[carlsbadworker]

eavesdropper, two more viewpoints for you to consider.

1. Yes, in some of these countries, people may not have a “choice” in life. But I think that’s exactly the reason that American have no reasons to bitch about things. We have so many choices available to us to improve our lots, that the rest of the world could only dream about.

2. Yes, the corporations might be screwing US tax payers, but maximizing profits is what corporations do. But that standard, how much more screwed are the foreigners, where US corporations went there, paying under “50 cents an hour” , lowering “environmental standard” (which is just a nice way of saying exploiting their natural resources and killing people over long term via pollution), and dispatching the majority of the earning as profits, which are owned mainly by US citizens through their pensions and 401Ks, etc. As for Chinese trade surplus in US, they are only allowed to buy the worthless treasury notes that might actually default this summer (look at how many times the Congress has blocked Chinese from purchasing US companies/resources citing national security).

I could understand some of your views that the shit that American taxpayer took in this deal. But life is full of shits. And if you open your eyes to the rest of the world, you will find that we are actually living like royal family (which by the way, take shits from the public from time to time as well).

[carlsbadworker]

eavesdropper, two more viewpoints for you to consider.

1. Yes, in some of these countries, people may not have a “choice” in life. But I think that’s exactly the reason that American have no reasons to bitch about things. We have so many choices available to us to improve our lots, that the rest of the world could only dream about.

2. Yes, the corporations might be screwing US tax payers, but maximizing profits is what corporations do. But that standard, how much more screwed are the foreigners, where US corporations went there, paying under “50 cents an hour” , lowering “environmental standard” (which is just a nice way of saying exploiting their natural resources and killing people over long term via pollution), and dispatching the majority of the earning as profits, which are owned mainly by US citizens through their pensions and 401Ks, etc. As for Chinese trade surplus in US, they are only allowed to buy the worthless treasury notes that might actually default this summer (look at how many times the Congress has blocked Chinese from purchasing US companies/resources citing national security).

I could understand some of your views that the shit that American taxpayer took in this deal. But life is full of shits. And if you open your eyes to the rest of the world, you will find that we are actually living like royal family (which by the way, take shits from the public from time to time as well).

[carlsbadworker]

eavesdropper, two more viewpoints for you to consider.

1. Yes, in some of these countries, people may not have a “choice” in life. But I think that’s exactly the reason that American have no reasons to bitch about things. We have so many choices available to us to improve our lots, that the rest of the world could only dream about.

2. Yes, the corporations might be screwing US tax payers, but maximizing profits is what corporations do. But that standard, how much more screwed are the foreigners, where US corporations went there, paying under “50 cents an hour” , lowering “environmental standard” (which is just a nice way of saying exploiting their natural resources and killing people over long term via pollution), and dispatching the majority of the earning as profits, which are owned mainly by US citizens through their pensions and 401Ks, etc. As for Chinese trade surplus in US, they are only allowed to buy the worthless treasury notes that might actually default this summer (look at how many times the Congress has blocked Chinese from purchasing US companies/resources citing national security).

I could understand some of your views that the shit that American taxpayer took in this deal. But life is full of shits. And if you open your eyes to the rest of the world, you will find that we are actually living like royal family (which by the way, take shits from the public from time to time as well).

[carlsbadworker]

eavesdropper, two more viewpoints for you to consider.

1. Yes, in some of these countries, people may not have a “choice” in life. But I think that’s exactly the reason that American have no reasons to bitch about things. We have so many choices available to us to improve our lots, that the rest of the world could only dream about.

2. Yes, the corporations might be screwing US tax payers, but maximizing profits is what corporations do. But that standard, how much more screwed are the foreigners, where US corporations went there, paying under “50 cents an hour” , lowering “environmental standard” (which is just a nice way of saying exploiting their natural resources and killing people over long term via pollution), and dispatching the majority of the earning as profits, which are owned mainly by US citizens through their pensions and 401Ks, etc. As for Chinese trade surplus in US, they are only allowed to buy the worthless treasury notes that might actually default this summer (look at how many times the Congress has blocked Chinese from purchasing US companies/resources citing national security).

I could understand some of your views that the shit that American taxpayer took in this deal. But life is full of shits. And if you open your eyes to the rest of the world, you will find that we are actually living like royal family (which by the way, take shits from the public from time to time as well).

[carlsbadworker]

eavesdropper, two more viewpoints for you to consider.

1. Yes, in some of these countries, people may not have a “choice” in life. But I think that’s exactly the reason that American have no reasons to bitch about things. We have so many choices available to us to improve our lots, that the rest of the world could only dream about.

2. Yes, the corporations might be screwing US tax payers, but maximizing profits is what corporations do. But that standard, how much more screwed are the foreigners, where US corporations went there, paying under “50 cents an hour” , lowering “environmental standard” (which is just a nice way of saying exploiting their natural resources and killing people over long term via pollution), and dispatching the majority of the earning as profits, which are owned mainly by US citizens through their pensions and 401Ks, etc. As for Chinese trade surplus in US, they are only allowed to buy the worthless treasury notes that might actually default this summer (look at how many times the Congress has blocked Chinese from purchasing US companies/resources citing national security).

I could understand some of your views that the shit that American taxpayer took in this deal. But life is full of shits. And if you open your eyes to the rest of the world, you will find that we are actually living like royal family (which by the way, take shits from the public from time to time as well).

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CA renter]
They are “our” jobs because the multinationals want to sell to us — we are still the most profitable market to them. We’re not talking about jobs that require math skills, but traditional manufacturing jobs. We used to make our own goods right here in the USA, and they were better and longer-lasting than the cheap, plastic, toxic crap that we now get from China.

The only reason OUR jobs have gone overseas is because labor is dirt cheap (and no pesky worker protections there, either) and environmental protections are almost non-existent. Let’s not fool ourselves here — the jobs have been going overseas in order to increase corporate margins. Americans are NOT getting any benefits from this “globalization,” so there is no need for us to continue with this failed experiment.

If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us. No more games with debt masking our shrinking standard of living and reduced purchasing power. It’s really that simple.[/quote]

‘If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us.” Who is us? American consumers have voted with their wallets on how they want the corporate America to conduct the business.

Yes, dirt cheap labor with no worker protection. But that’s exactly the reason they are entitled to these jobs, because workers there are tolerating such “abuses” in order to create a brighter future for themselves. If you think people who have that kind of spirit are less entitled to the jobs comparing to a bunch of whining American, and condemn these people to be jobless instead, I have nothing else to argue about with you.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CA renter]
They are “our” jobs because the multinationals want to sell to us — we are still the most profitable market to them. We’re not talking about jobs that require math skills, but traditional manufacturing jobs. We used to make our own goods right here in the USA, and they were better and longer-lasting than the cheap, plastic, toxic crap that we now get from China.

The only reason OUR jobs have gone overseas is because labor is dirt cheap (and no pesky worker protections there, either) and environmental protections are almost non-existent. Let’s not fool ourselves here — the jobs have been going overseas in order to increase corporate margins. Americans are NOT getting any benefits from this “globalization,” so there is no need for us to continue with this failed experiment.

If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us. No more games with debt masking our shrinking standard of living and reduced purchasing power. It’s really that simple.[/quote]

‘If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us.” Who is us? American consumers have voted with their wallets on how they want the corporate America to conduct the business.

Yes, dirt cheap labor with no worker protection. But that’s exactly the reason they are entitled to these jobs, because workers there are tolerating such “abuses” in order to create a brighter future for themselves. If you think people who have that kind of spirit are less entitled to the jobs comparing to a bunch of whining American, and condemn these people to be jobless instead, I have nothing else to argue about with you.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CA renter]
They are “our” jobs because the multinationals want to sell to us — we are still the most profitable market to them. We’re not talking about jobs that require math skills, but traditional manufacturing jobs. We used to make our own goods right here in the USA, and they were better and longer-lasting than the cheap, plastic, toxic crap that we now get from China.

The only reason OUR jobs have gone overseas is because labor is dirt cheap (and no pesky worker protections there, either) and environmental protections are almost non-existent. Let’s not fool ourselves here — the jobs have been going overseas in order to increase corporate margins. Americans are NOT getting any benefits from this “globalization,” so there is no need for us to continue with this failed experiment.

If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us. No more games with debt masking our shrinking standard of living and reduced purchasing power. It’s really that simple.[/quote]

‘If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us.” Who is us? American consumers have voted with their wallets on how they want the corporate America to conduct the business.

Yes, dirt cheap labor with no worker protection. But that’s exactly the reason they are entitled to these jobs, because workers there are tolerating such “abuses” in order to create a brighter future for themselves. If you think people who have that kind of spirit are less entitled to the jobs comparing to a bunch of whining American, and condemn these people to be jobless instead, I have nothing else to argue about with you.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CA renter]
They are “our” jobs because the multinationals want to sell to us — we are still the most profitable market to them. We’re not talking about jobs that require math skills, but traditional manufacturing jobs. We used to make our own goods right here in the USA, and they were better and longer-lasting than the cheap, plastic, toxic crap that we now get from China.

The only reason OUR jobs have gone overseas is because labor is dirt cheap (and no pesky worker protections there, either) and environmental protections are almost non-existent. Let’s not fool ourselves here — the jobs have been going overseas in order to increase corporate margins. Americans are NOT getting any benefits from this “globalization,” so there is no need for us to continue with this failed experiment.

If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us. No more games with debt masking our shrinking standard of living and reduced purchasing power. It’s really that simple.[/quote]

‘If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us.” Who is us? American consumers have voted with their wallets on how they want the corporate America to conduct the business.

Yes, dirt cheap labor with no worker protection. But that’s exactly the reason they are entitled to these jobs, because workers there are tolerating such “abuses” in order to create a brighter future for themselves. If you think people who have that kind of spirit are less entitled to the jobs comparing to a bunch of whining American, and condemn these people to be jobless instead, I have nothing else to argue about with you.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=CA renter]
They are “our” jobs because the multinationals want to sell to us — we are still the most profitable market to them. We’re not talking about jobs that require math skills, but traditional manufacturing jobs. We used to make our own goods right here in the USA, and they were better and longer-lasting than the cheap, plastic, toxic crap that we now get from China.

The only reason OUR jobs have gone overseas is because labor is dirt cheap (and no pesky worker protections there, either) and environmental protections are almost non-existent. Let’s not fool ourselves here — the jobs have been going overseas in order to increase corporate margins. Americans are NOT getting any benefits from this “globalization,” so there is no need for us to continue with this failed experiment.

If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us. No more games with debt masking our shrinking standard of living and reduced purchasing power. It’s really that simple.[/quote]

‘If they want to sell to us, then they need to employ us.” Who is us? American consumers have voted with their wallets on how they want the corporate America to conduct the business.

Yes, dirt cheap labor with no worker protection. But that’s exactly the reason they are entitled to these jobs, because workers there are tolerating such “abuses” in order to create a brighter future for themselves. If you think people who have that kind of spirit are less entitled to the jobs comparing to a bunch of whining American, and condemn these people to be jobless instead, I have nothing else to argue about with you.

[carlsbadworker]

I will say that’s one of the most ridiculous comment I read from CAR. Why do you think it is “our jobs”? What entitled US people to those jobs when they ask for “a decent living wage” but do not have the skill set to match it.
Foreigners (Chinese, Indian, etc) have all the money because they are good math: they know one must spend less to have a rainy day fund. If only US people (including their government) can cut their spending level to the level of foreigners, all the problems that you have stated would solve themselves.

[carlsbadworker]

I will say that’s one of the most ridiculous comment I read from CAR. Why do you think it is “our jobs”? What entitled US people to those jobs when they ask for “a decent living wage” but do not have the skill set to match it.
Foreigners (Chinese, Indian, etc) have all the money because they are good math: they know one must spend less to have a rainy day fund. If only US people (including their government) can cut their spending level to the level of foreigners, all the problems that you have stated would solve themselves.

[carlsbadworker]

I will say that’s one of the most ridiculous comment I read from CAR. Why do you think it is “our jobs”? What entitled US people to those jobs when they ask for “a decent living wage” but do not have the skill set to match it.
Foreigners (Chinese, Indian, etc) have all the money because they are good math: they know one must spend less to have a rainy day fund. If only US people (including their government) can cut their spending level to the level of foreigners, all the problems that you have stated would solve themselves.

[carlsbadworker]

I will say that’s one of the most ridiculous comment I read from CAR. Why do you think it is “our jobs”? What entitled US people to those jobs when they ask for “a decent living wage” but do not have the skill set to match it.
Foreigners (Chinese, Indian, etc) have all the money because they are good math: they know one must spend less to have a rainy day fund. If only US people (including their government) can cut their spending level to the level of foreigners, all the problems that you have stated would solve themselves.

[carlsbadworker]

I will say that’s one of the most ridiculous comment I read from CAR. Why do you think it is “our jobs”? What entitled US people to those jobs when they ask for “a decent living wage” but do not have the skill set to match it.
Foreigners (Chinese, Indian, etc) have all the money because they are good math: they know one must spend less to have a rainy day fund. If only US people (including their government) can cut their spending level to the level of foreigners, all the problems that you have stated would solve themselves.

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