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ParticipantArraya,
The Declaration of Independance was written by a bunch of revolutionaries, and would be “illegal” under the Patriot Act.
That type of radical thought cannot be tolerated by the real protectors of our freedom, you know – every one who voted for the Patriot Act which gives us freedom by taking away our right to free speach, right to privacy, and right not to be wiretaped or searched without a court order. Oh yea, and the right to file a writ of habius corpus against unlawful detention – prison for life with no charges or trial.
ParticipantArraya,
The Declaration of Independance was written by a bunch of revolutionaries, and would be “illegal” under the Patriot Act.
That type of radical thought cannot be tolerated by the real protectors of our freedom, you know – every one who voted for the Patriot Act which gives us freedom by taking away our right to free speach, right to privacy, and right not to be wiretaped or searched without a court order. Oh yea, and the right to file a writ of habius corpus against unlawful detention – prison for life with no charges or trial.
Participantdavej,
Say inflation is at the upper limit of the 4-5% range suggested – between Williams and the Govt. numbers. That would mean that we are in a recession and probably been in one most of 2007 – negative GDP and even more negative GNP.
If we are already in the second or third quarter of recession before the impact of housing and “Credit” crunch hits, it could be the end of our world as we know it.
Participantdavej,
Say inflation is at the upper limit of the 4-5% range suggested – between Williams and the Govt. numbers. That would mean that we are in a recession and probably been in one most of 2007 – negative GDP and even more negative GNP.
If we are already in the second or third quarter of recession before the impact of housing and “Credit” crunch hits, it could be the end of our world as we know it.
Participantdavej,
Say inflation is at the upper limit of the 4-5% range suggested – between Williams and the Govt. numbers. That would mean that we are in a recession and probably been in one most of 2007 – negative GDP and even more negative GNP.
If we are already in the second or third quarter of recession before the impact of housing and “Credit” crunch hits, it could be the end of our world as we know it.
Participantdavej,
Say inflation is at the upper limit of the 4-5% range suggested – between Williams and the Govt. numbers. That would mean that we are in a recession and probably been in one most of 2007 – negative GDP and even more negative GNP.
If we are already in the second or third quarter of recession before the impact of housing and “Credit” crunch hits, it could be the end of our world as we know it.
Participantdavej,
Say inflation is at the upper limit of the 4-5% range suggested – between Williams and the Govt. numbers. That would mean that we are in a recession and probably been in one most of 2007 – negative GDP and even more negative GNP.
If we are already in the second or third quarter of recession before the impact of housing and “Credit” crunch hits, it could be the end of our world as we know it.
Participant” “You can have all the experience in the world, and still not know how to run the White House.” Faulty logic – but one that I believe will deliver the Presidency to Obama.
Not sure the logic is faulty. The learned, experienced leaders in Washington have started an un-endable war in the mid-east, led us to a housing disaster, let the dollar fall to new lows, while the American worker is losing jobs and wages to overseas global companies. The potential for their lax regulation of financial markets to lead us into a new depression has never been greater – how much derivative action does an efficient market need to hedge prudent transactions? The FDA and EPA have been gutted. Border security is a joke. Health is beyond 40% of Americans.
Short of leading us into WW3, how could an in-experienced leader do much worse?
Participant” “You can have all the experience in the world, and still not know how to run the White House.” Faulty logic – but one that I believe will deliver the Presidency to Obama.
Not sure the logic is faulty. The learned, experienced leaders in Washington have started an un-endable war in the mid-east, led us to a housing disaster, let the dollar fall to new lows, while the American worker is losing jobs and wages to overseas global companies. The potential for their lax regulation of financial markets to lead us into a new depression has never been greater – how much derivative action does an efficient market need to hedge prudent transactions? The FDA and EPA have been gutted. Border security is a joke. Health is beyond 40% of Americans.
Short of leading us into WW3, how could an in-experienced leader do much worse?
Participant” “You can have all the experience in the world, and still not know how to run the White House.” Faulty logic – but one that I believe will deliver the Presidency to Obama.
Not sure the logic is faulty. The learned, experienced leaders in Washington have started an un-endable war in the mid-east, led us to a housing disaster, let the dollar fall to new lows, while the American worker is losing jobs and wages to overseas global companies. The potential for their lax regulation of financial markets to lead us into a new depression has never been greater – how much derivative action does an efficient market need to hedge prudent transactions? The FDA and EPA have been gutted. Border security is a joke. Health is beyond 40% of Americans.
Short of leading us into WW3, how could an in-experienced leader do much worse?
Participant” “You can have all the experience in the world, and still not know how to run the White House.” Faulty logic – but one that I believe will deliver the Presidency to Obama.
Not sure the logic is faulty. The learned, experienced leaders in Washington have started an un-endable war in the mid-east, led us to a housing disaster, let the dollar fall to new lows, while the American worker is losing jobs and wages to overseas global companies. The potential for their lax regulation of financial markets to lead us into a new depression has never been greater – how much derivative action does an efficient market need to hedge prudent transactions? The FDA and EPA have been gutted. Border security is a joke. Health is beyond 40% of Americans.
Short of leading us into WW3, how could an in-experienced leader do much worse?
Participant” “You can have all the experience in the world, and still not know how to run the White House.” Faulty logic – but one that I believe will deliver the Presidency to Obama.
Not sure the logic is faulty. The learned, experienced leaders in Washington have started an un-endable war in the mid-east, led us to a housing disaster, let the dollar fall to new lows, while the American worker is losing jobs and wages to overseas global companies. The potential for their lax regulation of financial markets to lead us into a new depression has never been greater – how much derivative action does an efficient market need to hedge prudent transactions? The FDA and EPA have been gutted. Border security is a joke. Health is beyond 40% of Americans.
Short of leading us into WW3, how could an in-experienced leader do much worse?
ParticipantDaniel,
I follow the argument about using more health care, but if I must pay 15% more for my coverage this year than last, and each visit is 10% more expensive because of higher demand, and CPI says it is only 3%, what is the other 12%?
Is the suggestion that Joe Middle Class does not experience the other 12% increase, or that the benefit of the insurance is now 12% greater to him – so no effect on CPI?
Another question stems from your statement that “most people don’t fully grasp what the CPI measures; it measures changes in the price of the SAME goods or services”. Did you not know that it no longer measures the same bread basket of goods? That various supstitutions and geometric weightings and other inclusions since 1980 prevent it from measuring the SAME goods?
ParticipantDaniel,
I follow the argument about using more health care, but if I must pay 15% more for my coverage this year than last, and each visit is 10% more expensive because of higher demand, and CPI says it is only 3%, what is the other 12%?
Is the suggestion that Joe Middle Class does not experience the other 12% increase, or that the benefit of the insurance is now 12% greater to him – so no effect on CPI?
Another question stems from your statement that “most people don’t fully grasp what the CPI measures; it measures changes in the price of the SAME goods or services”. Did you not know that it no longer measures the same bread basket of goods? That various supstitutions and geometric weightings and other inclusions since 1980 prevent it from measuring the SAME goods?
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