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November 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM in reply to: OT: It’s official – the majority of Californians are idiots. #300507
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantThe answer to the Prop 8 question as to why they chose to not display “couples” is quite simple. You have to frame arguments in such a way as to not seem completely liberal if you want to win anything.
Take tax cuts. Pelosi would like to do away with the Bush tax cuts. Obama actually has to win a national election not in some NoCal dreamworld. Typically when I hear a Biden or Obama speech at the end I feel as if they are as military-minded as Joe-6-pack, not the typical pacifist liberal you’d find on the internets….
The years of Dukakis stumbling and bumbling over questions about his wife getting raped taught the democrats well. When you want to win a national election don’t sound like an ivory-tower pontificating liberal. Or, we’ve all seen the assemblyman/congressman type races where a democrat talks tough of crime, despite the fact that in general we view left-wingers as being more of the rehabilitation types. Similarly here in California, if you want to get something like Prop 8 passed, it’s much easier to show all of the common people affected by having gay relatives rather than the couples themselves. People can relate to a set of old folks bemoaning about how unfair it is for their kid because they probably know people who’ve wrestled with that issue.
Thus I don’t find what they did disingenuous at all. Rather I’d say it was to be expected and realistically well thought out. We’ll never really know but my guess is it made the race closer.
November 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM in reply to: OT: It’s official – the majority of Californians are idiots. #300864ParticipantThe answer to the Prop 8 question as to why they chose to not display “couples” is quite simple. You have to frame arguments in such a way as to not seem completely liberal if you want to win anything.
Take tax cuts. Pelosi would like to do away with the Bush tax cuts. Obama actually has to win a national election not in some NoCal dreamworld. Typically when I hear a Biden or Obama speech at the end I feel as if they are as military-minded as Joe-6-pack, not the typical pacifist liberal you’d find on the internets….
The years of Dukakis stumbling and bumbling over questions about his wife getting raped taught the democrats well. When you want to win a national election don’t sound like an ivory-tower pontificating liberal. Or, we’ve all seen the assemblyman/congressman type races where a democrat talks tough of crime, despite the fact that in general we view left-wingers as being more of the rehabilitation types. Similarly here in California, if you want to get something like Prop 8 passed, it’s much easier to show all of the common people affected by having gay relatives rather than the couples themselves. People can relate to a set of old folks bemoaning about how unfair it is for their kid because they probably know people who’ve wrestled with that issue.
Thus I don’t find what they did disingenuous at all. Rather I’d say it was to be expected and realistically well thought out. We’ll never really know but my guess is it made the race closer.
November 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM in reply to: OT: It’s official – the majority of Californians are idiots. #300874ParticipantThe answer to the Prop 8 question as to why they chose to not display “couples” is quite simple. You have to frame arguments in such a way as to not seem completely liberal if you want to win anything.
Take tax cuts. Pelosi would like to do away with the Bush tax cuts. Obama actually has to win a national election not in some NoCal dreamworld. Typically when I hear a Biden or Obama speech at the end I feel as if they are as military-minded as Joe-6-pack, not the typical pacifist liberal you’d find on the internets….
The years of Dukakis stumbling and bumbling over questions about his wife getting raped taught the democrats well. When you want to win a national election don’t sound like an ivory-tower pontificating liberal. Or, we’ve all seen the assemblyman/congressman type races where a democrat talks tough of crime, despite the fact that in general we view left-wingers as being more of the rehabilitation types. Similarly here in California, if you want to get something like Prop 8 passed, it’s much easier to show all of the common people affected by having gay relatives rather than the couples themselves. People can relate to a set of old folks bemoaning about how unfair it is for their kid because they probably know people who’ve wrestled with that issue.
Thus I don’t find what they did disingenuous at all. Rather I’d say it was to be expected and realistically well thought out. We’ll never really know but my guess is it made the race closer.
November 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM in reply to: OT: It’s official – the majority of Californians are idiots. #300888ParticipantThe answer to the Prop 8 question as to why they chose to not display “couples” is quite simple. You have to frame arguments in such a way as to not seem completely liberal if you want to win anything.
Take tax cuts. Pelosi would like to do away with the Bush tax cuts. Obama actually has to win a national election not in some NoCal dreamworld. Typically when I hear a Biden or Obama speech at the end I feel as if they are as military-minded as Joe-6-pack, not the typical pacifist liberal you’d find on the internets….
The years of Dukakis stumbling and bumbling over questions about his wife getting raped taught the democrats well. When you want to win a national election don’t sound like an ivory-tower pontificating liberal. Or, we’ve all seen the assemblyman/congressman type races where a democrat talks tough of crime, despite the fact that in general we view left-wingers as being more of the rehabilitation types. Similarly here in California, if you want to get something like Prop 8 passed, it’s much easier to show all of the common people affected by having gay relatives rather than the couples themselves. People can relate to a set of old folks bemoaning about how unfair it is for their kid because they probably know people who’ve wrestled with that issue.
Thus I don’t find what they did disingenuous at all. Rather I’d say it was to be expected and realistically well thought out. We’ll never really know but my guess is it made the race closer.
November 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM in reply to: OT: It’s official – the majority of Californians are idiots. #300941ParticipantThe answer to the Prop 8 question as to why they chose to not display “couples” is quite simple. You have to frame arguments in such a way as to not seem completely liberal if you want to win anything.
Take tax cuts. Pelosi would like to do away with the Bush tax cuts. Obama actually has to win a national election not in some NoCal dreamworld. Typically when I hear a Biden or Obama speech at the end I feel as if they are as military-minded as Joe-6-pack, not the typical pacifist liberal you’d find on the internets….
The years of Dukakis stumbling and bumbling over questions about his wife getting raped taught the democrats well. When you want to win a national election don’t sound like an ivory-tower pontificating liberal. Or, we’ve all seen the assemblyman/congressman type races where a democrat talks tough of crime, despite the fact that in general we view left-wingers as being more of the rehabilitation types. Similarly here in California, if you want to get something like Prop 8 passed, it’s much easier to show all of the common people affected by having gay relatives rather than the couples themselves. People can relate to a set of old folks bemoaning about how unfair it is for their kid because they probably know people who’ve wrestled with that issue.
Thus I don’t find what they did disingenuous at all. Rather I’d say it was to be expected and realistically well thought out. We’ll never really know but my guess is it made the race closer.
ParticipantLooks like Coleman-Franken back to recount I need to turn in. I should have been putting back some Pale Ale’s tonight to keep up with yuns guys (western pa speak)..
ParticipantLooks like Coleman-Franken back to recount I need to turn in. I should have been putting back some Pale Ale’s tonight to keep up with yuns guys (western pa speak)..
ParticipantLooks like Coleman-Franken back to recount I need to turn in. I should have been putting back some Pale Ale’s tonight to keep up with yuns guys (western pa speak)..
ParticipantLooks like Coleman-Franken back to recount I need to turn in. I should have been putting back some Pale Ale’s tonight to keep up with yuns guys (western pa speak)..
ParticipantLooks like Coleman-Franken back to recount I need to turn in. I should have been putting back some Pale Ale’s tonight to keep up with yuns guys (western pa speak)..
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=CardiffBaseball]Actually someone created the Lakelet account precisely to dig back at my wrinkled mutha. Since there aren’t many Marion defenders on the internets, I presumed she created the Lakelet account. Maybe she has a husband now? Can’t be a wife because she was against gay marriage…[/quote]
Still does not explain your reference to her immediately followed by a fairly convincing impression of her.[/quote]
Look, you can take issue with my comment and that’s fine, but just say it. I logged to see a crapload of Marion threads, and made a quick snide comment, without realizing all that stuff would be deleted so I wish I hadn’t said anything since a mod took care of it. So someone named Lakelet responds in kind, and I simply said hey Marion learn to quote because I assume Lakelet was also Marion who created the account after the other was banned. Really it could be anyone but sure as hell not me. I’ve been around 3 or 4 years, why would I play games? You might take issue with how or what I think, but I don’t have any history here of playing games like that.
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=CardiffBaseball]Actually someone created the Lakelet account precisely to dig back at my wrinkled mutha. Since there aren’t many Marion defenders on the internets, I presumed she created the Lakelet account. Maybe she has a husband now? Can’t be a wife because she was against gay marriage…[/quote]
Still does not explain your reference to her immediately followed by a fairly convincing impression of her.[/quote]
Look, you can take issue with my comment and that’s fine, but just say it. I logged to see a crapload of Marion threads, and made a quick snide comment, without realizing all that stuff would be deleted so I wish I hadn’t said anything since a mod took care of it. So someone named Lakelet responds in kind, and I simply said hey Marion learn to quote because I assume Lakelet was also Marion who created the account after the other was banned. Really it could be anyone but sure as hell not me. I’ve been around 3 or 4 years, why would I play games? You might take issue with how or what I think, but I don’t have any history here of playing games like that.
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=CardiffBaseball]Actually someone created the Lakelet account precisely to dig back at my wrinkled mutha. Since there aren’t many Marion defenders on the internets, I presumed she created the Lakelet account. Maybe she has a husband now? Can’t be a wife because she was against gay marriage…[/quote]
Still does not explain your reference to her immediately followed by a fairly convincing impression of her.[/quote]
Look, you can take issue with my comment and that’s fine, but just say it. I logged to see a crapload of Marion threads, and made a quick snide comment, without realizing all that stuff would be deleted so I wish I hadn’t said anything since a mod took care of it. So someone named Lakelet responds in kind, and I simply said hey Marion learn to quote because I assume Lakelet was also Marion who created the account after the other was banned. Really it could be anyone but sure as hell not me. I’ve been around 3 or 4 years, why would I play games? You might take issue with how or what I think, but I don’t have any history here of playing games like that.
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=CardiffBaseball]Actually someone created the Lakelet account precisely to dig back at my wrinkled mutha. Since there aren’t many Marion defenders on the internets, I presumed she created the Lakelet account. Maybe she has a husband now? Can’t be a wife because she was against gay marriage…[/quote]
Still does not explain your reference to her immediately followed by a fairly convincing impression of her.[/quote]
Look, you can take issue with my comment and that’s fine, but just say it. I logged to see a crapload of Marion threads, and made a quick snide comment, without realizing all that stuff would be deleted so I wish I hadn’t said anything since a mod took care of it. So someone named Lakelet responds in kind, and I simply said hey Marion learn to quote because I assume Lakelet was also Marion who created the account after the other was banned. Really it could be anyone but sure as hell not me. I’ve been around 3 or 4 years, why would I play games? You might take issue with how or what I think, but I don’t have any history here of playing games like that.
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