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[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

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No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

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[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

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No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

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Scaredycat,

What school district are you in?

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Scaredycat,

What school district are you in?

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Scaredycat,

What school district are you in?

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Scaredycat,

What school district are you in?

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Scaredycat,

What school district are you in?

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[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.

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Bingo!

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[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.

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Bingo!

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[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.

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Bingo!

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[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.

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Bingo!

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[quote=meadandale]@davelj

Love of learning and curiosity should be their own reward. THAT’s what you should be spending your energy on and you don’t even have to open your wallet. Take your kids to the library. Take your kids to a museum. Get involved in their school work with them.

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Bingo!

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Scaredycat,

Is your son’s father/male figures (uncles/family friend, etc.) engaged in his life? Yes, I’m assuming your female.

I was raised by a single mother. She was busy putting food on the table so, activities were not on the priority list. I had many interstes that went unnurtured as a result. Without some sort of outside interests and some guidance to how all that “stuff” we’re suppose to learn in school fits into the big picture it’s just “stuff”. Sometimes that the correlation needs to be explained. And, I don’t mean just a verbal diatribe about how paying attention is going to pay off in the future.

I was primarily a B/C student in school. Not because I didn’t comprehend the material but, because I was bored with it. Whenever, anyone took the time to pay attention to my grades they always had a WTF moment. It was pretty clear what subjects interested me and which were pure boredom.

I would suggest trying to determine what his interests are if any and nuturing them. Have you asked him if he has any interst in going to college? Possible major?

I’d also be concerned with his lack of friends. What’s the root cause of this? May not be an issue or it could be a sign of something.

As I grow older and hopefully wiser, there are a few things that I have noticed. A good portion of the people that should be “happy” based on what our society seems to think happiness is are pretty miserable. The flip side to that, most of the genuinely happy people that I have met don’t have a large monetary wealth, degress from fancy schools, or any of the things that we tend to associate with success.

My son in only two but, I’m already wrestling with what our approach is going to be with his education. We’re looking at the cost of private school vs. the glorious PUSD. I always wanted to be an engineer so I’m constantly buying him blocks and tools. So far, he really likes music and artistic type stuff. So, piano lesson may be in order. I weep inside.

At the end of the day I really think it all comes down to him. What will he want out of life and what will make him happy.

I think most parents really want their children to be happy. Then, there are those that are using their children’s lives as an extention of their own. Another topic entirely.

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Scaredycat,

Is your son’s father/male figures (uncles/family friend, etc.) engaged in his life? Yes, I’m assuming your female.

I was raised by a single mother. She was busy putting food on the table so, activities were not on the priority list. I had many interstes that went unnurtured as a result. Without some sort of outside interests and some guidance to how all that “stuff” we’re suppose to learn in school fits into the big picture it’s just “stuff”. Sometimes that the correlation needs to be explained. And, I don’t mean just a verbal diatribe about how paying attention is going to pay off in the future.

I was primarily a B/C student in school. Not because I didn’t comprehend the material but, because I was bored with it. Whenever, anyone took the time to pay attention to my grades they always had a WTF moment. It was pretty clear what subjects interested me and which were pure boredom.

I would suggest trying to determine what his interests are if any and nuturing them. Have you asked him if he has any interst in going to college? Possible major?

I’d also be concerned with his lack of friends. What’s the root cause of this? May not be an issue or it could be a sign of something.

As I grow older and hopefully wiser, there are a few things that I have noticed. A good portion of the people that should be “happy” based on what our society seems to think happiness is are pretty miserable. The flip side to that, most of the genuinely happy people that I have met don’t have a large monetary wealth, degress from fancy schools, or any of the things that we tend to associate with success.

My son in only two but, I’m already wrestling with what our approach is going to be with his education. We’re looking at the cost of private school vs. the glorious PUSD. I always wanted to be an engineer so I’m constantly buying him blocks and tools. So far, he really likes music and artistic type stuff. So, piano lesson may be in order. I weep inside.

At the end of the day I really think it all comes down to him. What will he want out of life and what will make him happy.

I think most parents really want their children to be happy. Then, there are those that are using their children’s lives as an extention of their own. Another topic entirely.

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Scaredycat,

Is your son’s father/male figures (uncles/family friend, etc.) engaged in his life? Yes, I’m assuming your female.

I was raised by a single mother. She was busy putting food on the table so, activities were not on the priority list. I had many interstes that went unnurtured as a result. Without some sort of outside interests and some guidance to how all that “stuff” we’re suppose to learn in school fits into the big picture it’s just “stuff”. Sometimes that the correlation needs to be explained. And, I don’t mean just a verbal diatribe about how paying attention is going to pay off in the future.

I was primarily a B/C student in school. Not because I didn’t comprehend the material but, because I was bored with it. Whenever, anyone took the time to pay attention to my grades they always had a WTF moment. It was pretty clear what subjects interested me and which were pure boredom.

I would suggest trying to determine what his interests are if any and nuturing them. Have you asked him if he has any interst in going to college? Possible major?

I’d also be concerned with his lack of friends. What’s the root cause of this? May not be an issue or it could be a sign of something.

As I grow older and hopefully wiser, there are a few things that I have noticed. A good portion of the people that should be “happy” based on what our society seems to think happiness is are pretty miserable. The flip side to that, most of the genuinely happy people that I have met don’t have a large monetary wealth, degress from fancy schools, or any of the things that we tend to associate with success.

My son in only two but, I’m already wrestling with what our approach is going to be with his education. We’re looking at the cost of private school vs. the glorious PUSD. I always wanted to be an engineer so I’m constantly buying him blocks and tools. So far, he really likes music and artistic type stuff. So, piano lesson may be in order. I weep inside.

At the end of the day I really think it all comes down to him. What will he want out of life and what will make him happy.

I think most parents really want their children to be happy. Then, there are those that are using their children’s lives as an extention of their own. Another topic entirely.

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