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Why do people care about Zillow valuations? How many times do they have to be so F’n wrong it isnt even funny anymore, before people stop listening to them? Now if he got a real appraiser to say that price, then he could be feeling good.

[DWCAP]

Why do people care about Zillow valuations? How many times do they have to be so F’n wrong it isnt even funny anymore, before people stop listening to them? Now if he got a real appraiser to say that price, then he could be feeling good.

[DWCAP]

Last I checked, it is thought that we are growing at about a 3-4% pace, and that the ‘stimulus’ was at it height right now, adding about 3% to the economy. That means nearly ALL current growth was directly related to stimulus efforts, which are currently at their maximum effect.

[quote]These estimates suggest that the ARRA added two to three percentage points to real GDP growth in the second quarter and three to four percentage points to growth in the third quarter. This implies that much of the moderation of the decline in GDP growth in the second quarter and the anticipated rise in the third quarter is directly attributable to the ARRA.”[/Quote]

Within 6 months current stimulus effects will not be adding growth to the economy. Either the ‘positiive feedback cycles’ pickup or we start to go back to 0 or negative.

[Quote]“Fiscal stimulus has its greatest impact on growth around the quarters when it is increasing most strongly. When spending and tax cuts reach their maximum and level off, the contribution to growth returns to roughly zero. This does not mean that stimulus is no longer having an effect. Rather, it means that the effect is to keep GDP above the level it would be at in the absence of stimulus, not to raise growth further. Most analysts predict that the fiscal stimulus will have its greatest impact on growth in the second and third quarters of 2009.”[/Quote]

Basically either it works, or they will try a higher dose sometime before the elections in 2010.
My bet is on ‘higher dose’.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=282044&t=01005771636552802201

[DWCAP]

Last I checked, it is thought that we are growing at about a 3-4% pace, and that the ‘stimulus’ was at it height right now, adding about 3% to the economy. That means nearly ALL current growth was directly related to stimulus efforts, which are currently at their maximum effect.

[quote]These estimates suggest that the ARRA added two to three percentage points to real GDP growth in the second quarter and three to four percentage points to growth in the third quarter. This implies that much of the moderation of the decline in GDP growth in the second quarter and the anticipated rise in the third quarter is directly attributable to the ARRA.”[/Quote]

Within 6 months current stimulus effects will not be adding growth to the economy. Either the ‘positiive feedback cycles’ pickup or we start to go back to 0 or negative.

[Quote]“Fiscal stimulus has its greatest impact on growth around the quarters when it is increasing most strongly. When spending and tax cuts reach their maximum and level off, the contribution to growth returns to roughly zero. This does not mean that stimulus is no longer having an effect. Rather, it means that the effect is to keep GDP above the level it would be at in the absence of stimulus, not to raise growth further. Most analysts predict that the fiscal stimulus will have its greatest impact on growth in the second and third quarters of 2009.”[/Quote]

Basically either it works, or they will try a higher dose sometime before the elections in 2010.
My bet is on ‘higher dose’.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=282044&t=01005771636552802201

[DWCAP]

Last I checked, it is thought that we are growing at about a 3-4% pace, and that the ‘stimulus’ was at it height right now, adding about 3% to the economy. That means nearly ALL current growth was directly related to stimulus efforts, which are currently at their maximum effect.

[quote]These estimates suggest that the ARRA added two to three percentage points to real GDP growth in the second quarter and three to four percentage points to growth in the third quarter. This implies that much of the moderation of the decline in GDP growth in the second quarter and the anticipated rise in the third quarter is directly attributable to the ARRA.”[/Quote]

Within 6 months current stimulus effects will not be adding growth to the economy. Either the ‘positiive feedback cycles’ pickup or we start to go back to 0 or negative.

[Quote]“Fiscal stimulus has its greatest impact on growth around the quarters when it is increasing most strongly. When spending and tax cuts reach their maximum and level off, the contribution to growth returns to roughly zero. This does not mean that stimulus is no longer having an effect. Rather, it means that the effect is to keep GDP above the level it would be at in the absence of stimulus, not to raise growth further. Most analysts predict that the fiscal stimulus will have its greatest impact on growth in the second and third quarters of 2009.”[/Quote]

Basically either it works, or they will try a higher dose sometime before the elections in 2010.
My bet is on ‘higher dose’.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=282044&t=01005771636552802201

[DWCAP]

Last I checked, it is thought that we are growing at about a 3-4% pace, and that the ‘stimulus’ was at it height right now, adding about 3% to the economy. That means nearly ALL current growth was directly related to stimulus efforts, which are currently at their maximum effect.

[quote]These estimates suggest that the ARRA added two to three percentage points to real GDP growth in the second quarter and three to four percentage points to growth in the third quarter. This implies that much of the moderation of the decline in GDP growth in the second quarter and the anticipated rise in the third quarter is directly attributable to the ARRA.”[/Quote]

Within 6 months current stimulus effects will not be adding growth to the economy. Either the ‘positiive feedback cycles’ pickup or we start to go back to 0 or negative.

[Quote]“Fiscal stimulus has its greatest impact on growth around the quarters when it is increasing most strongly. When spending and tax cuts reach their maximum and level off, the contribution to growth returns to roughly zero. This does not mean that stimulus is no longer having an effect. Rather, it means that the effect is to keep GDP above the level it would be at in the absence of stimulus, not to raise growth further. Most analysts predict that the fiscal stimulus will have its greatest impact on growth in the second and third quarters of 2009.”[/Quote]

Basically either it works, or they will try a higher dose sometime before the elections in 2010.
My bet is on ‘higher dose’.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=282044&t=01005771636552802201

[DWCAP]

Last I checked, it is thought that we are growing at about a 3-4% pace, and that the ‘stimulus’ was at it height right now, adding about 3% to the economy. That means nearly ALL current growth was directly related to stimulus efforts, which are currently at their maximum effect.

[quote]These estimates suggest that the ARRA added two to three percentage points to real GDP growth in the second quarter and three to four percentage points to growth in the third quarter. This implies that much of the moderation of the decline in GDP growth in the second quarter and the anticipated rise in the third quarter is directly attributable to the ARRA.”[/Quote]

Within 6 months current stimulus effects will not be adding growth to the economy. Either the ‘positiive feedback cycles’ pickup or we start to go back to 0 or negative.

[Quote]“Fiscal stimulus has its greatest impact on growth around the quarters when it is increasing most strongly. When spending and tax cuts reach their maximum and level off, the contribution to growth returns to roughly zero. This does not mean that stimulus is no longer having an effect. Rather, it means that the effect is to keep GDP above the level it would be at in the absence of stimulus, not to raise growth further. Most analysts predict that the fiscal stimulus will have its greatest impact on growth in the second and third quarters of 2009.”[/Quote]

Basically either it works, or they will try a higher dose sometime before the elections in 2010.
My bet is on ‘higher dose’.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=282044&t=01005771636552802201

[DWCAP]

Just got back from Minnesota for a family trip. Spent some times with my cousins, one inparticular stands out in the regard of this thread.

I am related to the wife. Every Sat she writes a “hunny-do” list, and it is to be done in the order that she wrote it. He is expected to get everything done on the list.

I gagged, as if this grown man (whom I only met once at the wedding) cant plan his own Sat. I said that list would be ripped right infront of her face if my GF tried to do that to me. The response back was “well then he wont be let back in the house”. My response was ‘great, then I wont be paying the morgage either’. The end of that line of thought is obvious. Needless to say non of the women (all of whom I am related to) were happy with me.

I then added “or Id just start writing my own ‘Hunny-do’ lists, to be completed in order.” All my cousins agreed ‘that is fair’, but then added ‘dont tell him that!’ with a smile.

I bring this up cause it speaks to the two problems that cause threads like this to be discussed on a housing blog (huh???)

1) Be careful who you choose. I could never have a relationship with someone like my cousin, no matter how hot she is. It is little different than the repeated complaint that ‘my wife wants a house, NOW!’. (gotta tie this into housing somehow) If you dont like to bend over, dont be with someone who likes to push.

2) Fair is fair. Men often resort to the wrong tactic, physical, when dealing with women. Play the game. If she writes lists, write your own, If she naggs, nag back. If she makes a request/suggestion/demand, make your own. And hold her feet to the fire, If she ‘punishes’ you for failing in your tasks, repeat it back. People admit what is fair, they just ask for more if they think they can get it.

[DWCAP]

Just got back from Minnesota for a family trip. Spent some times with my cousins, one inparticular stands out in the regard of this thread.

I am related to the wife. Every Sat she writes a “hunny-do” list, and it is to be done in the order that she wrote it. He is expected to get everything done on the list.

I gagged, as if this grown man (whom I only met once at the wedding) cant plan his own Sat. I said that list would be ripped right infront of her face if my GF tried to do that to me. The response back was “well then he wont be let back in the house”. My response was ‘great, then I wont be paying the morgage either’. The end of that line of thought is obvious. Needless to say non of the women (all of whom I am related to) were happy with me.

I then added “or Id just start writing my own ‘Hunny-do’ lists, to be completed in order.” All my cousins agreed ‘that is fair’, but then added ‘dont tell him that!’ with a smile.

I bring this up cause it speaks to the two problems that cause threads like this to be discussed on a housing blog (huh???)

1) Be careful who you choose. I could never have a relationship with someone like my cousin, no matter how hot she is. It is little different than the repeated complaint that ‘my wife wants a house, NOW!’. (gotta tie this into housing somehow) If you dont like to bend over, dont be with someone who likes to push.

2) Fair is fair. Men often resort to the wrong tactic, physical, when dealing with women. Play the game. If she writes lists, write your own, If she naggs, nag back. If she makes a request/suggestion/demand, make your own. And hold her feet to the fire, If she ‘punishes’ you for failing in your tasks, repeat it back. People admit what is fair, they just ask for more if they think they can get it.

[DWCAP]

Just got back from Minnesota for a family trip. Spent some times with my cousins, one inparticular stands out in the regard of this thread.

I am related to the wife. Every Sat she writes a “hunny-do” list, and it is to be done in the order that she wrote it. He is expected to get everything done on the list.

I gagged, as if this grown man (whom I only met once at the wedding) cant plan his own Sat. I said that list would be ripped right infront of her face if my GF tried to do that to me. The response back was “well then he wont be let back in the house”. My response was ‘great, then I wont be paying the morgage either’. The end of that line of thought is obvious. Needless to say non of the women (all of whom I am related to) were happy with me.

I then added “or Id just start writing my own ‘Hunny-do’ lists, to be completed in order.” All my cousins agreed ‘that is fair’, but then added ‘dont tell him that!’ with a smile.

I bring this up cause it speaks to the two problems that cause threads like this to be discussed on a housing blog (huh???)

1) Be careful who you choose. I could never have a relationship with someone like my cousin, no matter how hot she is. It is little different than the repeated complaint that ‘my wife wants a house, NOW!’. (gotta tie this into housing somehow) If you dont like to bend over, dont be with someone who likes to push.

2) Fair is fair. Men often resort to the wrong tactic, physical, when dealing with women. Play the game. If she writes lists, write your own, If she naggs, nag back. If she makes a request/suggestion/demand, make your own. And hold her feet to the fire, If she ‘punishes’ you for failing in your tasks, repeat it back. People admit what is fair, they just ask for more if they think they can get it.

[DWCAP]

Just got back from Minnesota for a family trip. Spent some times with my cousins, one inparticular stands out in the regard of this thread.

I am related to the wife. Every Sat she writes a “hunny-do” list, and it is to be done in the order that she wrote it. He is expected to get everything done on the list.

I gagged, as if this grown man (whom I only met once at the wedding) cant plan his own Sat. I said that list would be ripped right infront of her face if my GF tried to do that to me. The response back was “well then he wont be let back in the house”. My response was ‘great, then I wont be paying the morgage either’. The end of that line of thought is obvious. Needless to say non of the women (all of whom I am related to) were happy with me.

I then added “or Id just start writing my own ‘Hunny-do’ lists, to be completed in order.” All my cousins agreed ‘that is fair’, but then added ‘dont tell him that!’ with a smile.

I bring this up cause it speaks to the two problems that cause threads like this to be discussed on a housing blog (huh???)

1) Be careful who you choose. I could never have a relationship with someone like my cousin, no matter how hot she is. It is little different than the repeated complaint that ‘my wife wants a house, NOW!’. (gotta tie this into housing somehow) If you dont like to bend over, dont be with someone who likes to push.

2) Fair is fair. Men often resort to the wrong tactic, physical, when dealing with women. Play the game. If she writes lists, write your own, If she naggs, nag back. If she makes a request/suggestion/demand, make your own. And hold her feet to the fire, If she ‘punishes’ you for failing in your tasks, repeat it back. People admit what is fair, they just ask for more if they think they can get it.

[DWCAP]

Just got back from Minnesota for a family trip. Spent some times with my cousins, one inparticular stands out in the regard of this thread.

I am related to the wife. Every Sat she writes a “hunny-do” list, and it is to be done in the order that she wrote it. He is expected to get everything done on the list.

I gagged, as if this grown man (whom I only met once at the wedding) cant plan his own Sat. I said that list would be ripped right infront of her face if my GF tried to do that to me. The response back was “well then he wont be let back in the house”. My response was ‘great, then I wont be paying the morgage either’. The end of that line of thought is obvious. Needless to say non of the women (all of whom I am related to) were happy with me.

I then added “or Id just start writing my own ‘Hunny-do’ lists, to be completed in order.” All my cousins agreed ‘that is fair’, but then added ‘dont tell him that!’ with a smile.

I bring this up cause it speaks to the two problems that cause threads like this to be discussed on a housing blog (huh???)

1) Be careful who you choose. I could never have a relationship with someone like my cousin, no matter how hot she is. It is little different than the repeated complaint that ‘my wife wants a house, NOW!’. (gotta tie this into housing somehow) If you dont like to bend over, dont be with someone who likes to push.

2) Fair is fair. Men often resort to the wrong tactic, physical, when dealing with women. Play the game. If she writes lists, write your own, If she naggs, nag back. If she makes a request/suggestion/demand, make your own. And hold her feet to the fire, If she ‘punishes’ you for failing in your tasks, repeat it back. People admit what is fair, they just ask for more if they think they can get it.

[DWCAP]

There is plenty wrong with his math, but the gist is correct.
Sales tax and rebate taxes and all the rest of it will probably just about cancel themselves out. There is no FEDERAL income taxs. But increased sales values will raise sales taxes, maybe a few hundred dollars off your rebate. I have a feeling they will play with the law on this one, 2010 is an election year remember.

Still it was a ripoff, and here is why.

If you got the $3500 rebate, and then paid full price like the OP car, you came out $500 ahead. However, even if you only had a $1500 trade in value car, you are now out $1000. Certain states may hit you with state taxes, so you are out maybe another $500. So you lost $1500 on the deal, or if you live in certain states ‘only’ $1000 was lost.
If you traded in for the $4500 rebate, you are at basically break even.

In the end, you either broke even, or lost money. But remember that near the end alot of dealers were short inventory and people had to compromise on their cars. They may or may not have gotten what they really wanted, all to take advantage of a program that at best left them at 0. Yah!

[DWCAP]

There is plenty wrong with his math, but the gist is correct.
Sales tax and rebate taxes and all the rest of it will probably just about cancel themselves out. There is no FEDERAL income taxs. But increased sales values will raise sales taxes, maybe a few hundred dollars off your rebate. I have a feeling they will play with the law on this one, 2010 is an election year remember.

Still it was a ripoff, and here is why.

If you got the $3500 rebate, and then paid full price like the OP car, you came out $500 ahead. However, even if you only had a $1500 trade in value car, you are now out $1000. Certain states may hit you with state taxes, so you are out maybe another $500. So you lost $1500 on the deal, or if you live in certain states ‘only’ $1000 was lost.
If you traded in for the $4500 rebate, you are at basically break even.

In the end, you either broke even, or lost money. But remember that near the end alot of dealers were short inventory and people had to compromise on their cars. They may or may not have gotten what they really wanted, all to take advantage of a program that at best left them at 0. Yah!

[DWCAP]

There is plenty wrong with his math, but the gist is correct.
Sales tax and rebate taxes and all the rest of it will probably just about cancel themselves out. There is no FEDERAL income taxs. But increased sales values will raise sales taxes, maybe a few hundred dollars off your rebate. I have a feeling they will play with the law on this one, 2010 is an election year remember.

Still it was a ripoff, and here is why.

If you got the $3500 rebate, and then paid full price like the OP car, you came out $500 ahead. However, even if you only had a $1500 trade in value car, you are now out $1000. Certain states may hit you with state taxes, so you are out maybe another $500. So you lost $1500 on the deal, or if you live in certain states ‘only’ $1000 was lost.
If you traded in for the $4500 rebate, you are at basically break even.

In the end, you either broke even, or lost money. But remember that near the end alot of dealers were short inventory and people had to compromise on their cars. They may or may not have gotten what they really wanted, all to take advantage of a program that at best left them at 0. Yah!

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