Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai

[Rt.66]

The Japanese Gov. funded a large part of Toyota’s Prius development.

I’d say foreign Govs. Embarrassed the US Gov. by protecting, funding and nurturing their automakers to the point at which we find our manufacturers in the predicament we are in today.

People, you cannot disagree that our very own manufacturers have been put at a distinct disadvantage for decades. Everything else is just looking for a reason by looking past the reason.

[creechrr]

[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

[/quote]

No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

[creechrr]

[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

[/quote]

No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

[creechrr]

[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

[/quote]

No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

[creechrr]

[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

[/quote]

No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

[creechrr]

[quote=Rt.66]I disagree. GM could have gone on paying $14 an hour to new hires and $27hr (about what Toyota and Honda pay US employees) to their very long term UAW employeees forever IF, if…. the 3 unfair trade advantages mentioned above had been addressed.

I’ve read that all 3 together add up to $4-$6k per car. Can you imagine how much more development GM could put into small profit margin economy cars had it not been for the Unfair advantage that Toyota, Hyundia etc. enjoy from their Job friendly and aggressive Governments?

GMs legacy costs are not an evil, anchor of non-competetiveness we should be chastising them for. Those legacy costs are pensions and healthcare. Important things that we all should be fortunate enough to have. They are doing our country a solid. Our Gov. should recognize that and provide a fair trade counterbalance to keep those flowing.

What do they do instead? Send the jobs to China, Japan and Korea and have the tax payer pick up the bill for folks cheated and thrown into poverty?

I don’t care what it is anyone does for work I would just as eagerly defend any pension you earned.

Its f@cked up to let retired people and American jobs take it in the @ss because people in charge thinks its cool to allow foriegn countries with predatory, unfair and unjust trade policies to scam us into GD2.

[/quote]

No, GM’s legacy costs are not evil. However, it seems to me that those high wages and benefits such as pensions and healthcare are part of the problem. GM is a reflection of the nation as a whole. The standard of living for US inhabitants have been far higher than most the world by a large degree. You can’t expect that gap to continue indefinately.

The Asian countries played the one card that they had, cheap labor. You/we would have done the same. And, eventualy, the tables will turn. The low cost producer of today will become old, fat and slow. Some young energetic kid will come along and fill the void, maybe Africa (if they can ever stop fighting amongst themselves).

Let’s not forget the US has its own protectionst trade tariffs and subsidies.

– 1930 Hawley-Smoot
– 1920 Jones Act
– Farm Subsidies (various)

Sugar anyone?

[paddyoh]

Many good points made on both sides here.

So what can we as Americans do on a personal level to pitch in to help our economy, the auto industry and the blue collar worker?

Most people know that the American auto of today is far superior to the bummer they got burned on in the 80’s.

I say we need a popular spokesman to make the main stream media start taking the subject more seriously.

At the sake of sounding like a broken record, I say we encourage Jeff Bridges to renounce (for lack of a better word) his relationship with Hyundai and encourage folks to at least consider buying American again to do their part to dig us out of this hole.

A plea for a level playing field.

Before this Asian auto infiltration gets any more traction and becomes another Honda, Toyota, Nissan cluster-fluster.

It’s the kind of patriotic movement that was so successful in WWI and WWII.

Hopefully the main stream media will run with the story.

It can be done with very little individual time at home on our PC’s. It’s focused and it’s quite possibly doable without being labeled some kind of fringe movement. Just concerned citizens.

If anyone has a better idea I am all ears.

Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Make your voice heard at:

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3409533&trail=25

P.S. – I have no personal axe to grind with Jeff Bridges. As a matter of fact I have been a huge fan of his for years and it truly pains me to single him out.

It’s just those darn commercials he does for Hyundai are so good – and so is he. It pains me every time I see one on the television machine.

All I can think is what good he could be doing for the home team if he switched sides.

Wouldn’t it be great if Jeff Bridges were the spokesperson for the Big Three American auto makers ?

[paddyoh]

Many good points made on both sides here.

So what can we as Americans do on a personal level to pitch in to help our economy, the auto industry and the blue collar worker?

Most people know that the American auto of today is far superior to the bummer they got burned on in the 80’s.

I say we need a popular spokesman to make the main stream media start taking the subject more seriously.

At the sake of sounding like a broken record, I say we encourage Jeff Bridges to renounce (for lack of a better word) his relationship with Hyundai and encourage folks to at least consider buying American again to do their part to dig us out of this hole.

A plea for a level playing field.

Before this Asian auto infiltration gets any more traction and becomes another Honda, Toyota, Nissan cluster-fluster.

It’s the kind of patriotic movement that was so successful in WWI and WWII.

Hopefully the main stream media will run with the story.

It can be done with very little individual time at home on our PC’s. It’s focused and it’s quite possibly doable without being labeled some kind of fringe movement. Just concerned citizens.

If anyone has a better idea I am all ears.

Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Make your voice heard at:

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3409533&trail=25

P.S. – I have no personal axe to grind with Jeff Bridges. As a matter of fact I have been a huge fan of his for years and it truly pains me to single him out.

It’s just those darn commercials he does for Hyundai are so good – and so is he. It pains me every time I see one on the television machine.

All I can think is what good he could be doing for the home team if he switched sides.

Wouldn’t it be great if Jeff Bridges were the spokesperson for the Big Three American auto makers ?

[paddyoh]

Many good points made on both sides here.

So what can we as Americans do on a personal level to pitch in to help our economy, the auto industry and the blue collar worker?

Most people know that the American auto of today is far superior to the bummer they got burned on in the 80’s.

I say we need a popular spokesman to make the main stream media start taking the subject more seriously.

At the sake of sounding like a broken record, I say we encourage Jeff Bridges to renounce (for lack of a better word) his relationship with Hyundai and encourage folks to at least consider buying American again to do their part to dig us out of this hole.

A plea for a level playing field.

Before this Asian auto infiltration gets any more traction and becomes another Honda, Toyota, Nissan cluster-fluster.

It’s the kind of patriotic movement that was so successful in WWI and WWII.

Hopefully the main stream media will run with the story.

It can be done with very little individual time at home on our PC’s. It’s focused and it’s quite possibly doable without being labeled some kind of fringe movement. Just concerned citizens.

If anyone has a better idea I am all ears.

Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Make your voice heard at:

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3409533&trail=25

P.S. – I have no personal axe to grind with Jeff Bridges. As a matter of fact I have been a huge fan of his for years and it truly pains me to single him out.

It’s just those darn commercials he does for Hyundai are so good – and so is he. It pains me every time I see one on the television machine.

All I can think is what good he could be doing for the home team if he switched sides.

Wouldn’t it be great if Jeff Bridges were the spokesperson for the Big Three American auto makers ?

[paddyoh]

Many good points made on both sides here.

So what can we as Americans do on a personal level to pitch in to help our economy, the auto industry and the blue collar worker?

Most people know that the American auto of today is far superior to the bummer they got burned on in the 80’s.

I say we need a popular spokesman to make the main stream media start taking the subject more seriously.

At the sake of sounding like a broken record, I say we encourage Jeff Bridges to renounce (for lack of a better word) his relationship with Hyundai and encourage folks to at least consider buying American again to do their part to dig us out of this hole.

A plea for a level playing field.

Before this Asian auto infiltration gets any more traction and becomes another Honda, Toyota, Nissan cluster-fluster.

It’s the kind of patriotic movement that was so successful in WWI and WWII.

Hopefully the main stream media will run with the story.

It can be done with very little individual time at home on our PC’s. It’s focused and it’s quite possibly doable without being labeled some kind of fringe movement. Just concerned citizens.

If anyone has a better idea I am all ears.

Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Make your voice heard at:

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3409533&trail=25

P.S. – I have no personal axe to grind with Jeff Bridges. As a matter of fact I have been a huge fan of his for years and it truly pains me to single him out.

It’s just those darn commercials he does for Hyundai are so good – and so is he. It pains me every time I see one on the television machine.

All I can think is what good he could be doing for the home team if he switched sides.

Wouldn’t it be great if Jeff Bridges were the spokesperson for the Big Three American auto makers ?

[paddyoh]

Many good points made on both sides here.

So what can we as Americans do on a personal level to pitch in to help our economy, the auto industry and the blue collar worker?

Most people know that the American auto of today is far superior to the bummer they got burned on in the 80’s.

I say we need a popular spokesman to make the main stream media start taking the subject more seriously.

At the sake of sounding like a broken record, I say we encourage Jeff Bridges to renounce (for lack of a better word) his relationship with Hyundai and encourage folks to at least consider buying American again to do their part to dig us out of this hole.

A plea for a level playing field.

Before this Asian auto infiltration gets any more traction and becomes another Honda, Toyota, Nissan cluster-fluster.

It’s the kind of patriotic movement that was so successful in WWI and WWII.

Hopefully the main stream media will run with the story.

It can be done with very little individual time at home on our PC’s. It’s focused and it’s quite possibly doable without being labeled some kind of fringe movement. Just concerned citizens.

If anyone has a better idea I am all ears.

Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Make your voice heard at:

http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3409533&trail=25

P.S. – I have no personal axe to grind with Jeff Bridges. As a matter of fact I have been a huge fan of his for years and it truly pains me to single him out.

It’s just those darn commercials he does for Hyundai are so good – and so is he. It pains me every time I see one on the television machine.

All I can think is what good he could be doing for the home team if he switched sides.

Wouldn’t it be great if Jeff Bridges were the spokesperson for the Big Three American auto makers ?

[Zeitgeist]

Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/

[Zeitgeist]

Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/

[Zeitgeist]

Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/

[Zeitgeist]

Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/

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