[bubba99]

I think the republicans are trying to lose the presidential race. The herd is really thin, and only represents the lunitic fringe of the party. When did the repubs become the party that:
– denies science (evolution)
– denies global warming
– parades a moose hunting dolt as VP candidate
– has a female candidate married to a gay, gay bashing “gay converter”
– represents only the richest 1% on tax breaks
– embraces the reactionary right christian wack jobs
– wants smaller govt, but insists on preventing a womans right to manage her own body.
– Is willing to let the US default on its financial obligations.

What ever happened to candidates like Lincoln, Teddy Rosevelt, Grant, Eisenhower, Regan? I can’t see any of these past presidents even in the same party as the current candidates.
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[bubba99]

I think the republicans are trying to lose the presidential race. The herd is really thin, and only represents the lunitic fringe of the party. When did the repubs become the party that:
– denies science (evolution)
– denies global warming
– parades a moose hunting dolt as VP candidate
– has a female candidate married to a gay, gay bashing “gay converter”
– represents only the richest 1% on tax breaks
– embraces the reactionary right christian wack jobs
– wants smaller govt, but insists on preventing a womans right to manage her own body.
– Is willing to let the US default on its financial obligations.

What ever happened to candidates like Lincoln, Teddy Rosevelt, Grant, Eisenhower, Regan? I can’t see any of these past presidents even in the same party as the current candidates.
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[bubba99]

I think the republicans are trying to lose the presidential race. The herd is really thin, and only represents the lunitic fringe of the party. When did the repubs become the party that:
– denies science (evolution)
– denies global warming
– parades a moose hunting dolt as VP candidate
– has a female candidate married to a gay, gay bashing “gay converter”
– represents only the richest 1% on tax breaks
– embraces the reactionary right christian wack jobs
– wants smaller govt, but insists on preventing a womans right to manage her own body.
– Is willing to let the US default on its financial obligations.

What ever happened to candidates like Lincoln, Teddy Rosevelt, Grant, Eisenhower, Regan? I can’t see any of these past presidents even in the same party as the current candidates.
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[bubba99]

My favorite analytical site, Shadowstats.com was unable to provide its usually timely analysis of July unemployment
“Due to Bureau of Labor Statistics delays in posting full details of July employment and unemployment”

It looks like the BLS changed the totals at the last minute, and needed more time to “adjust” the detailed inputs that allegedly create the totals.

Things are way worse than the numbers indicate.

[bubba99]

My favorite analytical site, Shadowstats.com was unable to provide its usually timely analysis of July unemployment
“Due to Bureau of Labor Statistics delays in posting full details of July employment and unemployment”

It looks like the BLS changed the totals at the last minute, and needed more time to “adjust” the detailed inputs that allegedly create the totals.

Things are way worse than the numbers indicate.

[bubba99]

My favorite analytical site, Shadowstats.com was unable to provide its usually timely analysis of July unemployment
“Due to Bureau of Labor Statistics delays in posting full details of July employment and unemployment”

It looks like the BLS changed the totals at the last minute, and needed more time to “adjust” the detailed inputs that allegedly create the totals.

Things are way worse than the numbers indicate.

[bubba99]

My favorite analytical site, Shadowstats.com was unable to provide its usually timely analysis of July unemployment
“Due to Bureau of Labor Statistics delays in posting full details of July employment and unemployment”

It looks like the BLS changed the totals at the last minute, and needed more time to “adjust” the detailed inputs that allegedly create the totals.

Things are way worse than the numbers indicate.

[bubba99]

My favorite analytical site, Shadowstats.com was unable to provide its usually timely analysis of July unemployment
“Due to Bureau of Labor Statistics delays in posting full details of July employment and unemployment”

It looks like the BLS changed the totals at the last minute, and needed more time to “adjust” the detailed inputs that allegedly create the totals.

Things are way worse than the numbers indicate.

[bubba99]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=bubba99]
Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?[/quote]

Wow. So, the Crusades were “terrorism”? I’d opine on the Inquisition, but I’m not entirely sure which Inquisition you’re speaking of.

The Roman Inquisition? The Spanish? Portuguese? Which one? The Papal Inquisition?

Good Lord. First off, actually read some history, and, second, COMPREHEND what you’re reading. Failing that, watch some Monty Python. They covered the Spanish Inquisition quite nicely (“nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition”), including Torquemada and the Comfy Chair.

As a Catholic, it never ceases to amaze me how truly ignorant the supposedly “learned” are.[/quote]

I am courious, do you see the Crusades as simply the church trying to educate the miss-informed? By way of the sword?

And which Inquisition is less important than the “Terror” which the church created in the population – fear that they would be next. How do you see the Inquisitions (even the ones parodied in Monte Python) if not as terrorism?

And yes, I see both as Terrorism. Most violence done in the name of the church or patriotism is likely within my definition of Terrorism.

And it does surprise me that some Catholics still refuse to accept the sins of church as real. Both in the dark ages, and currently with the “social” problems so often in the news.

[bubba99]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=bubba99]
Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?[/quote]

Wow. So, the Crusades were “terrorism”? I’d opine on the Inquisition, but I’m not entirely sure which Inquisition you’re speaking of.

The Roman Inquisition? The Spanish? Portuguese? Which one? The Papal Inquisition?

Good Lord. First off, actually read some history, and, second, COMPREHEND what you’re reading. Failing that, watch some Monty Python. They covered the Spanish Inquisition quite nicely (“nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition”), including Torquemada and the Comfy Chair.

As a Catholic, it never ceases to amaze me how truly ignorant the supposedly “learned” are.[/quote]

I am courious, do you see the Crusades as simply the church trying to educate the miss-informed? By way of the sword?

And which Inquisition is less important than the “Terror” which the church created in the population – fear that they would be next. How do you see the Inquisitions (even the ones parodied in Monte Python) if not as terrorism?

And yes, I see both as Terrorism. Most violence done in the name of the church or patriotism is likely within my definition of Terrorism.

And it does surprise me that some Catholics still refuse to accept the sins of church as real. Both in the dark ages, and currently with the “social” problems so often in the news.

[bubba99]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=bubba99]
Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?[/quote]

Wow. So, the Crusades were “terrorism”? I’d opine on the Inquisition, but I’m not entirely sure which Inquisition you’re speaking of.

The Roman Inquisition? The Spanish? Portuguese? Which one? The Papal Inquisition?

Good Lord. First off, actually read some history, and, second, COMPREHEND what you’re reading. Failing that, watch some Monty Python. They covered the Spanish Inquisition quite nicely (“nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition”), including Torquemada and the Comfy Chair.

As a Catholic, it never ceases to amaze me how truly ignorant the supposedly “learned” are.[/quote]

I am courious, do you see the Crusades as simply the church trying to educate the miss-informed? By way of the sword?

And which Inquisition is less important than the “Terror” which the church created in the population – fear that they would be next. How do you see the Inquisitions (even the ones parodied in Monte Python) if not as terrorism?

And yes, I see both as Terrorism. Most violence done in the name of the church or patriotism is likely within my definition of Terrorism.

And it does surprise me that some Catholics still refuse to accept the sins of church as real. Both in the dark ages, and currently with the “social” problems so often in the news.

[bubba99]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=bubba99]
Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?[/quote]

Wow. So, the Crusades were “terrorism”? I’d opine on the Inquisition, but I’m not entirely sure which Inquisition you’re speaking of.

The Roman Inquisition? The Spanish? Portuguese? Which one? The Papal Inquisition?

Good Lord. First off, actually read some history, and, second, COMPREHEND what you’re reading. Failing that, watch some Monty Python. They covered the Spanish Inquisition quite nicely (“nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition”), including Torquemada and the Comfy Chair.

As a Catholic, it never ceases to amaze me how truly ignorant the supposedly “learned” are.[/quote]

I am courious, do you see the Crusades as simply the church trying to educate the miss-informed? By way of the sword?

And which Inquisition is less important than the “Terror” which the church created in the population – fear that they would be next. How do you see the Inquisitions (even the ones parodied in Monte Python) if not as terrorism?

And yes, I see both as Terrorism. Most violence done in the name of the church or patriotism is likely within my definition of Terrorism.

And it does surprise me that some Catholics still refuse to accept the sins of church as real. Both in the dark ages, and currently with the “social” problems so often in the news.

[bubba99]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=bubba99]
Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?[/quote]

Wow. So, the Crusades were “terrorism”? I’d opine on the Inquisition, but I’m not entirely sure which Inquisition you’re speaking of.

The Roman Inquisition? The Spanish? Portuguese? Which one? The Papal Inquisition?

Good Lord. First off, actually read some history, and, second, COMPREHEND what you’re reading. Failing that, watch some Monty Python. They covered the Spanish Inquisition quite nicely (“nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition”), including Torquemada and the Comfy Chair.

As a Catholic, it never ceases to amaze me how truly ignorant the supposedly “learned” are.[/quote]

I am courious, do you see the Crusades as simply the church trying to educate the miss-informed? By way of the sword?

And which Inquisition is less important than the “Terror” which the church created in the population – fear that they would be next. How do you see the Inquisitions (even the ones parodied in Monte Python) if not as terrorism?

And yes, I see both as Terrorism. Most violence done in the name of the church or patriotism is likely within my definition of Terrorism.

And it does surprise me that some Catholics still refuse to accept the sins of church as real. Both in the dark ages, and currently with the “social” problems so often in the news.

[bubba99]

[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism. Take a look at the Sermon on the Mount (blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth, etc.) – considered by Christians to be almost on a par with the Ten Commandments. Something about Muslim immigration got this guy going, but that doesn’t make him a “Christian terrorist.”

Also, the fact that one crazy person found inspiration in the ramblings of another crazy person (the Unabomber) is not surprising, any more than the fact that there are crazy Americans that idolize Hitler (for reasons that I’ll never understand).

The only thing this all proves is that crazy people can do horrible things. Period.[/quote]

Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?

[bubba99]

[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism. Take a look at the Sermon on the Mount (blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth, etc.) – considered by Christians to be almost on a par with the Ten Commandments. Something about Muslim immigration got this guy going, but that doesn’t make him a “Christian terrorist.”

Also, the fact that one crazy person found inspiration in the ramblings of another crazy person (the Unabomber) is not surprising, any more than the fact that there are crazy Americans that idolize Hitler (for reasons that I’ll never understand).

The only thing this all proves is that crazy people can do horrible things. Period.[/quote]

Do the Crusades ring a bell?

How about the Inquisition?

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