsewhere, but I think you are wrong on this one.

[justme]

[quote=jonnycsd]

“>I am not sure why men put up with this,”

Easy answer – once you are married have kids, then if she leaves the guy looses his house, the car, the kids, plus pays all the bills including alimony, child support, insurance and more. He will be lucky if he can afford groceries.

[/quote]

There really is no reason for this situation to be the case, except that men got stupid or complacent and allowed women to take complete control the political process when it comes to family law. This ended up making married men little more than slaves.

You should pay attention to who you vote for, especially in primary election where the eventual winners get nominated. And don’t be retarded and think that voting republican will get you “old-fashioned family values”. Vote for someone progressive who favors gender fairness.

[justme]

[quote=jonnycsd]

“>I am not sure why men put up with this,”

Easy answer – once you are married have kids, then if she leaves the guy looses his house, the car, the kids, plus pays all the bills including alimony, child support, insurance and more. He will be lucky if he can afford groceries.

[/quote]

There really is no reason for this situation to be the case, except that men got stupid or complacent and allowed women to take complete control the political process when it comes to family law. This ended up making married men little more than slaves.

You should pay attention to who you vote for, especially in primary election where the eventual winners get nominated. And don’t be retarded and think that voting republican will get you “old-fashioned family values”. Vote for someone progressive who favors gender fairness.

[justme]

[quote=jonnycsd]

“>I am not sure why men put up with this,”

Easy answer – once you are married have kids, then if she leaves the guy looses his house, the car, the kids, plus pays all the bills including alimony, child support, insurance and more. He will be lucky if he can afford groceries.

[/quote]

There really is no reason for this situation to be the case, except that men got stupid or complacent and allowed women to take complete control the political process when it comes to family law. This ended up making married men little more than slaves.

You should pay attention to who you vote for, especially in primary election where the eventual winners get nominated. And don’t be retarded and think that voting republican will get you “old-fashioned family values”. Vote for someone progressive who favors gender fairness.

[justme]

[quote=jonnycsd]

“>I am not sure why men put up with this,”

Easy answer – once you are married have kids, then if she leaves the guy looses his house, the car, the kids, plus pays all the bills including alimony, child support, insurance and more. He will be lucky if he can afford groceries.

[/quote]

There really is no reason for this situation to be the case, except that men got stupid or complacent and allowed women to take complete control the political process when it comes to family law. This ended up making married men little more than slaves.

You should pay attention to who you vote for, especially in primary election where the eventual winners get nominated. And don’t be retarded and think that voting republican will get you “old-fashioned family values”. Vote for someone progressive who favors gender fairness.

[justme]

[quote=jonnycsd]

“>I am not sure why men put up with this,”

Easy answer – once you are married have kids, then if she leaves the guy looses his house, the car, the kids, plus pays all the bills including alimony, child support, insurance and more. He will be lucky if he can afford groceries.

[/quote]

There really is no reason for this situation to be the case, except that men got stupid or complacent and allowed women to take complete control the political process when it comes to family law. This ended up making married men little more than slaves.

You should pay attention to who you vote for, especially in primary election where the eventual winners get nominated. And don’t be retarded and think that voting republican will get you “old-fashioned family values”. Vote for someone progressive who favors gender fairness.

[justme]

[quote=TheBreeze][quote=CA renter]
In a society without marriage, and without any payment for the work women do (essentially, creating and bringing up the next generation of people), why would any woman have a child for a man? And if a woman did choose to have a child, there would be no reason to name that child after the sperm donor or to establish a relationship between the donor and her child, as the man would only be a hindrance to her independence and ability to find new mates or move for a career, etc.

Not sure why a man would think that’s some kind of utopia.[/quote]

Are you serious? Of all the married guys I know, only one actually got married with the desire to have kids. The rest did it because the woman wanted to.

Most of my married friends would gladly pay their wives to not have kids.

BTW, Brian, this is a great thread. Keep the words of wisdom coming.[/quote]

Getting married for any other reason than to create a framework for having children is insane. Why on earth could anyone be that stupid?

[justme]

[quote=TheBreeze][quote=CA renter]
In a society without marriage, and without any payment for the work women do (essentially, creating and bringing up the next generation of people), why would any woman have a child for a man? And if a woman did choose to have a child, there would be no reason to name that child after the sperm donor or to establish a relationship between the donor and her child, as the man would only be a hindrance to her independence and ability to find new mates or move for a career, etc.

Not sure why a man would think that’s some kind of utopia.[/quote]

Are you serious? Of all the married guys I know, only one actually got married with the desire to have kids. The rest did it because the woman wanted to.

Most of my married friends would gladly pay their wives to not have kids.

BTW, Brian, this is a great thread. Keep the words of wisdom coming.[/quote]

Getting married for any other reason than to create a framework for having children is insane. Why on earth could anyone be that stupid?

[justme]

[quote=TheBreeze][quote=CA renter]
In a society without marriage, and without any payment for the work women do (essentially, creating and bringing up the next generation of people), why would any woman have a child for a man? And if a woman did choose to have a child, there would be no reason to name that child after the sperm donor or to establish a relationship between the donor and her child, as the man would only be a hindrance to her independence and ability to find new mates or move for a career, etc.

Not sure why a man would think that’s some kind of utopia.[/quote]

Are you serious? Of all the married guys I know, only one actually got married with the desire to have kids. The rest did it because the woman wanted to.

Most of my married friends would gladly pay their wives to not have kids.

BTW, Brian, this is a great thread. Keep the words of wisdom coming.[/quote]

Getting married for any other reason than to create a framework for having children is insane. Why on earth could anyone be that stupid?

[justme]

[quote=TheBreeze][quote=CA renter]
In a society without marriage, and without any payment for the work women do (essentially, creating and bringing up the next generation of people), why would any woman have a child for a man? And if a woman did choose to have a child, there would be no reason to name that child after the sperm donor or to establish a relationship between the donor and her child, as the man would only be a hindrance to her independence and ability to find new mates or move for a career, etc.

Not sure why a man would think that’s some kind of utopia.[/quote]

Are you serious? Of all the married guys I know, only one actually got married with the desire to have kids. The rest did it because the woman wanted to.

Most of my married friends would gladly pay their wives to not have kids.

BTW, Brian, this is a great thread. Keep the words of wisdom coming.[/quote]

Getting married for any other reason than to create a framework for having children is insane. Why on earth could anyone be that stupid?

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