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BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantTo the pro-prop 23 crowd: Please cite a single environmental regulation that, after going into effect, caused widespread economic damage. BigOil/BigPollution always whines about the sky falling any time a new environmental regulation is proposed, but has there ever been an environmental reg that caused serious damage to the economy?
I can cite plenty of instances where deregulation led to catastrophe (Gulf Oil Spill, mining disasters, and almost complete destruction of the economy due to financial deregulation). Can the pro-prop-23 crowd even cite one environmental regulation that led to economic catastrophe?
By the way, those of you that are characterizing this as a liberal-conservative, left-right issue are idiots:
Campaign finance records show that the No campaign has attracted big donations from Silicon Valley venture capitalists, New York hedge fund managers, national environmental groups and green technology executives.
John Doerr, a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist, and his wife, Ann, have given $2 million to the No campaign. Wendy Schmidt, a philanthropist and wife of Eric Schmidt, Google’s chief executive, donated $500,000 while Lucy Southworth, a Stanford doctoral student and wife of Google co-founder Larry Page, contributed $100,000. Members of San Francisco’s Fisher family, founders of the Gap clothing chain, have donated more than $ 1 million.
More than $800,000 has come from activists who work on behalf of low-income communities afflicted by pollution.
Blue Shield of California, the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Waste Management and other mainstream corporations have also contributed to the No effort.
This is more accurately characterized as a battle between the ‘green energy’ industry and the old, dirty ‘fossil fuel’ industry. This is a battle between the future (clean, green energy) and the past (think Dick Cheney, Standard Oil, smog so thick you can’t see 50 feet in front of you, an oil spill from 1969 off the coast of Santa Barbara that still spews tar balls onto the beach, and destruction of the entire Gulf Coast environment and economy).
If you are in favor of sucking in cancer-causing fumes from companies like BP that destroy entire areas of the country, please vote yes on Prop 23. If you are in favor of keeping California at the forefront of the technological revolution, be sure to vote No on Prop 23.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantTo the pro-prop 23 crowd: Please cite a single environmental regulation that, after going into effect, caused widespread economic damage. BigOil/BigPollution always whines about the sky falling any time a new environmental regulation is proposed, but has there ever been an environmental reg that caused serious damage to the economy?
I can cite plenty of instances where deregulation led to catastrophe (Gulf Oil Spill, mining disasters, and almost complete destruction of the economy due to financial deregulation). Can the pro-prop-23 crowd even cite one environmental regulation that led to economic catastrophe?
By the way, those of you that are characterizing this as a liberal-conservative, left-right issue are idiots:
Campaign finance records show that the No campaign has attracted big donations from Silicon Valley venture capitalists, New York hedge fund managers, national environmental groups and green technology executives.
John Doerr, a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist, and his wife, Ann, have given $2 million to the No campaign. Wendy Schmidt, a philanthropist and wife of Eric Schmidt, Google’s chief executive, donated $500,000 while Lucy Southworth, a Stanford doctoral student and wife of Google co-founder Larry Page, contributed $100,000. Members of San Francisco’s Fisher family, founders of the Gap clothing chain, have donated more than $ 1 million.
More than $800,000 has come from activists who work on behalf of low-income communities afflicted by pollution.
Blue Shield of California, the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Waste Management and other mainstream corporations have also contributed to the No effort.
This is more accurately characterized as a battle between the ‘green energy’ industry and the old, dirty ‘fossil fuel’ industry. This is a battle between the future (clean, green energy) and the past (think Dick Cheney, Standard Oil, smog so thick you can’t see 50 feet in front of you, an oil spill from 1969 off the coast of Santa Barbara that still spews tar balls onto the beach, and destruction of the entire Gulf Coast environment and economy).
If you are in favor of sucking in cancer-causing fumes from companies like BP that destroy entire areas of the country, please vote yes on Prop 23. If you are in favor of keeping California at the forefront of the technological revolution, be sure to vote No on Prop 23.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantTo the pro-prop 23 crowd: Please cite a single environmental regulation that, after going into effect, caused widespread economic damage. BigOil/BigPollution always whines about the sky falling any time a new environmental regulation is proposed, but has there ever been an environmental reg that caused serious damage to the economy?
I can cite plenty of instances where deregulation led to catastrophe (Gulf Oil Spill, mining disasters, and almost complete destruction of the economy due to financial deregulation). Can the pro-prop-23 crowd even cite one environmental regulation that led to economic catastrophe?
By the way, those of you that are characterizing this as a liberal-conservative, left-right issue are idiots:
Campaign finance records show that the No campaign has attracted big donations from Silicon Valley venture capitalists, New York hedge fund managers, national environmental groups and green technology executives.
John Doerr, a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist, and his wife, Ann, have given $2 million to the No campaign. Wendy Schmidt, a philanthropist and wife of Eric Schmidt, Google’s chief executive, donated $500,000 while Lucy Southworth, a Stanford doctoral student and wife of Google co-founder Larry Page, contributed $100,000. Members of San Francisco’s Fisher family, founders of the Gap clothing chain, have donated more than $ 1 million.
More than $800,000 has come from activists who work on behalf of low-income communities afflicted by pollution.
Blue Shield of California, the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Waste Management and other mainstream corporations have also contributed to the No effort.
This is more accurately characterized as a battle between the ‘green energy’ industry and the old, dirty ‘fossil fuel’ industry. This is a battle between the future (clean, green energy) and the past (think Dick Cheney, Standard Oil, smog so thick you can’t see 50 feet in front of you, an oil spill from 1969 off the coast of Santa Barbara that still spews tar balls onto the beach, and destruction of the entire Gulf Coast environment and economy).
If you are in favor of sucking in cancer-causing fumes from companies like BP that destroy entire areas of the country, please vote yes on Prop 23. If you are in favor of keeping California at the forefront of the technological revolution, be sure to vote No on Prop 23.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantTo the pro-prop 23 crowd: Please cite a single environmental regulation that, after going into effect, caused widespread economic damage. BigOil/BigPollution always whines about the sky falling any time a new environmental regulation is proposed, but has there ever been an environmental reg that caused serious damage to the economy?
I can cite plenty of instances where deregulation led to catastrophe (Gulf Oil Spill, mining disasters, and almost complete destruction of the economy due to financial deregulation). Can the pro-prop-23 crowd even cite one environmental regulation that led to economic catastrophe?
By the way, those of you that are characterizing this as a liberal-conservative, left-right issue are idiots:
Campaign finance records show that the No campaign has attracted big donations from Silicon Valley venture capitalists, New York hedge fund managers, national environmental groups and green technology executives.
John Doerr, a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist, and his wife, Ann, have given $2 million to the No campaign. Wendy Schmidt, a philanthropist and wife of Eric Schmidt, Google’s chief executive, donated $500,000 while Lucy Southworth, a Stanford doctoral student and wife of Google co-founder Larry Page, contributed $100,000. Members of San Francisco’s Fisher family, founders of the Gap clothing chain, have donated more than $ 1 million.
More than $800,000 has come from activists who work on behalf of low-income communities afflicted by pollution.
Blue Shield of California, the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Waste Management and other mainstream corporations have also contributed to the No effort.
This is more accurately characterized as a battle between the ‘green energy’ industry and the old, dirty ‘fossil fuel’ industry. This is a battle between the future (clean, green energy) and the past (think Dick Cheney, Standard Oil, smog so thick you can’t see 50 feet in front of you, an oil spill from 1969 off the coast of Santa Barbara that still spews tar balls onto the beach, and destruction of the entire Gulf Coast environment and economy).
If you are in favor of sucking in cancer-causing fumes from companies like BP that destroy entire areas of the country, please vote yes on Prop 23. If you are in favor of keeping California at the forefront of the technological revolution, be sure to vote No on Prop 23.
BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=walterwhite]I got angry at the realtor.
[/quote]Good. Excellent. This is a very healthy way to let off steam.
Someone needs to start a reality show that teaches people how to deal with realtoads. Maybe it could be called The Realtor Whisperer. I suspect there would be lots of stern commands, chain yanking, and nips on the neck needed to keep your average realtor in line. A shock collar may be needed in some extreme cases.
BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=walterwhite]I got angry at the realtor.
[/quote]Good. Excellent. This is a very healthy way to let off steam.
Someone needs to start a reality show that teaches people how to deal with realtoads. Maybe it could be called The Realtor Whisperer. I suspect there would be lots of stern commands, chain yanking, and nips on the neck needed to keep your average realtor in line. A shock collar may be needed in some extreme cases.
BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=walterwhite]I got angry at the realtor.
[/quote]Good. Excellent. This is a very healthy way to let off steam.
Someone needs to start a reality show that teaches people how to deal with realtoads. Maybe it could be called The Realtor Whisperer. I suspect there would be lots of stern commands, chain yanking, and nips on the neck needed to keep your average realtor in line. A shock collar may be needed in some extreme cases.
BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=walterwhite]I got angry at the realtor.
[/quote]Good. Excellent. This is a very healthy way to let off steam.
Someone needs to start a reality show that teaches people how to deal with realtoads. Maybe it could be called The Realtor Whisperer. I suspect there would be lots of stern commands, chain yanking, and nips on the neck needed to keep your average realtor in line. A shock collar may be needed in some extreme cases.
BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=walterwhite]I got angry at the realtor.
[/quote]Good. Excellent. This is a very healthy way to let off steam.
Someone needs to start a reality show that teaches people how to deal with realtoads. Maybe it could be called The Realtor Whisperer. I suspect there would be lots of stern commands, chain yanking, and nips on the neck needed to keep your average realtor in line. A shock collar may be needed in some extreme cases.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantAllow me to tell you a short story that might help. I have a friend from Kyrgzstan. Her parents had done well for themselves and were able to retire fairly early in life.
My friend’s mom kept pestering her husband (friend’s dad) to diversify into real estate. He didn’t want to do that and preferred to keep their money in cash (and maybe stocks? can’t remember) as he liked the liquidity of cash and didn’t want to be tied down to real estate.
Well, as occasionally happens to fiat currencies throughout history, the Kyrgastani fiat became nearly worthless. Suddenly my friend’s parents were close to broke. However, Kyrgastani real estate mostly held it’s value.
As far as I know, my friend’s parents stayed married, but I’m sure there is some lingering resentment.
It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the Fed is trying to destroy the value of the dollar (through QE, low rates, etc.). It’s also obvious that the government is trying furiously to prop up real estate. They may succeed.
So maybe try thinking of your house as an insurance policy should the dollar go to near zero. If the dollar goes to zero, it is truly worthless paper. However, you will always be able to trade your house for something of value.
Also, unlike that jackass realtor, I always find your posts to be entertaining. Please post as much as you like as I’m sure there are many here that enjoy reading them. Everyone has anxiety over real estate as it is by far the biggest purchase you are likely to ever make. It’s better to at least let some of your neuroses out here so that your family doesn’t have to deal with all of it.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantAllow me to tell you a short story that might help. I have a friend from Kyrgzstan. Her parents had done well for themselves and were able to retire fairly early in life.
My friend’s mom kept pestering her husband (friend’s dad) to diversify into real estate. He didn’t want to do that and preferred to keep their money in cash (and maybe stocks? can’t remember) as he liked the liquidity of cash and didn’t want to be tied down to real estate.
Well, as occasionally happens to fiat currencies throughout history, the Kyrgastani fiat became nearly worthless. Suddenly my friend’s parents were close to broke. However, Kyrgastani real estate mostly held it’s value.
As far as I know, my friend’s parents stayed married, but I’m sure there is some lingering resentment.
It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the Fed is trying to destroy the value of the dollar (through QE, low rates, etc.). It’s also obvious that the government is trying furiously to prop up real estate. They may succeed.
So maybe try thinking of your house as an insurance policy should the dollar go to near zero. If the dollar goes to zero, it is truly worthless paper. However, you will always be able to trade your house for something of value.
Also, unlike that jackass realtor, I always find your posts to be entertaining. Please post as much as you like as I’m sure there are many here that enjoy reading them. Everyone has anxiety over real estate as it is by far the biggest purchase you are likely to ever make. It’s better to at least let some of your neuroses out here so that your family doesn’t have to deal with all of it.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantAllow me to tell you a short story that might help. I have a friend from Kyrgzstan. Her parents had done well for themselves and were able to retire fairly early in life.
My friend’s mom kept pestering her husband (friend’s dad) to diversify into real estate. He didn’t want to do that and preferred to keep their money in cash (and maybe stocks? can’t remember) as he liked the liquidity of cash and didn’t want to be tied down to real estate.
Well, as occasionally happens to fiat currencies throughout history, the Kyrgastani fiat became nearly worthless. Suddenly my friend’s parents were close to broke. However, Kyrgastani real estate mostly held it’s value.
As far as I know, my friend’s parents stayed married, but I’m sure there is some lingering resentment.
It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the Fed is trying to destroy the value of the dollar (through QE, low rates, etc.). It’s also obvious that the government is trying furiously to prop up real estate. They may succeed.
So maybe try thinking of your house as an insurance policy should the dollar go to near zero. If the dollar goes to zero, it is truly worthless paper. However, you will always be able to trade your house for something of value.
Also, unlike that jackass realtor, I always find your posts to be entertaining. Please post as much as you like as I’m sure there are many here that enjoy reading them. Everyone has anxiety over real estate as it is by far the biggest purchase you are likely to ever make. It’s better to at least let some of your neuroses out here so that your family doesn’t have to deal with all of it.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantAllow me to tell you a short story that might help. I have a friend from Kyrgzstan. Her parents had done well for themselves and were able to retire fairly early in life.
My friend’s mom kept pestering her husband (friend’s dad) to diversify into real estate. He didn’t want to do that and preferred to keep their money in cash (and maybe stocks? can’t remember) as he liked the liquidity of cash and didn’t want to be tied down to real estate.
Well, as occasionally happens to fiat currencies throughout history, the Kyrgastani fiat became nearly worthless. Suddenly my friend’s parents were close to broke. However, Kyrgastani real estate mostly held it’s value.
As far as I know, my friend’s parents stayed married, but I’m sure there is some lingering resentment.
It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the Fed is trying to destroy the value of the dollar (through QE, low rates, etc.). It’s also obvious that the government is trying furiously to prop up real estate. They may succeed.
So maybe try thinking of your house as an insurance policy should the dollar go to near zero. If the dollar goes to zero, it is truly worthless paper. However, you will always be able to trade your house for something of value.
Also, unlike that jackass realtor, I always find your posts to be entertaining. Please post as much as you like as I’m sure there are many here that enjoy reading them. Everyone has anxiety over real estate as it is by far the biggest purchase you are likely to ever make. It’s better to at least let some of your neuroses out here so that your family doesn’t have to deal with all of it.
BigGovernmentIsGood
ParticipantAllow me to tell you a short story that might help. I have a friend from Kyrgzstan. Her parents had done well for themselves and were able to retire fairly early in life.
My friend’s mom kept pestering her husband (friend’s dad) to diversify into real estate. He didn’t want to do that and preferred to keep their money in cash (and maybe stocks? can’t remember) as he liked the liquidity of cash and didn’t want to be tied down to real estate.
Well, as occasionally happens to fiat currencies throughout history, the Kyrgastani fiat became nearly worthless. Suddenly my friend’s parents were close to broke. However, Kyrgastani real estate mostly held it’s value.
As far as I know, my friend’s parents stayed married, but I’m sure there is some lingering resentment.
It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the Fed is trying to destroy the value of the dollar (through QE, low rates, etc.). It’s also obvious that the government is trying furiously to prop up real estate. They may succeed.
So maybe try thinking of your house as an insurance policy should the dollar go to near zero. If the dollar goes to zero, it is truly worthless paper. However, you will always be able to trade your house for something of value.
Also, unlike that jackass realtor, I always find your posts to be entertaining. Please post as much as you like as I’m sure there are many here that enjoy reading them. Everyone has anxiety over real estate as it is by far the biggest purchase you are likely to ever make. It’s better to at least let some of your neuroses out here so that your family doesn’t have to deal with all of it.
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