[Coronita]

Sure Brian,

If you think buying a washer/dryer/dishwasher that lasts 5-7 years and needs to be thrown out into the landfill (which usually gets shipped to places like Thailand and Vietnam since China stopped taking Western trash, out of sight and out of mind of most hypocritical “environmentalists” here in the US) and replaced by a new unit is more eco-friendly than a washer/dryer/dishwasher that lasts 15-20 years, and you’re also one of the american wastefuls that does a ridiculous number of loads of laundry and uses a dishwasher regularly, despite being a single person with no significant other and family when it would make economically and eco-friendly more sense to run those appliances. Well, then, like I said.

Sure. Ok, Boomer.

I never used a dishwasher when I was single a long long time ago. And given you’ve been single a lot longer than me, there would be no need for you to use a dishwasher to even be commenting on a dishwasher. So either (a) you really are eco-friendly and don’t use a dishwasher, which then means you aren’t knowledgeable enough to talk about which dishwasher is better or (b) you really are an expert in which dishwasher is better because you took the time to shop for one… But then, that means you aren’t eco-friendly given your expected carbon footprint for an individual.

In either case, it doesn’t look good for you either way, because in either scenario, you clearly aren’t walking your talk. But hey, it’s ok. There’s a lot of this on piggington these days. It’s right up there with the 529k advice from folks that have no 529k or no kids.

So like I said,

Ok, Boomer.

[Coronita]

Brian,

Ok, Boomer….

[Coronita]

The reason why I recommend a middle tier Whirpool is very simple.

Whirpool sticks with much simpler designs that have been tried and proven over decades. They are the largest contractor brand and parts for the volume of appliances are easy to find from not only Whirpool but a bunch of third party. And every appliance repair person knows how to repair a whirpool. Think of it as a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. Simple, reliable, easily serviced, does not drastically change year after year, lots of people can service it. For every home my parents and I lived in, they were all Whirpool and lasted 15-20 years. I replaced my dishwasher in old primary home in San Diego exactly once when I first moved in while it lasted 15 years and never had a service call. I only recently replaced it because I accidentally left it closed with moisture in it for months, and then when I opened it, there was mildew all over the plastic tub, but it was still working, and could have probably lasted a few more years. But $276 was cheap for a brand new one that looked like stainless steel on the outside for now a rental. And while I am not a full on bleeding heart environmentalist…having a dishwasher last 15-20 years is certainly better for the environment than replacing one every 5-7 years. So pay slightly more for the Whirpool/Maytag with the steel tub liner inside if you want to keep it for a long time. The steel tub liner will also cut down on the sound. For rental, go with the cheapest thing since its going to get trashed anyway. It’s just a stupid dishwasher, you don’t need most of the rinse cycles, and the more simple and less “gimicky” the design is, the more reliable it will be, just like Honda Civics/Toyota Corollas

It’s like the Whirpool Series 60 washers and dryers that have a reputation of being reliable, cheap to fix,and clean really well … often times better than most of the new front loading washers that also break down more easily. again, it’s also a stupid washer and dryer. Who cares how fancy it looks

GE was never really that great, and recently GE was bought by Chinese firm Haier.

Bosch was never known for reliability, just like German cars.

LG & Samsung are slightly more reliable than Bosch, but when they do go out parts supply might be lacking, and they generally cost a lot more to repair, because when they go out, it’s most likely the complicated electronics they put into them, that are not field servicable and must require an entire logic board/etc to be replaced.

Kenmore, I wouldn’t buy unless you know which manufacturer they are contracting with. A long time ago, Kenmore appliances were basically rebadged Whirpools, and that was one of the major reasons with Kenmore brands were very popular. Then they went to the less reliable GE. Then they went to LG and Samsung.

Oh, and check out Lowe’s too. They are pretty good too. I bought appliances there too.

https://www.lowes.com/c/Dishwashers-Appliances?int_cmp=Appliances%3AC%3AMajorAppliances%3AMerch%3AAppliances_Dishwashers

Most people have better ways to spend money than on stupid appliances that are there only for utility, and most of them all look the same these days in stainless steel facades, and it’s probably never going to come up in those conversations “I’m better than you because my dishwasher is a Bosch or LG or Samsung etc”… Nobody cares. It’s a stupid dishwasher.

[Coronita]

[quote=bibsoconner]Thanks Flu,

FYI, the same model Whirlpool is available at Costco for $1.99 more. I mention this because somebody (you?) mentioned the warranty is extended at Costco if you pay with Costco credit card.

Currently 329.99 at Costco
328.00 at Home Depot.

Thanks![/quote]

The one I got is plastic inside. I would get the slightly more expensive version with stainless steel inside for personal use

double-check Costco’s warranty and credit card warranty. Remember that the extended was when it was American Express. I don’t know if that has changed now it’s Citibank.

Also the Costco 2+2 warranty is for electronics. I am not sure if it covers appliances. It might not .

[Coronita]

I bought a whirpool from home Depot for about $290. For personal use, I would spend an extra $70 to get the same one with a stainless steel bin.

For rental, the plastic tub is fine since they usually need to replaced more frequently

made in USA too.

sorry I was wrong. It was $276 in October. And it was free delivery and haul away of old one. I did a self install, so no installation charges. dishwashers are pretty easy to install.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool-Front-Control-Built-in-Tall-Tub-Dishwasher-in-Monochromatic-Stainless-Steel-with-1-Hour-Wash-Cycle-55-dBA-WDF520PADM/205506225

the ones with a steel bin inside are usually $100 more. if this was my own owner occupied home I would probably get this Maytag.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Maytag-Front-Control-Built-In-Tall-Tub-Dishwasher-in-Fingerprint-Resistant-Stainless-Steel-50-dBA-MDB4949SHZ/305908132

Maytag is owned by Whirpool and both Maytag and Whirpool are pretty reliable and not that expensive.

I’d stay away from GE (which is basically Haier now). I’d also stay away from Samsung and LG. when they break down (not a question of if), they will be expensive to repair

You might also want to consider spending $95 to get an extended 5 year warranty especially if it’s a rental.

oh, and if you don’t already have one, I would run a solid copper water supply lines not one of those plastic or even steel braided supply lines. A copper line will probably last 20+years without worrying about it bursting.

[Coronita]

Lol. These Wall Street “Analysts” are so full of shet, it’s laughable. A few years ago, all these “experts” were rating AMD at a sell when the stock price was $3.50-$4/share, and many were saying they would be going bankrupt soon.

That $4/share share turned into $10-15/share when Ryzen 1xxx series came out. The analyts then said it was still a sell and the stock was going to cave back down to $5/share. Then Epyc Rome came out… Then the stock jumped to the $20ies… The analysts then said the stock was a hold at $15/share….Then Ryzen 2xxx series came out… Then the stock went to the $30ies…. Then Ryzen2 3xxx series came out Epyc Rome came out that trounces Intel server solutions at half the cost, and Naples GPU that can hold weight against Nvidia, all on 7nm while Intel is still stuck on 14nm+++++++++ And now that the stock is at a ridiculous $40/share with a P/E of 212, all the analysts are changing their tune and putting all this analysis data on why this stock is close to a $50/share stock and it’s suddenly a “buy”

Really?

Morale of the story. Analysts have no idea what they are doing and all those fancy data/charts they use to back up their stock price assertions is just selective picking of data to get the data to “fit” the assertions, regardless of how ridiculous those assertions are.

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/ac3b08e1-2b85-355a-9c2d-37f06fc1bcb2/amd-stock-gets-another-higher.html

I’m sorry, this is the most absurd thing imaginable.
Why not just set the price target at $100/share and be done with it. I wouldn’t mind. Also, I have to admit, I do enjoy watching short sellers get their asses kicked… bigtime.

[Coronita]

Not really. It won’t do didly.

[Coronita]

The vacancy tax only applies if you don’t rent out your place more than 1/2 of the year. But if you flip the property quickly, it’s not even a full year. Plus there’s exclusions for loss of time of use due to things like remodeling/construction/etc.

[Coronita]

Interesting perspective.

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler]I was at a free stock seminar yesterday and I heard two things I thought were interesting.

1) The US FED was quietly keeping Europe banks and Deutsche bank particularly solvent by injecting 50 billion dollars “per-day” (already exceeding all the 2008-9 bail out over the last year). (not sure the above is true “it was a free seminar lol” but I thought it interesting).

2) The brokers have not completely figured out how to make money with free trading yet.

IMO No one seems interested in pulling the punch bowl away yet.[/quote]

I’m thinking we’ll keep kicking the can down the road as long as we can..that’s why I’m not entirely convinced moving to cash is a right decision. One foot in, one foot out. Maybe I’ll buy another property, lol

who cases if property values correct a bit. It was bought with funny money stock market gains anyway. at least property is tangible.

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler]I don’t even want to look at mine LOL.

I am only about 30% stocks, 70% bonds so I will be lucky to get 10%.

I sold DIS at 120 last year so that is my biggest regret.[/quote]

60/40 is generally my split between stock and and bonds+short term. “Because that’s what they say.” I don’t know why I dipped below that Listening to doomsayers that constantly say the world is ending can be hazardous to one’s retirement financial health.

I guess I’m in good company.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/about-55-of-wealthy-investors-are-bracing-for-a-significant-drop-before-the-end-of-2020-ubs-survey-shows-2019-11-12?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

[Coronita]

This really sucks. My 401k allocation is all fvcked up now.[img_assist|nid=26901|title=|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=500]

After my latest rebalance, only 36% is domestic stock, 14% is foreign stock. The rest is bonds (28%) short term (22%) and a bunch of minute stuff that doesn’t matter. No wonder the 401k is underperforming everything else, only 19.2% ytd

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Can’t win them all flu, just need to win more than you lose.

You have a lot of company as well, a lot of retail investors are watching the market go up from the side lines.[/quote]

Dow up another 200+pts today…. Dang

[Coronita]

This never fails. Whenever I sell a part of my holdings and move it into cash to go for that safer path….Things go up.

Damn you AMD and the stock market. Who would have thought a single digit stock would end up at $39 a few years later. This sucks.

[Coronita]

Car companies have figured out they make a heck of a lot more money selling the financing for their cars than then the cars themselves. Yes, many people in this country finance everything. Some random guy that I know from someone else spent $4000 on a water filter system and financed the thing over the next 5 years.

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