[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
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Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
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Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
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Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

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Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
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You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=captcha][quote=faterikcartman]

Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.

[/quote]
Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.
[/quote]

You missed the point. I’m not talking about consuming either. I’m talking about importation, domestic production, and illegal distribution.

I’m am literally stupefied when someone — sincerely mind you — thinks that if we ban guns that means people won’t get guns from someplace else. The drug problem exemplifies the impossibility of this plan working.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

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faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

[faterikcartman]

[quote=pabloesqobar][quote=faterikcartman]

What happens when you refuse to pay your taxes? As I alluded to above, armed IRS agents will raid you. You will be tried. There is a likelihood you will be imprisoned. If you resist you will be shot. This is not hyperbole. This is fact which anyone here can verify.

. . . rather, you will pay or we will have you arrested and imprisoned for tax evasion and if you resist you will be shot.

[/quote]

faterikcartman, I’ve agreed with much of what you post until I saw the above. You describe a fairly common occurrence and taken it to an absurd extreme. And a bit intellectually dishonest. People are generally not raided and executed by gun if they do not pay their taxes. There’s plenty of tax evasion crack-pots out there (Wesley Snipes) who resisted with the help of his attorney. They didn’t shoot him.

You seem to be suggesting that people who can’t or won’t pay will be thrown in jail or shot. So, the reasonable folks who refuse to pay this particular tax will choose to engage in behavior which will get them killed instead? Out of all of the b.s. taxes they pay, they decided that this is the one where they decide to engage the IRS agents in a gun fight and end up getting killed?

You know it’s a flawed argument, yet you still threw it out there when you didn’t need to. Other than that, I like your posts. Cheers.[/quote]

There’s nothing flawed about it. Executed? I can only imagine you didn’t understand.

Wesley Snipes is in jail. If he physically resisted at his time of arrest instead of cooperating what would have happened to him?

What I’m saying is the government will make you pay taxes. If you physically resist when they come to arrest you do you think they send in their best MMA fighter and if you kick his arse they drop it and let you go?

I put it in the form of physical resistance — rather than Annie get your lawyer — to highlight the principle at issue.

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