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bob2007
ParticipantAh yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.
Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.
ParticipantHi Cardiff,
Best of luck with your move and I sincerely wish you well. I moved to SD from the east coast a long time ago. Florida would be the first place I would consider if moving. Rent first so you don’t feel “trapped” in your decision, and more importantly, find a good neighborhood.
When we moved here we walked the dog around areas we were interested in, and chose among the ones where people would wave and say hi as we walked around. There were many.
To add some balance to this thread, I love it here. Didn’t have any problem making good friends, and that is a major reason we don’t want to move.
The government is CA is a mess, but it is in a lot of other places too (not that it makes it ok). Hopefully the pendulum will start to swing the other way again and things will get better.
For those here who keep saying it is so bad, MOVE!. People who whine and don’t do anything about it are underachievers and their perspective should be considered along with their opinions. Adjust your lifestyle, or if you can’t seem to generate enough revenue for the one you want, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, like CardiffB is doing. I have a lot of respect for that.
For those who can’t make friends, how attractive is a friendship with a person who hates where they live? Jeez.
ParticipantHi Cardiff,
Best of luck with your move and I sincerely wish you well. I moved to SD from the east coast a long time ago. Florida would be the first place I would consider if moving. Rent first so you don’t feel “trapped” in your decision, and more importantly, find a good neighborhood.
When we moved here we walked the dog around areas we were interested in, and chose among the ones where people would wave and say hi as we walked around. There were many.
To add some balance to this thread, I love it here. Didn’t have any problem making good friends, and that is a major reason we don’t want to move.
The government is CA is a mess, but it is in a lot of other places too (not that it makes it ok). Hopefully the pendulum will start to swing the other way again and things will get better.
For those here who keep saying it is so bad, MOVE!. People who whine and don’t do anything about it are underachievers and their perspective should be considered along with their opinions. Adjust your lifestyle, or if you can’t seem to generate enough revenue for the one you want, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, like CardiffB is doing. I have a lot of respect for that.
For those who can’t make friends, how attractive is a friendship with a person who hates where they live? Jeez.
ParticipantHi Cardiff,
Best of luck with your move and I sincerely wish you well. I moved to SD from the east coast a long time ago. Florida would be the first place I would consider if moving. Rent first so you don’t feel “trapped” in your decision, and more importantly, find a good neighborhood.
When we moved here we walked the dog around areas we were interested in, and chose among the ones where people would wave and say hi as we walked around. There were many.
To add some balance to this thread, I love it here. Didn’t have any problem making good friends, and that is a major reason we don’t want to move.
The government is CA is a mess, but it is in a lot of other places too (not that it makes it ok). Hopefully the pendulum will start to swing the other way again and things will get better.
For those here who keep saying it is so bad, MOVE!. People who whine and don’t do anything about it are underachievers and their perspective should be considered along with their opinions. Adjust your lifestyle, or if you can’t seem to generate enough revenue for the one you want, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, like CardiffB is doing. I have a lot of respect for that.
For those who can’t make friends, how attractive is a friendship with a person who hates where they live? Jeez.
ParticipantHi Cardiff,
Best of luck with your move and I sincerely wish you well. I moved to SD from the east coast a long time ago. Florida would be the first place I would consider if moving. Rent first so you don’t feel “trapped” in your decision, and more importantly, find a good neighborhood.
When we moved here we walked the dog around areas we were interested in, and chose among the ones where people would wave and say hi as we walked around. There were many.
To add some balance to this thread, I love it here. Didn’t have any problem making good friends, and that is a major reason we don’t want to move.
The government is CA is a mess, but it is in a lot of other places too (not that it makes it ok). Hopefully the pendulum will start to swing the other way again and things will get better.
For those here who keep saying it is so bad, MOVE!. People who whine and don’t do anything about it are underachievers and their perspective should be considered along with their opinions. Adjust your lifestyle, or if you can’t seem to generate enough revenue for the one you want, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, like CardiffB is doing. I have a lot of respect for that.
For those who can’t make friends, how attractive is a friendship with a person who hates where they live? Jeez.
ParticipantHi Cardiff,
Best of luck with your move and I sincerely wish you well. I moved to SD from the east coast a long time ago. Florida would be the first place I would consider if moving. Rent first so you don’t feel “trapped” in your decision, and more importantly, find a good neighborhood.
When we moved here we walked the dog around areas we were interested in, and chose among the ones where people would wave and say hi as we walked around. There were many.
To add some balance to this thread, I love it here. Didn’t have any problem making good friends, and that is a major reason we don’t want to move.
The government is CA is a mess, but it is in a lot of other places too (not that it makes it ok). Hopefully the pendulum will start to swing the other way again and things will get better.
For those here who keep saying it is so bad, MOVE!. People who whine and don’t do anything about it are underachievers and their perspective should be considered along with their opinions. Adjust your lifestyle, or if you can’t seem to generate enough revenue for the one you want, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, like CardiffB is doing. I have a lot of respect for that.
For those who can’t make friends, how attractive is a friendship with a person who hates where they live? Jeez.
ParticipantFist off, I think all this discussion is good. Regardless of how much people hate my comments, they do cover a lot of the corners of this debate.
iforget, your comment:
“Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.”
Then there is nothing stopping YOU from donating and contributing. This would actually be better because the government would not be involved, you could contribute to the cause you prefer, and more of your money could go directly to the people who need it.
With regard to the comments from youself and briands1, it is my opinion that you are both missing some major points:
1. As already noted, services are in place for those sick and dying. Go to and ER, or use medicaid. The sick and dying argument has some major holes. For example, are you saying its ok to take of the people in the US but not the whole world? If your argument does not take every human being on the planet into consideration, how are your comments in this regard that much different than mine?
2. You are ASSUMING the quality and availability will be as good or better. I can pose the same type of question: what if you are sick and dying and the medicine you need is not available? What if the government sponsored system is filled with marginal doctors and they can’t save you? As soon as you remove the reward for working harder things will degrade. That is just human nature. Its also arguable that the government tends to run things badly (both parties).
3. You can’t take more out of an INSURANCE program ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS than you put in. For all those that think they should only have to pay $200 a month for a prescription program, but know that their pre-existing condition means they must draw out $1000 per month, the need to understand this is no longer an insurance issue. Insurance premiums are based on a risk calculation, not sure thing.
ParticipantFist off, I think all this discussion is good. Regardless of how much people hate my comments, they do cover a lot of the corners of this debate.
iforget, your comment:
“Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.”
Then there is nothing stopping YOU from donating and contributing. This would actually be better because the government would not be involved, you could contribute to the cause you prefer, and more of your money could go directly to the people who need it.
With regard to the comments from youself and briands1, it is my opinion that you are both missing some major points:
1. As already noted, services are in place for those sick and dying. Go to and ER, or use medicaid. The sick and dying argument has some major holes. For example, are you saying its ok to take of the people in the US but not the whole world? If your argument does not take every human being on the planet into consideration, how are your comments in this regard that much different than mine?
2. You are ASSUMING the quality and availability will be as good or better. I can pose the same type of question: what if you are sick and dying and the medicine you need is not available? What if the government sponsored system is filled with marginal doctors and they can’t save you? As soon as you remove the reward for working harder things will degrade. That is just human nature. Its also arguable that the government tends to run things badly (both parties).
3. You can’t take more out of an INSURANCE program ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS than you put in. For all those that think they should only have to pay $200 a month for a prescription program, but know that their pre-existing condition means they must draw out $1000 per month, the need to understand this is no longer an insurance issue. Insurance premiums are based on a risk calculation, not sure thing.
ParticipantFist off, I think all this discussion is good. Regardless of how much people hate my comments, they do cover a lot of the corners of this debate.
iforget, your comment:
“Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.”
Then there is nothing stopping YOU from donating and contributing. This would actually be better because the government would not be involved, you could contribute to the cause you prefer, and more of your money could go directly to the people who need it.
With regard to the comments from youself and briands1, it is my opinion that you are both missing some major points:
1. As already noted, services are in place for those sick and dying. Go to and ER, or use medicaid. The sick and dying argument has some major holes. For example, are you saying its ok to take of the people in the US but not the whole world? If your argument does not take every human being on the planet into consideration, how are your comments in this regard that much different than mine?
2. You are ASSUMING the quality and availability will be as good or better. I can pose the same type of question: what if you are sick and dying and the medicine you need is not available? What if the government sponsored system is filled with marginal doctors and they can’t save you? As soon as you remove the reward for working harder things will degrade. That is just human nature. Its also arguable that the government tends to run things badly (both parties).
3. You can’t take more out of an INSURANCE program ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS than you put in. For all those that think they should only have to pay $200 a month for a prescription program, but know that their pre-existing condition means they must draw out $1000 per month, the need to understand this is no longer an insurance issue. Insurance premiums are based on a risk calculation, not sure thing.
ParticipantFist off, I think all this discussion is good. Regardless of how much people hate my comments, they do cover a lot of the corners of this debate.
iforget, your comment:
“Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.”
Then there is nothing stopping YOU from donating and contributing. This would actually be better because the government would not be involved, you could contribute to the cause you prefer, and more of your money could go directly to the people who need it.
With regard to the comments from youself and briands1, it is my opinion that you are both missing some major points:
1. As already noted, services are in place for those sick and dying. Go to and ER, or use medicaid. The sick and dying argument has some major holes. For example, are you saying its ok to take of the people in the US but not the whole world? If your argument does not take every human being on the planet into consideration, how are your comments in this regard that much different than mine?
2. You are ASSUMING the quality and availability will be as good or better. I can pose the same type of question: what if you are sick and dying and the medicine you need is not available? What if the government sponsored system is filled with marginal doctors and they can’t save you? As soon as you remove the reward for working harder things will degrade. That is just human nature. Its also arguable that the government tends to run things badly (both parties).
3. You can’t take more out of an INSURANCE program ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS than you put in. For all those that think they should only have to pay $200 a month for a prescription program, but know that their pre-existing condition means they must draw out $1000 per month, the need to understand this is no longer an insurance issue. Insurance premiums are based on a risk calculation, not sure thing.
ParticipantFist off, I think all this discussion is good. Regardless of how much people hate my comments, they do cover a lot of the corners of this debate.
iforget, your comment:
“Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.”
Then there is nothing stopping YOU from donating and contributing. This would actually be better because the government would not be involved, you could contribute to the cause you prefer, and more of your money could go directly to the people who need it.
With regard to the comments from youself and briands1, it is my opinion that you are both missing some major points:
1. As already noted, services are in place for those sick and dying. Go to and ER, or use medicaid. The sick and dying argument has some major holes. For example, are you saying its ok to take of the people in the US but not the whole world? If your argument does not take every human being on the planet into consideration, how are your comments in this regard that much different than mine?
2. You are ASSUMING the quality and availability will be as good or better. I can pose the same type of question: what if you are sick and dying and the medicine you need is not available? What if the government sponsored system is filled with marginal doctors and they can’t save you? As soon as you remove the reward for working harder things will degrade. That is just human nature. Its also arguable that the government tends to run things badly (both parties).
3. You can’t take more out of an INSURANCE program ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS than you put in. For all those that think they should only have to pay $200 a month for a prescription program, but know that their pre-existing condition means they must draw out $1000 per month, the need to understand this is no longer an insurance issue. Insurance premiums are based on a risk calculation, not sure thing.
ParticipantAll to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?
Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?
This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.
ParticipantAll to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?
Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?
This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.
ParticipantAll to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?
Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?
This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.
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