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If I were a Trump supporter, I will worry that his first deal after the election would be to sell me out ..

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Swiftboating attempts are unlikely to work against Hillary! People know her so well that any rumor, whisper campaign or speculation about her is unlikely to change their opinion of her for better or worse..

Talking policy is much better strategy. But wait what are policy positions of Trump/Cruz again ?

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My favorite Hillary joke-
Q: Why does Hillary want to be president?
A: Because she wants to sleep in the president’s bed.

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I don’t think it’s untrue when surveyed, many people, even within the democratic party find Clinton untrustworthy and fairly self serving…Democrats would prefer someone else, but apparently, there is no one else qualified…or even wants the job.[/quote]

Here is a statistic for you : 79 percent of Democrats this year have said they’d be satisfied with Hillary Clinton as their nominee (not very different from the number Obama got when this question was asked in 2008). The same number for Bernie Sanders is 62 percent.

So she is not as unpopular as some people claim.

Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republican-voters-kind-of-hate-all-their-choices/

Now of course Hillary is less popular than Jesus. However it is not an election between her and Jesus. She only needs to be more popular than Sanders, Trump, Rubio, Cruz and Kasich. Sometimes there are some double standards applied to Hillary in that nothing about her is good enough for some people.

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[quote=joec]
One reason Clinton has so much black support is because she works to get her black friends elected so they are returning the favor…
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That sounds insulting to the people who voted for her. A more simple explanation might be that the issue that Bernie has been raising does not resonate highly with minorities.

BTW I have high respect for Bernie’s excellent civil rights record.

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I don’t yet know that Trump’s plan is any better. But “getting rid of state boundaries” will be HUGE! [/quote]

Hi BG:

Here is a contrary view from a respected insurance industry person. He is not a fan or supporter of Obamacare by the way! While he criticises Obamacre a lot, he does not think that “getting rid of state boundaries” is going to do anything!

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2016/02/selling-health-insurance-across-state.html

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/03/silly-republican-insurance-reform.html

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-republican-alternative-to.html

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[quote=AN]How can you be a Republican and not a believer of conservative ideology? I’m a centrist independent and I believe in some of the conservative ideology.[/quote]

Kevin Faulconer 🙂

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[quote=AN]
Isn’t your #1 essentially is saying if you’re a Democrat, then you should dislike Rubio and Cruz?

#2, Rubio is part of the gang of 8, which in my view makes him much more centrist. I view that as a good thing, but am fully aware that during the primary, the candidates have to run either left or right. Just as Hillary is trying to run far left to match Bernie.[/quote]

#1 includes most but not all democrats. (There are democrats in the south & Appalachia who might be ideologically closer to GOP, but they are small in numbers these days). It could also include centrist independents & some (small number of) moderate republicans who would have voted for Bush or Kasich over Hillary if they were on the ballot.

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[quote=AN]However, what you posted, Trump is as similar to the other two as Trump to Bernie.[/quote]

I never said ( or at least never wanted to say) that Trump is similar to Rubio & Cruz.

I said basically two things.

1. If you don’t like Trump and you are not a believer in conservative ideology , then you should dislike Rubio and Cruz even more.

2. There is not that much difference between Rubio and Cruz and the extreme right of the Republican Party.

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[quote=AN]
What is Trump position? All I hear is fear mongering stuff. He didn’t say anything with substance, so how can you say his position is like Cruz or Rubio. Since I don’t know what his policy view point, other than building the damn wall, so I can’t say I hate is policy. But I do hate him because of his personality and who he inspires.[/quote]

On immigration all are for deporting the undocumented. All are against any significant immigration reform. Rubio once had more flexible position on this issue, from his gang of eight days, but since then he has backtracked on it ( However they are all accused by others to be secretly in favor of “amnesty”)

All are against any form of gun control and favor more expansion of guns in American society.

All are anti abortion. ( Trump, however, acknowledges that sometimes planned parenthood does some good things )

They favor significantly reduced taxes on the super-rich. Rubio will however throw some bones at non-super-rich in the form of child tax credits.

Cruz and Rubio favor entitlement reform (i.e. weakening social security, medicare, Medicaid ). Trump is probably not in favor of this.

All would get rid of Obamacare without specifying what will replace it. Trump promises people won’t die for lack of care ( Thank you!). Cruz/Rubio won’t promise that.

No one will restrain Wall Street & they favor getting rid of Dodd-Frank etc.( And you think Hillary is pro-wall-street). Trump however does not think very highly of the Wall Street traders!

All are for Macho foreign policy. Cruz will carpet bomb Syria. Rubio will pick fights with Putin. Trump will buddy up with Putin. Guantanamo will be refilled. Water boarding will be routine. All will roll back Iran nuclear deal. However Trump may not be as pro-Israel as the other two. Cruz & Trump however, inconsistently, sometimes also take non-interventionist stands on issues like Rand Paul. Rubio is consistently in the neo-con camp.

No one believes in climate change. Nothing will be done there.

Rubio/Cruz will nominate conservative justices to Supreme Court. Trump’s position is unclear.

They are all against expansion of LGBT rights, equal pay etc. Trump might be OK with increased minimum wage

Rubio/Cruz are enthusiastically for globalization & trade pacts. Trump is apparently not into those!

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Calling eachother RINO during the primaries is a common tactic. Current negative articles about Rubio from the extreme right are transient. They will die down as soon as Cruz is out of the race.

My prediction is that if Rubio gets the nomination, all of the GOP, including extreme right will fall in line and work for his election.

If Trump wins on the other hand, then defections are possible.

In short, there is not that much difference between what Rubio’s positions are and what the far right wants. I would not make any assumptions about him saying one thing to win primary and doing something else after getting elected. In fact, with a likely majority in house, senate and Supreme Court I will fully expect him to deliver on what he is saying!

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[quote=flu][quote=enron_by_the_sea]i understand people don’t like Hillary.

What I don’t understand is why people think Cruz or Rubio is a better choice than Trump if you don’t believe in the basic dogma of conservatism. Their positions are equally repealing as Trump to me .[/quote]

Cruz was a nutjob I never thought had a chance. Rubio is a RINO, but to me seems harmless.[/quote]

How so? Ideologically there is not much difference between them. They both got elected as Tea party insurgents. If you look at Heritage Scorecard ( gold standard of “conservativeness” in voting) Cruz scores 100% and Rubio scores 90% . They both are cut from the same cloth. There is nothing centrist/ RINO about Rubio.

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i understand people don’t like Hillary.

What I don’t understand is why people think Cruz or Rubio is a better choice than Trump if you don’t believe in the basic dogma of conservatism. Their positions are equally repealing as Trump’s are to me. They mostly say the same things as Trump, but in a more polished, classy, upper-class way!

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Brian, the projected +30 win in SC is huge win for Hillary. It’s going to be tough for Bernie to regain buzz, momentum & media coverage after this.

Actually there is very insightful artical by Nate Silver that I recommend. Basically even though Bernie did well in IA and won NH, he did not win even those states by as large enough margin as he should have, given the demographics of those states. So positive media aside, his performance in even IA / NH was not where it needed to be-

Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Need Momentum — He Needs To Win These States

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[quote=spdrun]bearishgurl — the Covered California thing doesn’t make sense. At least in NY, you can buy insurance through the exchange WITHOUT asking for a subsidy. At that point, they don’t really care about your income.

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Apparently even covered california allows you to apply for private insurance without Medi-cal or subsidies.

This is from their website:

“When you apply for coverage through Covered California, your application is automatically checked to see if your family is eligible for financial help through Covered California or for free or low-cost Medi-Cal. If you are not interested in financial help, Covered California also has a separate application you can use, for consumers who do not want financial assistance for a Covered California health insurance plan or coverage through Medi-Cal. Most consumers choose to apply for financial assistance to help pay for health coverage.

http://www.coveredca.com/individuals-and-families/getting-covered/application-process/

Also, covered california is NOT the only place where you can buy health insurance. “off-the-exchange” personal health insurance plans are allowed under ACA and widely used. Here is one example:

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/
https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/off-exchange-plans/

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