[gandalf]

Things have veered too far to the right in this country, and the majority is in the process of reasserting control, taking issues back to center. Enough is enough.

SDR: I appreciate your comments. You’re one of the posters I respect, knowledgeable comments and you conduct yourself well. I apologize if I’m a bit abrasive from time to time.

I completely support a flat tax as a percentage of change in wealth with ZERO avoidance.

I have no idea how to get there given the accounting games and utter alchemy introduced into our financial system in the past 30 years. Nor do I have much confidence in the political will of congress and our states to institute reform.

What I object to on this board and elsewhere, and I suspect the majority of people in this country object to, is this steady right-wing drumbeat of propoganda, and in this particular case suggesting that any change to tax policy is socialism.

Across the board — federal and state governments, counties, municipalities, institutions, agencies, corporations — we are on the brink of insolvency, if not outright bankruptcy. The economic issues, currency failure, has become a national security matter now.

You simply CANNOT have government, roads, sewers, schools, police, firefighters, wars and national defense, homeland security, safe food, clean water, a fraud-free financial system — WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. There is room to debate what programs should be funded. But you must pay for it.

The status quo has evolved to a point where it pays for it by taxing the middle class disproportionately. Wealthy individuals and big corporations DO NOT pay tax at the SAME RATE as average people. THEY PAY LESS.

Or increasingly, it moves the costs off-books by borrowing the funds against our children. If it were public-sector investment it would be okay, but it’s not. We’re mortgaging our kids future to finance the operating needs of government. It’s disgusting.

All this noise about socialism and how democrats want to take all your money and give it to black people who don’t work is insidious republican horseshit. And you know damn well that’s the underlying message.

We need to collectively quit LYING and start conducting ourselves with some semblance of responsibility and honor because we have big problems right now.

[gandalf]

Things have veered too far to the right in this country, and the majority is in the process of reasserting control, taking issues back to center. Enough is enough.

SDR: I appreciate your comments. You’re one of the posters I respect, knowledgeable comments and you conduct yourself well. I apologize if I’m a bit abrasive from time to time.

I completely support a flat tax as a percentage of change in wealth with ZERO avoidance.

I have no idea how to get there given the accounting games and utter alchemy introduced into our financial system in the past 30 years. Nor do I have much confidence in the political will of congress and our states to institute reform.

What I object to on this board and elsewhere, and I suspect the majority of people in this country object to, is this steady right-wing drumbeat of propoganda, and in this particular case suggesting that any change to tax policy is socialism.

Across the board — federal and state governments, counties, municipalities, institutions, agencies, corporations — we are on the brink of insolvency, if not outright bankruptcy. The economic issues, currency failure, has become a national security matter now.

You simply CANNOT have government, roads, sewers, schools, police, firefighters, wars and national defense, homeland security, safe food, clean water, a fraud-free financial system — WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. There is room to debate what programs should be funded. But you must pay for it.

The status quo has evolved to a point where it pays for it by taxing the middle class disproportionately. Wealthy individuals and big corporations DO NOT pay tax at the SAME RATE as average people. THEY PAY LESS.

Or increasingly, it moves the costs off-books by borrowing the funds against our children. If it were public-sector investment it would be okay, but it’s not. We’re mortgaging our kids future to finance the operating needs of government. It’s disgusting.

All this noise about socialism and how democrats want to take all your money and give it to black people who don’t work is insidious republican horseshit. And you know damn well that’s the underlying message.

We need to collectively quit LYING and start conducting ourselves with some semblance of responsibility and honor because we have big problems right now.

[gandalf]

Things have veered too far to the right in this country, and the majority is in the process of reasserting control, taking issues back to center. Enough is enough.

SDR: I appreciate your comments. You’re one of the posters I respect, knowledgeable comments and you conduct yourself well. I apologize if I’m a bit abrasive from time to time.

I completely support a flat tax as a percentage of change in wealth with ZERO avoidance.

I have no idea how to get there given the accounting games and utter alchemy introduced into our financial system in the past 30 years. Nor do I have much confidence in the political will of congress and our states to institute reform.

What I object to on this board and elsewhere, and I suspect the majority of people in this country object to, is this steady right-wing drumbeat of propoganda, and in this particular case suggesting that any change to tax policy is socialism.

Across the board — federal and state governments, counties, municipalities, institutions, agencies, corporations — we are on the brink of insolvency, if not outright bankruptcy. The economic issues, currency failure, has become a national security matter now.

You simply CANNOT have government, roads, sewers, schools, police, firefighters, wars and national defense, homeland security, safe food, clean water, a fraud-free financial system — WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. There is room to debate what programs should be funded. But you must pay for it.

The status quo has evolved to a point where it pays for it by taxing the middle class disproportionately. Wealthy individuals and big corporations DO NOT pay tax at the SAME RATE as average people. THEY PAY LESS.

Or increasingly, it moves the costs off-books by borrowing the funds against our children. If it were public-sector investment it would be okay, but it’s not. We’re mortgaging our kids future to finance the operating needs of government. It’s disgusting.

All this noise about socialism and how democrats want to take all your money and give it to black people who don’t work is insidious republican horseshit. And you know damn well that’s the underlying message.

We need to collectively quit LYING and start conducting ourselves with some semblance of responsibility and honor because we have big problems right now.

[gandalf]

Things have veered too far to the right in this country, and the majority is in the process of reasserting control, taking issues back to center. Enough is enough.

SDR: I appreciate your comments. You’re one of the posters I respect, knowledgeable comments and you conduct yourself well. I apologize if I’m a bit abrasive from time to time.

I completely support a flat tax as a percentage of change in wealth with ZERO avoidance.

I have no idea how to get there given the accounting games and utter alchemy introduced into our financial system in the past 30 years. Nor do I have much confidence in the political will of congress and our states to institute reform.

What I object to on this board and elsewhere, and I suspect the majority of people in this country object to, is this steady right-wing drumbeat of propoganda, and in this particular case suggesting that any change to tax policy is socialism.

Across the board — federal and state governments, counties, municipalities, institutions, agencies, corporations — we are on the brink of insolvency, if not outright bankruptcy. The economic issues, currency failure, has become a national security matter now.

You simply CANNOT have government, roads, sewers, schools, police, firefighters, wars and national defense, homeland security, safe food, clean water, a fraud-free financial system — WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. There is room to debate what programs should be funded. But you must pay for it.

The status quo has evolved to a point where it pays for it by taxing the middle class disproportionately. Wealthy individuals and big corporations DO NOT pay tax at the SAME RATE as average people. THEY PAY LESS.

Or increasingly, it moves the costs off-books by borrowing the funds against our children. If it were public-sector investment it would be okay, but it’s not. We’re mortgaging our kids future to finance the operating needs of government. It’s disgusting.

All this noise about socialism and how democrats want to take all your money and give it to black people who don’t work is insidious republican horseshit. And you know damn well that’s the underlying message.

We need to collectively quit LYING and start conducting ourselves with some semblance of responsibility and honor because we have big problems right now.

[gandalf]

Things have veered too far to the right in this country, and the majority is in the process of reasserting control, taking issues back to center. Enough is enough.

SDR: I appreciate your comments. You’re one of the posters I respect, knowledgeable comments and you conduct yourself well. I apologize if I’m a bit abrasive from time to time.

I completely support a flat tax as a percentage of change in wealth with ZERO avoidance.

I have no idea how to get there given the accounting games and utter alchemy introduced into our financial system in the past 30 years. Nor do I have much confidence in the political will of congress and our states to institute reform.

What I object to on this board and elsewhere, and I suspect the majority of people in this country object to, is this steady right-wing drumbeat of propoganda, and in this particular case suggesting that any change to tax policy is socialism.

Across the board — federal and state governments, counties, municipalities, institutions, agencies, corporations — we are on the brink of insolvency, if not outright bankruptcy. The economic issues, currency failure, has become a national security matter now.

You simply CANNOT have government, roads, sewers, schools, police, firefighters, wars and national defense, homeland security, safe food, clean water, a fraud-free financial system — WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. There is room to debate what programs should be funded. But you must pay for it.

The status quo has evolved to a point where it pays for it by taxing the middle class disproportionately. Wealthy individuals and big corporations DO NOT pay tax at the SAME RATE as average people. THEY PAY LESS.

Or increasingly, it moves the costs off-books by borrowing the funds against our children. If it were public-sector investment it would be okay, but it’s not. We’re mortgaging our kids future to finance the operating needs of government. It’s disgusting.

All this noise about socialism and how democrats want to take all your money and give it to black people who don’t work is insidious republican horseshit. And you know damn well that’s the underlying message.

We need to collectively quit LYING and start conducting ourselves with some semblance of responsibility and honor because we have big problems right now.

[gandalf]

Interesting how ‘socialism’ has become the talking point of the day.

Are any of you defenders of the flag willing to discuss the impact of tax avoidance strategies on US tax policy? Because overall, tax policy in the last couple of decades has become substantially regressive for those with access.

I don’t support redistribution of wealth, but redistribution of wealth upwards is insidious. It’s ethically disgusting and it is screwing the majority of people in this country. It ought to be a crime punishable with dismemberment by an angry mob.

Many of you have been crying like babies over the bailout. You disagree with wealth redistribution, and object to “infusing” the banking system with taxpayer money to rescue Fat Cat bankers, flippers and cheats.

The bailout is the most regressive financial swindle in the history of this country. Current tax policy is regressive. You oppose the bailout, but you support a regressive tax policy. Do you see the contradition in your position? So you’re what … hypocrites?

Those of you out there complaining about tax policy as if it were socialism are either deceived or worse, “Deceivers”. It’s one of the two. Reminds me of that saying about card cheats, if you can’t figure out who’s cheating, you shouldn’t be at the table.

Finally, I’ll add that arguing with such vitriol about relatively minor changes in marginal tax rates and policy while we’re fighting two wars and battling a major economic crisis in our country is pretty shitty.

Obama / Biden in ’08

[gandalf]

Interesting how ‘socialism’ has become the talking point of the day.

Are any of you defenders of the flag willing to discuss the impact of tax avoidance strategies on US tax policy? Because overall, tax policy in the last couple of decades has become substantially regressive for those with access.

I don’t support redistribution of wealth, but redistribution of wealth upwards is insidious. It’s ethically disgusting and it is screwing the majority of people in this country. It ought to be a crime punishable with dismemberment by an angry mob.

Many of you have been crying like babies over the bailout. You disagree with wealth redistribution, and object to “infusing” the banking system with taxpayer money to rescue Fat Cat bankers, flippers and cheats.

The bailout is the most regressive financial swindle in the history of this country. Current tax policy is regressive. You oppose the bailout, but you support a regressive tax policy. Do you see the contradition in your position? So you’re what … hypocrites?

Those of you out there complaining about tax policy as if it were socialism are either deceived or worse, “Deceivers”. It’s one of the two. Reminds me of that saying about card cheats, if you can’t figure out who’s cheating, you shouldn’t be at the table.

Finally, I’ll add that arguing with such vitriol about relatively minor changes in marginal tax rates and policy while we’re fighting two wars and battling a major economic crisis in our country is pretty shitty.

Obama / Biden in ’08

[gandalf]

Interesting how ‘socialism’ has become the talking point of the day.

Are any of you defenders of the flag willing to discuss the impact of tax avoidance strategies on US tax policy? Because overall, tax policy in the last couple of decades has become substantially regressive for those with access.

I don’t support redistribution of wealth, but redistribution of wealth upwards is insidious. It’s ethically disgusting and it is screwing the majority of people in this country. It ought to be a crime punishable with dismemberment by an angry mob.

Many of you have been crying like babies over the bailout. You disagree with wealth redistribution, and object to “infusing” the banking system with taxpayer money to rescue Fat Cat bankers, flippers and cheats.

The bailout is the most regressive financial swindle in the history of this country. Current tax policy is regressive. You oppose the bailout, but you support a regressive tax policy. Do you see the contradition in your position? So you’re what … hypocrites?

Those of you out there complaining about tax policy as if it were socialism are either deceived or worse, “Deceivers”. It’s one of the two. Reminds me of that saying about card cheats, if you can’t figure out who’s cheating, you shouldn’t be at the table.

Finally, I’ll add that arguing with such vitriol about relatively minor changes in marginal tax rates and policy while we’re fighting two wars and battling a major economic crisis in our country is pretty shitty.

Obama / Biden in ’08

[gandalf]

Interesting how ‘socialism’ has become the talking point of the day.

Are any of you defenders of the flag willing to discuss the impact of tax avoidance strategies on US tax policy? Because overall, tax policy in the last couple of decades has become substantially regressive for those with access.

I don’t support redistribution of wealth, but redistribution of wealth upwards is insidious. It’s ethically disgusting and it is screwing the majority of people in this country. It ought to be a crime punishable with dismemberment by an angry mob.

Many of you have been crying like babies over the bailout. You disagree with wealth redistribution, and object to “infusing” the banking system with taxpayer money to rescue Fat Cat bankers, flippers and cheats.

The bailout is the most regressive financial swindle in the history of this country. Current tax policy is regressive. You oppose the bailout, but you support a regressive tax policy. Do you see the contradition in your position? So you’re what … hypocrites?

Those of you out there complaining about tax policy as if it were socialism are either deceived or worse, “Deceivers”. It’s one of the two. Reminds me of that saying about card cheats, if you can’t figure out who’s cheating, you shouldn’t be at the table.

Finally, I’ll add that arguing with such vitriol about relatively minor changes in marginal tax rates and policy while we’re fighting two wars and battling a major economic crisis in our country is pretty shitty.

Obama / Biden in ’08

[gandalf]

Interesting how ‘socialism’ has become the talking point of the day.

Are any of you defenders of the flag willing to discuss the impact of tax avoidance strategies on US tax policy? Because overall, tax policy in the last couple of decades has become substantially regressive for those with access.

I don’t support redistribution of wealth, but redistribution of wealth upwards is insidious. It’s ethically disgusting and it is screwing the majority of people in this country. It ought to be a crime punishable with dismemberment by an angry mob.

Many of you have been crying like babies over the bailout. You disagree with wealth redistribution, and object to “infusing” the banking system with taxpayer money to rescue Fat Cat bankers, flippers and cheats.

The bailout is the most regressive financial swindle in the history of this country. Current tax policy is regressive. You oppose the bailout, but you support a regressive tax policy. Do you see the contradition in your position? So you’re what … hypocrites?

Those of you out there complaining about tax policy as if it were socialism are either deceived or worse, “Deceivers”. It’s one of the two. Reminds me of that saying about card cheats, if you can’t figure out who’s cheating, you shouldn’t be at the table.

Finally, I’ll add that arguing with such vitriol about relatively minor changes in marginal tax rates and policy while we’re fighting two wars and battling a major economic crisis in our country is pretty shitty.

Obama / Biden in ’08

[gandalf]

AFF, I’ll concede your point. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I think there’s a real opportunity for a third party to emerge in this country right now. Look at the number of independents. Look at what’s happened to conservatives within the republican party. Look at the votes for Ron Paul.

The Gen-X crowd doesn’t buy into the whole left vs. right Vietnam zeitgeist. It’s a bunch of baby boomer bullshit to us. I’m not sure how something like that would get started but I’d wager there’s a 50/50 chance there’s a major new political party competing for power by 2020.

If I was still GOP, I’d be really, really concerned about the future of the party right now. Short of diebold-style vote-rigging and voter suppression, it’s going to be a wipeout in three weeks. And I don’t see how it gets any better given the cast of characters in charge of the GOP.

[gandalf]

AFF, I’ll concede your point. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I think there’s a real opportunity for a third party to emerge in this country right now. Look at the number of independents. Look at what’s happened to conservatives within the republican party. Look at the votes for Ron Paul.

The Gen-X crowd doesn’t buy into the whole left vs. right Vietnam zeitgeist. It’s a bunch of baby boomer bullshit to us. I’m not sure how something like that would get started but I’d wager there’s a 50/50 chance there’s a major new political party competing for power by 2020.

If I was still GOP, I’d be really, really concerned about the future of the party right now. Short of diebold-style vote-rigging and voter suppression, it’s going to be a wipeout in three weeks. And I don’t see how it gets any better given the cast of characters in charge of the GOP.

[gandalf]

AFF, I’ll concede your point. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I think there’s a real opportunity for a third party to emerge in this country right now. Look at the number of independents. Look at what’s happened to conservatives within the republican party. Look at the votes for Ron Paul.

The Gen-X crowd doesn’t buy into the whole left vs. right Vietnam zeitgeist. It’s a bunch of baby boomer bullshit to us. I’m not sure how something like that would get started but I’d wager there’s a 50/50 chance there’s a major new political party competing for power by 2020.

If I was still GOP, I’d be really, really concerned about the future of the party right now. Short of diebold-style vote-rigging and voter suppression, it’s going to be a wipeout in three weeks. And I don’t see how it gets any better given the cast of characters in charge of the GOP.

[gandalf]

AFF, I’ll concede your point. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I think there’s a real opportunity for a third party to emerge in this country right now. Look at the number of independents. Look at what’s happened to conservatives within the republican party. Look at the votes for Ron Paul.

The Gen-X crowd doesn’t buy into the whole left vs. right Vietnam zeitgeist. It’s a bunch of baby boomer bullshit to us. I’m not sure how something like that would get started but I’d wager there’s a 50/50 chance there’s a major new political party competing for power by 2020.

If I was still GOP, I’d be really, really concerned about the future of the party right now. Short of diebold-style vote-rigging and voter suppression, it’s going to be a wipeout in three weeks. And I don’t see how it gets any better given the cast of characters in charge of the GOP.

[gandalf]

AFF, I’ll concede your point. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I think there’s a real opportunity for a third party to emerge in this country right now. Look at the number of independents. Look at what’s happened to conservatives within the republican party. Look at the votes for Ron Paul.

The Gen-X crowd doesn’t buy into the whole left vs. right Vietnam zeitgeist. It’s a bunch of baby boomer bullshit to us. I’m not sure how something like that would get started but I’d wager there’s a 50/50 chance there’s a major new political party competing for power by 2020.

If I was still GOP, I’d be really, really concerned about the future of the party right now. Short of diebold-style vote-rigging and voter suppression, it’s going to be a wipeout in three weeks. And I don’t see how it gets any better given the cast of characters in charge of the GOP.

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